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Generation IV Remake Speculation

Will there be remakes in Gen VIII?


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Thus far the only two changes I could think of, in order from least to greatest in terms of desirability, is improving somewhat on the Galactic arc and doing a role swap with Barry and Lucas/Dawn (i.e.: make Barry the secondary rival and the opposite gender character the primary). There are quite a few reasons why I'd like the latter to happen so I won't put them all into this post (I'll probably do another one that goes into detail). That being said, I think the most understandable is it will create a balance between gens that had a unique character as your rival and ones where you fight whatever player character you haven't chosen. As stated above there were many more reasons behind this but I couldn't put them in this post or else I would be here for a while, bye!

I do think Lucas/Dawn need a bigger role in the game, but I don't think they should be the primary rivals. Barry is much more competitive than Lucas/Dawn, so he makes a fitting rival, whereas Lucas/Dawn are more like Brendan/May in that they have more interest in the Pokedex than they do battling.
 
Thus far the only two changes I could think of, in order from least to greatest in terms of desirability, is improving somewhat on the Galactic arc and doing a role swap with Barry and Lucas/Dawn (i.e.: make Barry the secondary rival and the opposite gender character the primary). There are quite a few reasons why I'd like the latter to happen so I won't put them all into this post (I'll probably do another one that goes into detail). That being said, I think the most understandable is it will create a balance between gens that had a unique character as your rival and ones where you fight whatever player character you haven't chosen. As stated above there were many more reasons behind this but I couldn't put them in this post or else I would be here for a while, bye!

I do think Lucas/Dawn need a bigger role in the game, but I don't think they should be the primary rivals. Barry is much more competitive than Lucas/Dawn, so he makes a fitting rival, whereas Lucas/Dawn are more like Brendan/May in that they have more interest in the Pokedex than they do battling.
Like I said, there were more reasons why I wanted this to happen but couldn't fit them all into one post. But I'll add another anyway to clarify: the other primary reason why I would like this to happen, based on both public opinion and my personal experience, is that Barry just isn't a believable rival compared to his counterparts from other generations (Namely Blue, Silver, Cheren, and Hugh). I never took him as a threat and he was just annoying. In addition, there wasn't really anything interesting or memorable about him, with the small exception that his father is a frontier brain. If it wasn't for his team, I never would have considered him a rival. Also, in Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald and X and Y, both games in which the opposite player character is your rival, neither of them are exactly competitive, but compared to Wally and Shauna, they were still believable. The same can be said when comparing Lucas or Dawn to Barry: they seem more like the person (appearance-wise) that I could take seriously as a rival. Lastly, Not all competitive characters have played the role of main rival. In Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, Wally was far more competitive than Brendan/May. But because he didn't appear that much like a threat, he filled the niche of secondary rival. I can see the same thing happening with Barry.

But I'm not disrespecting your opinion at all, I believe that pokemon games in general, not just Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, should give more bigger roles to to whatever player character you're not playing as. I also can easily understand where you're coming from in your argument: usually the competitive characters do end up being the primary rivals. And I'm not suggesting Barry should be removed from the rival equation entirely. Instead, I'm suggesting that he be moved to the other end of the spectrum: becoming the secondary rival and thus having whatever pokemon is weak against you. As for his role in the story, I think he should still be as important to it as he was in the original games but also increase the importance of the opposite protagonist, him/her being your rival and all. Maybe a good idea for their involvement in the Galactic arc is having double battles with each of them towards the climax, more specifically, perhaps, would be having the same on you have with Barry against Mars and Jupiter and one with Lucas/Dawn against Cyrus and maybe Saturn, what with him being Cyrus' de-facto second in command and all.

Please remember that these were just two of the reasons behind this and I plan to do a whole post about it soon. Heck, I might end up writing an essay about it. I'll be sure to put up the link here as soon as possible. Thank you for offering your feedback and respecting my opinion.
 
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-Color Screen Poketch. If they can't do that at least, I dunno if it would be bearable to use.
-More Distortion World. Have it as some sort of recurring dungeon, advancing the plot when needed.
-Or better yet, introduce a Spacial Plane and a Time Rift or something. Having dimensions for each of the 3 would be much better then 1 funky world and 2 portals.
-Flesh out the companions. It was the best thing about gen 4, and I really wish they would have something like em again.


Otherwise, that's really it. Out of all the Pokemon games, Sinnoh has by far the most balanced region, with a story that doesn't suck. The only other thing I can think of right now is making the character clothing less bubbly, like Lucas' ridiculous(but awesome!)Platinum jacket.
 
I want all the escort trainers (Cheryl, Riley, Marley, Mira and Buck) to have bigger roles. Not sure what, though.

Yeah, I felt like they were just there during D/P/Pt and they should like help you take down Galactic and stuff.

I want to see more emphasis on the "Fight Island" as I call it and do some more post-story events. I mean, the one with the Magma Stone is fun and all, but we need more things like that on the island to make it worth exploring more. The Fight Area and Stark Mountain are the only places I remember (and Buck's fight club at the Survival Area, which was fun).
 
-Color Screen Poketch. If they can't do that at least, I dunno if it would be bearable to use.
-More Distortion World. Have it as some sort of recurring dungeon, advancing the plot when needed.
-Or better yet, introduce a Spacial Plane and a Time Rift or something. Having dimensions for each of the 3 would be much better then 1 funky world and 2 portals.
-Flesh out the companions. It was the best thing about gen 4, and I really wish they would have something like em again.


Otherwise, that's really it. Out of all the Pokemon games, Sinnoh has by far the most balanced region, with a story that doesn't suck. The only other thing I can think of right now is making the character clothing less bubbly, like Lucas' ridiculous(but awesome!)Platinum jacket.

These are all good suggestions, here's mine:

-Expand the Sinnoh Dex a bit more to add more Dragons and maybe flesh out the distribution a bit more. I don't think it needs to be a particularly big one though, maybe up to 250 and that's it.
-I don't care if Giratina is post game, but I do want to be able to explore more of the Distortion World than just that small section they left you with at the end of Platinum.
-I also agree on having separate dimensions for Dialga and Palkia.
-Give Dialga/Palkia/Giratina the Primal treatment. Maybe not Primal forms per se (although it would be awesome if they made Primal Dialga canon in the games), but something similar that makes them stand out again.
-A bigger role for Lucas/Dawn, maybe even the opportunity to battle them a few times.
-Retool the Poketch a bit to be more useful. Trim out the more useless apps, add in PSS, Super Training, and Pokemon Amie, and maybe a few other useful ones as well.
-I wouldn't mind a few subtle changes in design to reduce the need for HMs, especially in the likes of Mt. Coronet and Victory Road. Also, get rid of Defog. For the love of Arceus get rid of it and any fog from the game.
-Enhance the Underground so that anyone that shows up in your PSS can appear.
 
Chances are Nintendo is going to continue the trend of releasing remakes over a decade after their original release, though i can't see Gen IV getting remakes soon, let alone on the 3DS.

It's likely that Nintendo will wait until they release their next handheld console, which will be sometime now. The past two remakes have skipped a console to go over to the next one: HGSS went to NDS instead of GBA, and ORAS went to 3DS instead of DS. Seeing as how it's possible we'll get Gen VII on the 3DS as well, we probably have some time before Gen IV gets their remakes.
 
I'll give you the reduction of HM's, but taking out some of their usage in Mt Coronet would be bad. The whole purpose of it is that you have this multi-tiered, somewhat explored mega dungeon, that needs advanced traversal skills when going into the more unexplored areas. Take away the HM's, and all you get is something like Twist Mountain(which wasn't bad per say, just not on Mt Coronet's level)
 
Eh...it feels a little too soon to talk about Gen 4 remakes. ORAS isn't even out yet. I can't even think of ways to improve D/P/Pt yet. I like them as is for now (then again, a lot of people liked the original versions before the remakes came along, so I might change my tune later)
 
I'll give you the reduction of HM's, but taking out some of their usage in Mt Coronet would be bad. The whole purpose of it is that you have this multi-tiered, somewhat explored mega dungeon, that needs advanced traversal skills when going into the more unexplored areas. Take away the HM's, and all you get is something like Twist Mountain(which wasn't bad per say, just not on Mt Coronet's level)

No, you shouldn't be wasting move/team slots just to get through Mt. Coronet, especially when Team Galactic and Dialga/Palkia is waiting for you at the top. You want to make sure your team is in top form for that point in the game, having to lug around HMs just drags you down. I don't mind if the optional areas use HMs, or maybe if they throw in some Strength boulders that you don't have to worry about later, but you should be able to reach Spear Pillar using little to no HMs.
 
I'd love remakes of gen 4! Platinum is my favorite Pokemon game next to X and Black 2!

And going by you guys' logic here, if remakes are to keep coming out ten years or so after the originals, then the gen 4 remakes should be announced in a couple years. Diamond and Pearl came out in 06, right? That was eight years ago. Two more years would make ten.

But you all forget that X/Y lacks a follow-up of some sort and every pair of games has had one. :p
 
I'd love remakes of gen 4! Platinum is my favorite Pokemon game next to X and Black 2!

And going by you guys' logic here, if remakes are to keep coming out ten years or so after the originals, then the gen 4 remakes should be announced in a couple years. Diamond and Pearl came out in 06, right? That was eight years ago. Two more years would make ten.

But you all forget that X/Y lacks a follow-up of some sort and every pair of games has had one. :p

Except that 5th gen pushed everything back. So it probably won't be 10 years after DP, probably more like 12-14ish. It can only launch in 2017 at the earliest, and that's only if we get Z/XY2 next year, 7th gen in 2016, and then DP remakes, and there's too many factors involved that could change that. The main variable here is when the 3DS' successor is coming out, and we have absolutely no word of that right now, so if it takes more than 2 or 3 years for Nintendo to launch the next handheld, then we could be getting another 5th gen type situation. Personally I don't think that's going to happen and I think we'll see the next handheld in 2016/2017ish, but it's hard to say at this point.
 
Except that 5th gen pushed everything back. So it probably won't be 10 years after DP, probably more like 12-14ish. It can only launch in 2017 at the earliest, and that's only if we get Z/XY2 next year, 7th gen in 2016, and then DP remakes, and there's too many factors involved that could change that. The main variable here is when the 3DS' successor is coming out, and we have absolutely no word of that right now, so if it takes more than 2 or 3 years for Nintendo to launch the next handheld, then we could be getting another 5th gen type situation. Personally I don't think that's going to happen and I think we'll see the next handheld in 2016/2017ish, but it's hard to say at this point.

Oh, I'm aware. That's why I pointed out the current lack of an X/Y followup. I'm saying that Sinnoh's remakes likely won't be out until around 2017 like you say.
 
Except that 5th gen pushed everything back. So it probably won't be 10 years after DP, probably more like 12-14ish. It can only launch in 2017 at the earliest, and that's only if we get Z/XY2 next year, 7th gen in 2016, and then DP remakes, and there's too many factors involved that could change that. The main variable here is when the 3DS' successor is coming out, and we have absolutely no word of that right now, so if it takes more than 2 or 3 years for Nintendo to launch the next handheld, then we could be getting another 5th gen type situation. Personally I don't think that's going to happen and I think we'll see the next handheld in 2016/2017ish, but it's hard to say at this point.

Oh, I'm aware. That's why I pointed out the current lack of an X/Y followup. I'm saying that Sinnoh's remakes likely won't be out until around 2017 like you say.

That wouldn't be 10 years like you said, though.
 
It baffles me that people still use this warn out excuse of "Generation ? remakes aren't needed" when has a remake EVER been needed???

No game ever needs to be remade, but they do it because they are quick and cheap to make and popular and sell well.
Generation 4 will get remakes just as Generation 3 got remakes, just as Generation 2 got remakes.

And before someone opens up a thread on "Will Generation 5 remakes happen" and someone inevitably replies "I don't think Gen 5 remakes are necessary/needed"
Yes they are going to happen!
 
And before someone opens up a thread on "Will Generation 5 remakes happen" and someone inevitably replies "I don't think Gen 5 remakes are necessary/needed"
Yes they are going to happen!

I'm actually curious as to how 5th gen remakes would work on account of it having sequels.
 
I can predict that the potential remakes would come out in 2018/2019 since there seems to be a 4 to 5 year time span between each past ten remake Gamefreak does. In terms of what they should be called, I have the PERFECT titles for the first two: ChronicDiamond and CosmicPearl. On the other hand, should they make one, I don't know what a good title would be for a Platinum remake. So if anyone comes up with any ideas, please let me know.
 
I completely forgot how bad Pokemon games were in regards to requiring HMs to progress until I just completed Platinum again about a week ago. My starter Pokemon had 3 HMs on it. Thank goodness for the Move Deleter.

I feel there are ways to limit progress without requiring moves to do it.

Or get rid of the HM system completely.
 
If remakes of these games were to be a reality, I am really hoping for them to use the Platinum format. It's unlikely, but Platinum took some inferior games and made them so much better! And... ugh, I know I am going to have to eat major crow saying this, especially after what I have said in the past about remakes, but I kind of want Mega Evolutions of the Generation IV Kanto evolutions, specifically Electivire. I love him and I would love to have an excuse to use him in competitive battling again. The Underground sections were a lot of fun and I hope they could do more with that.

I can't really think of what else I would like. I am hoping it comes out a little bit later in the future, only because the current graphics have not improved that much since Gen IV. Don't get me wrong, they're good, but it needs to be more improved, especially when you see what it is transitioning from and into. 32- bit to 3D: good. Mid-2000 3D into current 3D: not so much. But that's just me. Others may have a different opinion.
 
I'll give you the reduction of HM's, but taking out some of their usage in Mt Coronet would be bad. The whole purpose of it is that you have this multi-tiered, somewhat explored mega dungeon, that needs advanced traversal skills when going into the more unexplored areas. Take away the HM's, and all you get is something like Twist Mountain(which wasn't bad per say, just not on Mt Coronet's level)

No, you shouldn't be wasting move/team slots just to get through Mt. Coronet, especially when Team Galactic and Dialga/Palkia is waiting for you at the top. You want to make sure your team is in top form for that point in the game, having to lug around HMs just drags you down. I don't mind if the optional areas use HMs, or maybe if they throw in some Strength boulders that you don't have to worry about later, but you should be able to reach Spear Pillar using little to no HMs.
I see your point, but I dunno. IIRC there was a portion that had defog, so maybe they could just cut that out?

I'd love remakes of gen 4! Platinum is my favorite Pokemon game next to X and Black 2!

And going by you guys' logic here, if remakes are to keep coming out ten years or so after the originals, then the gen 4 remakes should be announced in a couple years. Diamond and Pearl came out in 06, right? That was eight years ago. Two more years would make ten.

But you all forget that X/Y lacks a follow-up of some sort and every pair of games has had one. :p

Except that 5th gen pushed everything back. So it probably won't be 10 years after DP, probably more like 12-14ish. It can only launch in 2017 at the earliest, and that's only if we get Z/XY2 next year, 7th gen in 2016, and then DP remakes, and there's too many factors involved that could change that. The main variable here is when the 3DS' successor is coming out, and we have absolutely no word of that right now, so if it takes more than 2 or 3 years for Nintendo to launch the next handheld, then we could be getting another 5th gen type situation. Personally I don't think that's going to happen and I think we'll see the next handheld in 2016/2017ish, but it's hard to say at this point.
I think DP remakes at the earliest will be out by 2018, if not pushed somewhere into the early 20s. Gen 7 is definitely going to be a weird one again, there's no doubt about it. Nintendo's giving an overhaul to their development infrastructure, and I think its going to apply to Gamefreak as well.

And before someone opens up a thread on "Will Generation 5 remakes happen" and someone inevitably replies "I don't think Gen 5 remakes are necessary/needed"
Yes they are going to happen!

I'm actually curious as to how 5th gen remakes would work on account of it having sequels.
Off topic, but I can see them giving us something like BBS, where you have 2 stories taking place, but ones obviously 2 years before the other. Maybe even a 3rd epilogue chapter can be thrown in?
 
If remakes of these games were to be a reality, I am really hoping for them to use the Platinum format. It's unlikely, but Platinum took some inferior games and made them so much better! And... ugh, I know I am going to have to eat major crow saying this, especially after what I have said in the past about remakes, but I kind of want Mega Evolutions of the Generation IV Kanto evolutions, specifically Electivire. I love him and I would love to have an excuse to use him in competitive battling again. The Underground sections were a lot of fun and I hope they could do more with that.

I'd be very disappointed if they didn't at least keep the Pokemon that Platinum added to the Sinnoh Dex, that was a much needed improvement. I don't really care much for the rest of Platinum's changes except the storyline, and the way ORAS is going, they might just make a post game story arc around Giratina.

I can't really think of what else I would like. I am hoping it comes out a little bit later in the future, only because the current graphics have not improved that much since Gen IV. Don't get me wrong, they're good, but it needs to be more improved, especially when you see what it is transitioning from and into. 32- bit to 3D: good. Mid-2000 3D into current 3D: not so much. But that's just me. Others may have a different opinion.

That's because we've only progressed one hardware generation since then. Compare 3rd gen graphics with 4th gen graphics, that's not much of an improvement either, but once we got to the 3DS, 3rd gen graphics definitely started to look dated. The same will happen with 4th gen once we get to the next handheld.

I think DP remakes at the earliest will be out by 2018, if not pushed somewhere into the early 20s. Gen 7 is definitely going to be a weird one again, there's no doubt about it. Nintendo's giving an overhaul to their development infrastructure, and I think its going to apply to Gamefreak as well.

IDK what's going to happen with Game Freak next gen. Nintendo seems to be headed in the direction of more unified hardware, something of a PS4/Vita relationship. So I suppose Nintendo might push for Game Freak to develop main games that could be played on consoles via crossplay, but I can't think of any other way that Game Freak might change next gen.

Off topic, but I can see them giving us something like BBS, where you have 2 stories taking place, but ones obviously 2 years before the other. Maybe even a 3rd epilogue chapter can be thrown in?

Never heard of BBS, I still don't understand what you're saying.
 
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