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EDIT: The hardcore fans, seeing such lag, will probably not buy any further game on the 3DS.
Hardcore fans will buy anything.
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EDIT: The hardcore fans, seeing such lag, will probably not buy any further game on the 3DS.
You're confusing the term "hardcore" and "casual". Hardcore fans will buy any Pokemon game, even if there is tremendous lag.Excuse me? Do you call that handful?
Anyone using Old 3Ds Xl with sun or moon? - Pokemon Sun Message Board for 3DS - GameFAQs
Even gaming sites are reporting lags.
Pokemon Sun And Moon Update: Standard 3DS Version Takes More Time To Load Than Usual
Pokemon Sun and Moon Take Longer to Load on 3DS Than New 3DS
This one completes our notion that SM are pushing 3DS to its limits
Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Moon push the old 3DS to the max - Nintendo Everything
EDIT: The hardcore fans, seeing such lag, will probably not buy any further game on the 3DS. And if Pokemon loses its fans, it is heading towards grave trouble.
Depends on if you're referring to hardcore Pokémon fans or hardcore gamers.You're confusing the term "hardcore" and "casual". Hardcore fans will buy any Pokemon game, even if there is tremendous lag.
I was talking about hardcore fans of the franchise, not hardcore gamers in general.Depends on if you're referring to hardcore Pokémon fans or hardcore gamers.
The stereotype of the hardcore gamer cares more about specs, frame rate, and processing power than the story and accessible gameplay Pokémon typically offers, so I think the argument is if your graphics aren't up to snuff then "hardcore" gamers won't play
Excuse me? Do you call that handful?
Anyone using Old 3Ds Xl with sun or moon? - Pokemon Sun Message Board for 3DS - GameFAQs
Even gaming sites are reporting lags.
Pokemon Sun And Moon Update: Standard 3DS Version Takes More Time To Load Than Usual
Pokemon Sun and Moon Take Longer to Load on 3DS Than New 3DS
This one completes our notion that SM are pushing 3DS to its limits
Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Moon push the old 3DS to the max - Nintendo Everything
EDIT: The hardcore fans, seeing such lag, will probably not buy any further game on the 3DS. And if Pokemon loses its fans, it is heading towards grave trouble.
though we don't necessarily know why third versions sell so low in comparison. sure we can spitball and think that it might be because they're a quasi-expansion pack to a solid base game, or that they're simply the more polished base game repackaged. is it because most third versions have appeared towards the ends of their console's life cycle?Anyway, if they're dead set on moving onto the Switch before 8th gen, at least do it with a remake and not a third version/sequel. Remakes sell better and would be much more effective at what people think Stars is going to do, drawing in new fans to build an audience for the Switch. You'd have a better chance at drawing in new fans and building a userbase with a fan favorite region instead of just recycling a game that isn't even a year old. Kanto would probably be the best candidate here, starting out on the Switch with the region everyone remembers? That'd turn some heads.
though we don't necessarily know why third versions sell so low in comparison. sure we can spitball and think that it might be because they're a quasi-expansion pack to a solid base game, or that they're simply the more polished base game repackaged. is it because most third versions have appeared towards the ends of their console's life cycle?
and the beauty in using a third version, especially one that stands to potentially be a Yellow-esque HD port, is that even if it were a flop it's hardly a massive loss investment-wise. consider that Game Freak does a remake instead. let's also imagine that, for whatever reason we can think of, the Switch is still a flop and the remake ultimately fails to sell (bc no consoles sold etc etc etc). not only has Game Freak made a game that no one is really experiencing because of whatever issue with the console, but they've also incurred a substantial loss because they invested in a mostly entirely new game. in Universe B they've opted for the HD port (or small upgrade third version, whatever you want it to be that isn't sequel or remake); the Switch still flops and by extension so was the game. but at the end of the day, it's hardly a loss because it's a game that most people have already experienced on the weaker console and one that didn't cost as much to make since they simply tidied up bits and pieces of the game.
and sure, the reverse is also possible true: the Switch is a success and following in other remakes' fashion, the Switch remake is a bigger success than what Stars would've been. but of course, then you have to do risk analysis. the remake is simply riskier than the third version, which is neutral at best. (and that wouldn't even be factoring more middle-of-the-road situations where the remakes sell fine but not enough to really justify the investment or where Stars still sells less than the remake ever would but since it was produced for cheaper it has a higher yield....and so on.)
Not really. The biggest risk in that situation would be developing for more powerful hardware, which is a problem either way. So then it's a matter of which one sells better, which is still remakes.
But what if Stars was a flop, and the remakes didn't sell well? That'd be too much risk for Gf to gamble on.
except that's not patently true. Platinum is the only modern third version that hasn't appeared at both the end of the generation and the end of the hardware's life. both Emerald and BW2 were released after the DS and 3DS came out respectively. it's not necessarily a function of whether or not "do people like third versions" is a true statement so much as why would people not like third versions.No, it's not. We've had new generations, remakes, and third versions appear at varying points in the hardware's life cycle, it has a minimal effect on sales (at best we see a drop of ~1 million for any game towards the end of the console's life, but that's not really much compared to Pokemon's entire audience). The timing of the games on their hardware has nothing to do with their sales, it's because of the games themselves, there's just more demand for new generations and third versions in general.
i mean, the remake would have to be built from the ground up whereas Stars would have the game pretty much done already, only needing to have its resolution increased for the Switch.Not really. The biggest risk in that situation would be developing for more powerful hardware, which is a problem either way. So then it's a matter of which one sells better, which is still remakes.
then why are we acting as if Stars being a flop would mean it would be an actual flop and not just relative to the series?Really? Pokemon core games have consistently made the top 3-10 selling games for any given Nintendo platform.
Really? Pokemon core games have consistently made the top 3-10 selling games for any given Nintendo platform. That seems less likely than a day where a man gets struck by lightning twice, wins the lottery, finds 3 Shiny Pokemon in a row and lands Focus Blast 10 times at the Battle Tree. The stars (heh) would have to align for something like Stars AND the remakes flopping.
But what if Stars was a flop, and the remakes didn't sell well? That'd be too much risk for Gf to gamble on.
Also, Stars was a typo.. I meant the Switch.If Stars is a flop, that doesn't necessarily mean the remakes will either since remakes sell better.
Unless you meant the Switch, in which case it probably still wouldn't change much. Keep in mind that when a console doesn't sell well, its userbase is reduced to little more than the diehard fans. Look at the Wii vs. Wii U, the Wii U only sold about 10% of the Wii and yet game sales on the Wii U didn't go down by that much, they were closer to 1/2. That's because the majority of the Wii audience was casual gamers who were mainly interested in Wii Sports and little if anything else, the hardcore gamers that helped games like Mario Galaxy and Mario Kart Wii sell well mostly remained on Wii U and so the sales didn't go down as much. Now if the Switch were to flop? You'd still have a lot of the hardcore Pokemon fanbase but they'd be a bit more critical of whatever Pokemon game it gets. They'd probably be less willing to buy into a third version than the casual audience so that would still keep third version sales down.
But you should also keep in mind that, remakes are a bigger gamble into the money, a bigger risk, than a simple third version, in which case, they've already got a Stellar Games" story.
Also, keep in mind that even console gamers will buy stars. We don't know what will happen if console gamers were merged into the Pokemon main series audience. It would add even more audience to Pokemon.
I think we could receive a remake after Stars is launched , so to entice fans to the Switch even more. Stars would make a great game to sell alongside Super Mario Odessey, and Zelda. The General console gamers would have their eye onto Pokemon for the first time, and would be eager to play an already established game, instead of a remake. Remakes could be launched just later to grab onto Players' confidence on Pokemon.
Also, it was noticed that Sun and Moon were eager on tutorials, and taught players Type advantages, the Z-Move with the Higher power etc. some players complained of the tutorials here, too. What if the tutorials were meant for those who had Stars as their first Main Game?
I think they would need to teach the general console gamers the basics, due to their less experience with Pokemon, so Sun, Moon and Stars descided to have extensive Tutorials.
It dosent matter what game they put out it will sell,everygame they make is a 3ds best seller
It dosent matter what game they put out it will sell,everygame they makeis awill be a3ds best sellerSwitch best seller.