American Politics Thread

[RileyXY1]

As much as it's exciting news that Dems will hold the Senate it is almost guaranteed that they will lose it in 2024 considering what seats will be up that year.

 

[Volphied]

As much as it's exciting news that Dems will hold the Senate it is almost guaranteed that they will lose it in 2024 considering what seats will be up that year.

People were saying that Dems are guaranteed to lose the Senate in 2022. Let's wait and see if the GOP in 2024 repeats their mistakes and nominates a bunch of unelectable nutjobs for a second time.

The GOP seems to be in a state of meltdown right now. I don't see it improving any time soon for them.

 

[Volphied]

Oh my... I had no idea Mr. "Abortion should be banned" is such a big fan of abortions.

 

[RileyXY1]

People were saying that Dems are guaranteed to lose the Senate in 2022. Let's wait and see if the GOP in 2024 repeats their mistakes and nominates a bunch of unelectable nutjobs for a second time.

The GOP seems to be in a state of meltdown right now. I don't see it improving any time soon for them.

You just need to look at the Senate map in 2024 to see that Dems are screwed. The states that the GOP will be defending are: Indiana, Missouri, Florida, Texas, Nebraska, Tennessee, Mississippi, Wyoming, North Dakota, and Utah. All of these states are very GOP friendly. The Dems are defending a lot of red and swing seats, including West Virginia, Montana, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Nevada, and Arizona.

 

[Volphied]

You just need to look at the Senate map in 2024 to see that Dems are screwed. The states that the GOP will be defending are: Indiana, Missouri, Florida, Texas, Nebraska, Tennessee, Mississippi, Wyoming, North Dakota, and Utah. All of these states are very GOP friendly. The Dems are defending a lot of red and swing seats, including West Virginia, Montana, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Nevada, and Arizona.

My man, it's way too early to start worrying about 2024, so for now lets instead savor Dem's current victory against election deniers and MAGA chuds. The GOP will be in utter disarray for as long as Trump is sabotaging them in his narcissistic rage.

I mean, look at this hilarious shit.

 

[Big Lutz]

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The actual numbers are still 44/42. No matter how much you play with error margins to make it appear more favorable to you. Your "Poling 101" already made you wrongfully believe that the GOP will pick up to 3 or 4 seats in the Senate.

The polling was wrong but it is a fallacy to believe all polling is wrong just because it was wrong this cycle.

But hey, this whole argument started out that a two point difference with independents on a issue that does not really matter to the public was going to, lead to GOP failure in 2024 if I believe I am getting your argument correct.

Again, MAGA chuds are loyal only to Trump.

And you base this on…

I linked an article in my previous comment listing his policy wins. I'll link it a second time just for you. Looking forward to you completely ignoring it a second time.

The only noticeable achievement I can see there is the woefully named “Inflation reduction act” which ended up doing little to fix the problem.

Inflation Reduction Act may have little impact on inflation

With inflation raging near its highest level in four decades, President Joe Biden on Tuesday signed into law his landmark Inflation Reduction Act.

apnews.com

So what exactly are his wins? The inflation “non” reduction act and… a semiconductor bill? Is that it? Really?

Wishful thinking, courtesy of Fox News.

We shall see, the facts remain the charity is in trouble.

 

[zoroarctic]

This was a heartwarming thread.

 

[Volphied]

The polling was wrong but it is a fallacy to believe all polling is wrong just because it was wrong this cycle.

Man, you're really setting up yourself for future disappointment by sticking to Karl Rove's math.

The only noticeable achievement I can see there is the woefully named “Inflation reduction act” which ended up doing little to fix the problem.

So what exactly are his wins? The inflation “non” reduction act and… a semiconductor bill? Is that it? Really?

Right, we already determined that you mistakenly think student loan forgiveness is something everyone will forget about, despite the fact that student debts are a very real thing that are having a serious effect on the livelihood of many, many Americans, and thus not something they can just forget about. It seems to me that your main issue is that you look at Biden's policy wins only from your POV, trying to find what you get from them personally. You don't feel like you're personally getting anything from Biden's major tax, health care and climate change bills, so you pretend that Biden did absolutely nothing. Once again, you're setting up yourself for another nasty surprise when people will rush to vote for Biden and Dems.

We shall see, the facts remain the charity is in trouble.

Nobody cares outside of Fox News.

 

[Big Lutz]

Man, you're really setting up yourself for future disappointment by sticking to Karl Rove's math.

We shall see

Right, we already determined that you mistakenly think student loan forgiveness is something everyone will forget about, despite the fact that student debts are a very real thing that are having a serious effect on the livelihood of many, many Americans, and thus not something they can just forget about. It seems to me that your main issue is that you look at Biden's policy wins only from your POV, trying to find what you get from them personally. You don't feel like you're personally getting anything from Biden's major tax, health care and climate change bills, so you pretend that Biden did absolutely nothing. Once again, you're setting up yourself for another nasty surprise when people will rush to vote for Biden and Dems.

On the contrary I could have benefited quite well from the 10,000 student loan forgiveness. The thing is, it is never going to materialize so I never even had an opportunity to think of the savings. I knew from the start it was blatantly unconstitutional and it would be struck down by the courts and that is what happened.

You know what also affects me and everyone else? Rising prices from inflation, something that Biden’s bill did not do anything about.

Nobody cares outside of Fox News.

I hope Warnock does not take that attitude when subpoenas from the Secretary of State begin to go out.

This was a heartwarming thread.

Don’t forget that conservatives did pretty well on the local school board level this year running against things like CRT and sexual books at schools.

Parents, experts see 'red undercurrent' from midterms in school board races: 'Parents are fired up' | Fox News

Pro-parent school board candidates won races around the country in Tuesday's midterm election, and experts predicted some parents would see improvement in their children's education.

www.foxnews.com

 

[ShieldFan]

Biden said during a press conference on Wednesday that he can't "guarantee" his administration will be able to get rid of the country's inflation issue. Across every state in the country, families are paying more for just about everything because of skyrocketing inflation, which was caused by Joe Biden and House Democrats’ reckless spending and stupid Far Left agenda.

 

[Volphied]

We shall see

lmao. I should get a penny everytime you say this.

On the contrary I could have benefited quite well from the 10,000 student loan forgiveness. The thing is, it is never going to materialize so I never even had an opportunity to think of the savings. I knew from the start it was blatantly unconstitutional and it would be struck down by the courts and that is what happened.

Dude, it's only been temporarily halted.

You know what also affects me and everyone else? Rising prices from inflation, something that Biden’s bill did not do anything about.

We shall see.

I hope Warnock does not take that attitude when subpoenas from the Secretary of State begin to go out.

Once again, you're setting yourself up for a disappointment.

things like CRT and sexual books at schools.

Two boogeymans and a Fox News link. Discarded.

Joe Biden and House Democrats’ reckless spending and stupid Far Left agenda.

It will never stop being hilarious when I see folks calling a centrist like Biden "far left". Just the utter abyss that is discourse on the political right.

 

[Big Lutz]

Dude, it's only been temporarily halted.

Seventh circuit is unlikely to reinstate it, and the Supreme Court is going to rule it as unconstitutional. That is why the Biden Administration has already stopped taking submissions, all that is left is a half hearted fight with the seventh circuit

.Once again, you're setting yourself up for a disappointment.

So you are saying the Secretary of State is not looking at issuing subpoenas on the Ebenezer Building Foundation?

Two boogeymans and a Fox News link. Discarded.

When in doubt attack the source.

It will never stop being hilarious when I see folks calling a centrist like Biden "far left". Just the utter abyss that is discourse on the political right.

Biden campaigned as a moderate, governed from the far left, that is why he had so much trouble fighting with centrists in his own party like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema

 

[Volphied]

Seventh circuit is unlikely to reinstate it, and the Supreme Court is going to rule it as unconstitutional. That is why the Biden Administration has already stopped taking submissions, all that is left is a half hearted fight with the seventh circuit

We shall see.

So you are saying the Secretary of State is not looking at issuing subpoenas?

I'm saying you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think this will stop him from winning the race.

When in doubt attack the source.

Yawn, I don't care about Fox News shrieking about the CRT/"sex books" boogeyman. Get some new material.

Biden campaigned as a moderate, governed from the far left,

As an Eastern European, I'm telling you that Biden is the farthest thing from a far left politician.

 

[Big Lutz]

I'm saying you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think this will stop him from winning the race.

Depends on how far this story goes, we have a month to go, it may be nothing, it may dominate the month with talk about how Warkock was a slumlord.

Yawn, I don't care about Fox News shrieking about the CRT/"sex books" boogeyman. Get some new material.

Except they weren’t, the article was discussing how those issues were winners on election night for local school boards.

As an Eastern European, I'm telling you that Biden is the farthest thing from a far left politician.

That is nice, we are talking about American politics so the Overton window should be moved to reflect such.

 

[RileyXY1]

Except they weren’t, the article was discussing how those issues were winners on election night for local school boards.

And such issues are greatly contributing to Virginia's massive rightward shift.

 

[lisianthus]

Don’t forget that conservatives did pretty well on the local school board level this year running against things like CRT and sexual books at schools.

Parents, experts see 'red undercurrent' from midterms in school board races: 'Parents are fired up' | Fox News

Pro-parent school board candidates won races around the country in Tuesday's midterm election, and experts predicted some parents would see improvement in their children's education.

www.foxnews.com

something I would like to point out is that many of those books that are being banned and contested are largely biased against a marginalized group of people, which wouldn't necessarily sit right with... the vast majority of those who have more open ideals. it would be appreciated if it wasn't whitewashed, kind of, as 'sexual books at schools', because well... i mean, that's kind of dodging the nuances of said books. especially because iirc, a lot of this is happening at a high school level, and if you've been in a high school ecosystem in the past 30+ (probably more) years, i think you'd know that sexual discussion would happen no matter what, and banning things isn't going to help necessarily. freedom of knowledge is a very valuable thing.

like... it's not like there's a book chronicling sex positions that's going viral and being handed to kindergartners or anything. that's incredibly ludicrous. but that sort of thing (which i am exaggerating) is the rhetoric being given, and it's absolutely being used to hurt people, especially young people in schools. the exact opposite of freedom. pretty lame, right?

i hope that this didn't come across as attacking or anything. i'm not likely to engage in anything here, but i just wanted to point that out. thank you.

 

[Big Lutz]

something I would like to point out is that many of those books that are being banned and contested are largely biased against a marginalized group of people, which wouldn't necessarily sit right with... the vast majority of those who have more open ideals. it would be appreciated if it wasn't whitewashed, kind of, as 'sexual books at schools', because well... i mean, that's kind of dodging the nuances of said books. especially because iirc, a lot of this is happening at a high school level, and if you've been in a high school ecosystem in the past 30+ (probably more) years, i think you'd know that sexual discussion would happen no matter what, and banning things isn't going to help necessarily. freedom of knowledge is a very valuable thing.

like... it's not like there's a book chronicling sex positions that's going viral and being handed to kindergartners or anything. that's incredibly ludicrous. but that sort of thing (which i am exaggerating) is the rhetoric being given, and it's absolutely being used to hurt people, especially young people in schools. the exact opposite of freedom. pretty lame, right?

i hope that this didn't come across as attacking or anything. i'm not likely to engage in anything here, but i just wanted to point that out. thank you.

I understand completely what you are saying, and I am only familiar with a few of the books, but atleast in my opinion and the opinion of many others books that involve pedophilia, sexual positions, and sexual activities, especially graphic drawings of them are not suitable for junior high school or really even high school when the age of first year students can be as young as 14.

It’s ironic that some of the parents come to the school boards and read passages from these books at the school board meetings and are immediately quieted because the words are not appropriate.

If kids want to read them, they can buy them off Amazon or a bookstore with parental consent

 

[Volphied]

Depends on how far this story goes, we have a month to go, it may be nothing, it may dominate the month with talk about how Warkock was a slumlord.

We shall see.

Except they weren’t, the article was discussing how those issues were winners on election night for local school boards.

Is that so? Then perhaps Schweikert and Lake should have screamed louder about CRT/"sex books".

That is nice, we are talking about American politics so the Overton window should be moved to reflect such.

That is nice, but "far left" has a precise meaning, and just because Fox News doesn't know what it means, doesn't mean that we should also misuse it.

 

[Big Lutz]

Is that so? Then perhaps Schweikert and Lake should have screamed louder about CRT/"sex books".

Or there were different issues people voted for as opposed to when they voted for their school board.

That is nice, but "far left" has a precise meaning, and just because Fox News doesn't know what it means, doesn't mean that we should also misuse it.

Really? It has a precise meaning? What exactly is that precise meaning? Please provide it, so we know the exact precise meaning. Provide sources too please.

 

[Volphied]

Or there were different issues people voted for as opposed to when they voted for their school board.

Nah, CRT and "sex books" are imaginary issues.

Really? It has a precise meaning? What exactly is that precise meaning? Please provide it, so we know the exact precise meaning. Provide sources too please.

Political spectrum

Political spectrums are heuristic representations of different political ideologies and how they relate to one another. It can function as a useful tool for understanding how different ideas, parties and people compare and differ but, like all heuristics, it is an over-simplification and one...

rationalwiki.org

The term far left is a label used for political movements, parties, and organizations that champion the abolition of private property and "equality of conditions", i.e., recognize the differences in ability and need of individuals but do not allow these differences to be turned into power. Most of these movements fall under the label of either communist (for which there are an absurd number of "subdivisions"), left-wing anarchist, or sometimes (though somewhat rarely today) socialist. Hard greens may be labeled far-left. If you hear it in American politics, bear in mind that it could be just being used as a snarl word to describe any liberal or at least any liberal who doesn't kowtow to mainstream consensus politics in Washington.