Gary, one of the most talking players ever?

[ManUtd22]

Why I always laugh when Gary Lose?

Sure, I always love to see Gary lose; and that's because he always make fun of Ash, and then Ash reach more than him in the Pokemon League. When Ash lost in the Pokemon League, he reached to the 16 top players, and lost be luck. However, Gary lost in the final round of the in Rock Round.

Gary, made fun of Ash, when Azurill, and Meganium made fun of bulbasur, and scuirtlle by saying that this always happen to someone cannot control his pokemon.

When he fighted the Team Glactic, he didn't do anything, however Ash beat the entire Team Glactic; so who is the loser Mister Rei Rei Shigeru, Ganbare Ganbare Shigeru. But he was lucky to have these Beautiful Girls, they really link "Queens in the term of Worldest Beautiful Girls".

 

[SinnohEevee]

I prefer Gary over Paul.

Plus, DP Gary is morrsture than OS Gary.

 

[marshiyanmisuta]

He sucks.

 

[Lyrebird]

Gary is a player.

 

[ManUtd22]

He sucks.

very suck

 

[henrymidfields]

It would have been a lot more interesting if there had been a couple of cases where a high-ranked official/veteran/gym leader actually berated Gary. Or if his sister was there to discipline him or otherwise had a less-than-ideal familial relationship.

I've actually come up with my own answer in why Gary didn't get the Saffron City badge for my proposed revision of the anime - Sabrina's other Gym managers were unimpressed by Gary's overconfidence and arrogance, and decided to not hold their Pokémon back (where otherwise standard procedure as badge examiners) to teach Gary a lesson. (See my page here.)

 

[Lyrebird]

It would have been a lot more interesting if there had been a couple of cases where a high-ranked official/veteran/gym leader actually berated Gary. Or if his sister was there to discipline him or otherwise had a less-than-ideal familial relationship.

That's not fun or interesting. That seems a total cop out. Athletes are cocky. Look at Russell Westbrook, Fernando Alonso, Usain Bolt, and Serena Williams. I see that if you're not arrogant or cocky. You're gonna get eaten alive. Even in life if you don't have arrogance in your own abilities, you're not going to succeed.

 

[henrymidfields]

That's not fun or interesting. That seems a total cop out. Athletes are cocky. Look at Russell Westbrook, Fernando Alonso, Usain Bolt, and Serena Williams. I see that if you're not arrogant or cocky. You're gonna get eaten alive. Even in life if you don't have arrogance in your own abilities, you're not going to succeed.

I'm sure there's a difference in cockiness and confidence... The examples you give me sound more like confident athletes, maybe some are cocky too, but not necessarily all of them. But whatever. Troll as much as you like.

 

[SinnohEevee]

Why that hate for Gary? At least he matured and became friends with Ash. He's much better than Paul.

 

[Lyrebird]

I'm sure there's a difference in cockiness and confidence... The examples you give me sound more like confident athletes, maybe some are cocky too, but not necessarily all of them. But whatever. Troll as much as you like.

Have you seen Russell Westbrook, Serena Williams, Novak Djokovic, Fernando Alonso, Virat Kohli, Tom Brady, and so on? Athletes are cocky and arrogant otherwise you have no chance getting to the elite level at all. And basically being a Pokemon trainer means you're effectively an athlete and if you're meek then there's no competitive drive or trust in your own abilities.

Gary is cocky and arrogant and so is Ash and that's fine. It just seems like such a cop out to have him scolded because he's cocky and arrogant. It is like saying that you shouldn't think you're good enough and that's a mental loss that leads to the loss in the game.

The fact that you basically called me a troll isn't probably the best idea. For one because that shows you couldn't accept another point of view which is very narrow and also my position as well. If you disagree that's fine.

Don't call people trolls or saying that they are trolling. It is basically F&B.

 

[ii kanji]

Even in life if you don't have arrogance in your own abilities, you're not going to succeed.

That's an absolute fallacy. I'm in a highly competitive and specialised field where very successful people fall into the full spectrum of so-far-up-their-own-arse-that-they've-come-out-of-the-other-end and self-confidence-of-0. Neither extreme is good, but in my experience arrogance leads only to an inevitable fall from grace.

I don't see why Pokemon training would be any different. In fact, both Shigeru and Shinji are examples of this.

Gary is cocky and arrogant and so is Ash and that's fine.

Satoshi hasn't been really conceited since the original series. Confident, sure, but as @henrymidfields put it, that's not the same thing. He has also been brought down every time that turns into over-confidence.

also my position as well.

If you think someone's flaming you, well... I'm not going to tell you your own job. But flaunting your "power" as an informal threat does not make you come across well.

 

[Lyrebird]

That's an absolute fallacy. I'm in a highly competitive and specialised field where very successful people fall into the full spectrum of so-far-up-their-own-arse-that-they've-come-out-of-the-other-end and self-confidence-of-0. Neither extreme is good, but in my experience arrogance leads only to an inevitable fall from grace.

I don't see why Pokemon training would be any different. In fact, both Shigeru and Shinji are examples of this.

Satoshi hasn't been really conceited since the original series. Confident, sure, but as @henrymidfields put it, that's not the same thing. He has also been brought down every time that turns into over-confidence.

We all know that extreme arrogance is bad, that's no disagreement but Gary is not even close to do that at all. None of my examples have extreme arrogance otherwise they wouldn't be that far and success. However extreme meekiness is also is bad. Gary as I just said is not extremely arrogant. He probably comes off as that because of the vanillaism that the other characters have. I mean if you look at professional sports, you don't get that massive comparison because no one is vanilla.

I'm also in a very competitive field too and you can't afford to have some arrogance otherwise you're going to be eaten alive and trampled on or not even get through interviews. You need that cockiness, swagger but you need it in check. So I get what you're saying but as I said Gary isn't extreme arrogance and I wasn't talking in extremes either. I've played some in high level and you need to be arrogant because it is so difficult to try to survive.

So I agree it is a fallacy if you're talking in extremes but life is rarely in extremes

 

[ii kanji]

I'm afraid I think arrogance is an extreme in and of itself, and always a character flaw. So we must agree to disagree.

 

[Lyrebird]

I'm afraid I think arrogance is an extreme in and of itself, and always a character flaw. So we must agree to disagree.

Well yeah but there are degrees. I feel anything is a personality flaw in extremes but arrogance isn't a bad thing itself. You can have it and it will be fine. Just if you reach a certain threshold (which Gary hasn't) then you have problems.