Artichoker
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o mai gad... now Kibago doesn't have a reason to evolve XD
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Something that never made sense to me about the power and strength of Dragon-type Pokemon is how exactly are they so young?
I mean the Kairyu back in Jouto supposedly outlived his trainer, if that is the case why was it so resilient and youthful? It was as fit as a young one and pretty much evened out with Lizardon. Whereas elderly Pokemon like Pikachu and Kenji's Strike in the past have shown that age hinders their bodies and the things they can do. Why was that Kairyu which outlived its owner not elder and crotchety in battle? Not to mention the woman who helped teach Fukamaru Meteoric Swarm, her Altaria didn't seem old at all but she was. Neither did Drake Dragons seem old or tired out either, but then again he's a member of the Elite Four.
Part me is wondering if this Kairyu is an elderly one as well.
Exactly how does Axew not have a reason to evolve now?o mai gad... now Kibago doesn't have a reason to evolve XD
Exactly how does Axew not have a reason to evolve now?
With Iris having a Dragonite now, not only does this make her more of a threat but her Dragon Master Goal is pretty much finished. Why train Axew if she already has a powerhouse right?
What had potential to be a great Season is turning out to be one of the worst and these episodes haven't even aired yet -_-
It is true that Dragonite will surely become a powerhouse in Iris' team, but I really don't see how that will stop her from training Axew. If I recall correctly, both Iris and the village elder did state that Iris' goal during this whole journey of hers was indeed to actually train and evolve Axew, making it stronger, and at the same time growing up and mature alongside with it. We all know how weak Axew currently is, considering Iris hasn't done that much, but as Season 2 started it did seem like she started to take its training more seriously, challenging Cynthia of all people, as well as putting up against Excadrill in a sparring match. The Dragon Master goal is just something that Iris is hoping to achieve too while she's training Axew, but having Axew evolve is definitely something I'd say takes priority. I don't think she'll quit training Axew just because she catches Dragonite. Sure, I could see it not evolving until the very end of the series, but I still don't think that she'll drop all her training with Axew just because of Dragonite, as her goal of evolving Axew still won't be completed.
It is true that Dragonite will surely become a powerhouse in Iris' team, but I really don't see how that will stop her from training Axew. If I recall correctly, both Iris and the village elder did state that Iris' goal during this whole journey of hers was indeed to actually train and evolve Axew, making it stronger, and at the same time growing up and mature alongside with it. We all know how weak Axew currently is, considering Iris hasn't done that much, but as Season 2 started it did seem like she started to take its training more seriously, challenging Cynthia of all people, as well as putting up against Excadrill in a sparring match. The Dragon Master goal is just something that Iris is hoping to achieve too while she's training Axew, but having Axew evolve is definitely something I'd say takes priority. I don't think she'll quit training Axew just because she catches Dragonite. Sure, I could see it not evolving until the very end of the series, but I still don't think that she'll drop all her training with Axew just because of Dragonite, as her goal of evolving Axew still won't be completed.
Hopefully, Axew's lack of training is a plot point. With a good/decent payoff.
It is true that Dragonite will surely become a powerhouse in Iris' team, but I really don't see how that will stop her from training Axew. If I recall correctly, both Iris and the village elder did state that Iris' goal during this whole journey of hers was indeed to actually train and evolve Axew, making it stronger, and at the same time growing up and mature alongside with it. We all know how weak Axew currently is, considering Iris hasn't done that much, but as Season 2 started it did seem like she started to take its training more seriously, challenging Cynthia of all people, as well as putting up against Excadrill in a sparring match. The Dragon Master goal is just something that Iris is hoping to achieve too while she's training Axew, but having Axew evolve is definitely something I'd say takes priority. I don't think she'll quit training Axew just because she catches Dragonite. Sure, I could see it not evolving until the very end of the series, but I still don't think that she'll drop all her training with Axew just because of Dragonite, as her goal of evolving Axew still won't be completed.
Precisely. They haven't even aired yet. And still we're making rather stupid conclusions of how it all is going to play out, without even knowing anything yet. Speculating is fine, but without even having the details yet I must say that making such harsh judgements already is kinda unfair, but that's just my opinion.
Well no, I didn't mean it like that actually since Ash never stopped training his other pokes after he got Charizard. But if Iris really was that concerned with training Axew still then why enter this competition with Dragonite? It appears to me she's biting off more than she can chew here. If she battles it and captures it fairly then I guess there is nothing wrong with that. It's not against the rules, you are allowed to catch pokemon on this show; however, in terms of the writing, this just gives Iris a boost of power that REALLY N TRULY was not needed.
Have you seen the way Axew has been handled already, not to mention the poor squirrel? How will catching a stage 3 Dragon help them out in any way, when clearly, it needs help itself. Axew could very well be fully evolved by the end of the show, but will it mean much? At least not to me, because it has been handled so horribly. If we go by what we've seen as a whole, not just the past 3 episodes, Axew is a strong, baby pokemon with little training. So yes, if by training you mean have it get a few battles where it totally thrashes its opponents because the writers want it that way, then fine.
I don't think it's unfair at all actually. Believe it or not as I said before on other threads I like Iris. I like her design, her personality, how she interacts with some other characters. But I've admitted to hating her battle style and training techniques or better yet lack-there-of. On the battle field she scares me shitless, while off I'm pretty ok with her; and as a fan of a character, you should be allowed to acknowledge their good points AND call them out on their bull shit when necessary.
If a student wants a straight A's they have to study hard for them; if a basketball team wants a ring they have to play their asses off; if a singer wants a recording contract they have to get their name out there; and if a character wants to become a "dragon master" they actually have to train and put in countless amounts of energy to raise dragons and get to know all about them.
Iris apparently seems to know all about Dragon Types, and while Axew can very well still evolve it will most likely remain a hairpiece now due to promotion and because Iris just caught a stage 3 dragon which she can focus on and now enter into tournaments.
If Iris and Drayden do ever face off in this Cup, you gotta admit that giving her a Dragonite just made her chances a little bit better for a fairer fight. And the fact that she got it an episode prior and is entering it, when it really should be Axew is completely unfair.
Wait... I don't get what you want to say. Iris is facing Langley, a person who previously beat Iris' Axew badly, as Axew wasn't even close in making a single scratch on her Beartic, so why would she know, when she definitely hasn't performed that much serious training with Axew since that battle, use Axew now as the result would surely be the same? I doubt that Iris using Axew against Langley would have any bigger impact, as Langley herself did state that she didn't want to face ''weak'' Dragon-types, and then asked Iris if she had any stronger Dragon-type. Langley mocked Iris, so why would she not do the same thing now? Iris might've considered to use Excadrill, or maybe even Axew (even if it would've been stupid against her Beartic), but then, if I know Langley correctly, she could've mocked Iris in asking ''is that really all you got? You still don't have a powerful Dragon-type? Sheesh, what a Dragon Master you are'', which definitely would intimidate Iris and might just force her to use Dragonite.
Now, I'm not saying that it is alright for in getting one just before the competition, because I still don't like it, but what I'm saying is that it doesn't really feel to weird in using it against Langley out of all people. Just because she's using Dragonite in the first round doesn't mean that she'll use it in all the other rounds (if she advance). Axew's time of shining will surely come later on.
Uhm... What? I really don't see your point in this. I'm not protecting the fact that Iris is getting a Dragonite, all I'm saying is that I don't believe that Iris' training with Axew will stop because of her catching it. And yes, I'm very well aware of the poor training Axew got in Season 1, that's exactly why I'm glad that she has finally begun taking it more seriously in Season 2, battling Cynthia and putting it in a sparring match against Excadrill. To me, that hints to a brighter future for Axew, as Iris might finally start to take it's training more seriously, right? And if there's anything good that Dragonite actually can come with it is for him to take on the role as some kind of big brother for Axew, helping it develop into becoming a better battler, etc.
''call them out on their bull shit when necessary''? Well, when is it necessary? I mean, we still don't have any details, therefore we still hardly know anything about the capture and her use of it, right? I mean, I did the same thing. I went berserk when I first found out about this, as the same shit with Dawn once again was repeated, but then I realized that I was being kinda unfair. I mean, I made up silly conclusions on how Iris' future would all play out with this idiotic capture of Dragonite, and I did it without even knowing a thing about its capture, its attitude towards Iris, the relationship between the two once she catches it, or the battle itself that it will be battling in. I didn't know a thing about it yet, and yet I was talking so much shit about Iris and Dragonite, and I thought I was wrong in doing that. If it will actually prove to be all shitty and horrible writing, then I'd definitely be okay with bashing it, but I'd prefer to not do to it until I've gotten some more information about the case. Of course, you're free to do whatever you want, but I still feel it's unfair.
Exactly. That's why I think catching Dragonite still is shitty writing, but I'll wait with my judgement until I've actually seen the capture, as it could become a whole lot more complicated than what it seems like.
Okay.
I still wouldn't take such conclusions without even knowing anything yet, but your choice.
That's exactly why I thought it was a bad move to make. But I still think Iris will get his time to shine in the tournament, as there surely will be more than one round if she advances.
Lol. Do you know how long this fanbase has been waiting for Axew to get some proper development? It's just way too overpowered as a baby, and by throwing Dragonite into the picture, it gives the writers an even bigger excuse to make it look powerful, because anything realistic has already been thrown out the window and this dragonite will clearly steal some screentime like Togekiss did being given so last minute for a big tournament.
Just think, if Dragonite wasn't here, Iris would have no choice BUT to use Axew. It's just like when Ash faced Casey with his Charizard back in Johto. Who knows what would have happened had Ash not had his Kanto pokes with him, but even so Casey rightfully loss, and later on what happens, she ended up raising her Chikorita to a Meganium. Not catching a Venesaur to finish collecting her badges.
Those couple of seconds of Excadrill and Axew in BW episode 2 didn't really mean much, well at least to me. But because Axew has so little training, all I could do was take it and run with it. Wouldn't be surprised if others felt similarly. The episodes don't lie; Axew was in Iris' hair more than at her arsenal, and that's a problem.
Critiquing and bashing are two totally different hings. Trip I can easily bash, his whole character is cheap. Iris's battling skills, battles, and character development I can. Otherwise, I like the girl. I see nothing unfair with stating my opinion on how her character SHOULD NOT be ruined but is.
I'm just speculating. That's allowed right?
Again, I'm speculating. Although from what I can tell, I believe that no matter how the episode plays out. If this is/was a female Dragonite who was giving birth to a baby Dratini and after Iris bonds with it catches that Dratini for safety and protection, despite doing little with the one dragon type she had already Axew would be better writing. This is much better than getting a stage 3 level Dragon.
Did Misty do that with Politoad? Did May do that with Venesaur?
Did Dawn do that with Mamoswine? Togekiss yeah, but Dragonite is worse to me, especially if Iris dominates in the Cup with it.
The difference here with the Togekiss case is that when Dawn got Togekiss, it was before Grand Festival, a huge tournament that would help Dawn fulfill her dream if she would win it. This tournament though, really won't help Iris in getting closer to her goal at all. There's really no reason for her to win it at all, and I really don't see it happening. So, I'm still sure this tournament only exists for the sake of Trip and Ash's rivalry. It'd be way more worse if she received Dragonite before a Dragon Tournament, as that would be a tournament that was actually meant for Dragon-type trainers.
Why must this be Iris's time to shine. She really should stay away from all tournaments from now on I think. Unless the writers decide to revamp her whole team. Keeping in mind that I still like Iris to an extent. If the writers wanted to keep her, I don't see them giving her a fresh start in any way:
AND call them out on their bull shit when necessary.
And here, it is definitely necessary.
Oh, nonsense. It would be unwise for nobody involved with one of the biggest franchises in the world to be completely unaware of major social responses to their products. Its kind of pointless to claim that they don't know anything about what goes on here without concrete evidence.
Oh, nonsense. It would be unwise for nobody involved with one of the biggest franchises in the world to be completely unaware of major social responses to their products. Its kind of pointless to claim that they don't know anything about what goes on here without concrete evidence.
Oh, nonsense. It would be unwise for nobody involved with one of the biggest franchises in the world to be completely unaware of absolutely trival social responses by a few dozen people completely outside the target audience to their glorified advertising. Its kind of a very, very, very unlikely idea to claim that they do know anything about what goes on here without concrete evidence.
That's what an international branch is for, to bridge the gap and relay sales, ratings, and yes, comments, questions, etc
Lets hope they actually do become aware of most of the reception to this whole Dragonite thing or even better, have a surprise already in store to turn things around for Iris.
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