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Pokemon Stars Discussion Thread (Speculation)

Do you think that Stars is real or Fake

  • Real

    Votes: 61 59.8%
  • Fake

    Votes: 41 40.2%

  • Total voters
    102
  • Poll closed .
Excuse me? Do you call that handful?
Anyone using Old 3Ds Xl with sun or moon? - Pokemon Sun Message Board for 3DS - GameFAQs
Even gaming sites are reporting lags.
Pokemon Sun And Moon Update: Standard 3DS Version Takes More Time To Load Than Usual
Pokemon Sun and Moon Take Longer to Load on 3DS Than New 3DS

This one completes our notion that SM are pushing 3DS to its limits
Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Moon push the old 3DS to the max - Nintendo Everything

EDIT: The hardcore fans, seeing such lag, will probably not buy any further game on the 3DS. And if Pokemon loses its fans, it is heading towards grave trouble.
You're confusing the term "hardcore" and "casual". Hardcore fans will buy any Pokemon game, even if there is tremendous lag.
 
Unless Kimishima has changed the plan put forth by Iwata, whatever they mean by a possible 3DS successor should have the same library as the Switch. And let's remember that the GBA Micro was released after the DS and Nintendo considered a GBA successor in case the DS failed.

We should wait for the official translation, because native Japanese speakers don't seem to think that the quote means much. I find it amusing that Masuda seems more forthcoming than Nintendo about the Switch replacing the 3DS.

As for the short term... If they're cowardly, they can release Stars both on 3DS and Switch (even though Sun and Moon are already the 3DS versions of Stars). But if they stick to just the 3DS, then why even bother with a third version?
 
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You're confusing the term "hardcore" and "casual". Hardcore fans will buy any Pokemon game, even if there is tremendous lag.
Depends on if you're referring to hardcore Pokémon fans or hardcore gamers.

The stereotype of the hardcore gamer cares more about specs, frame rate, and processing power than the story and accessible gameplay Pokémon typically offers, so I think the argument is if your graphics aren't up to snuff then "hardcore" gamers won't play
 
Depends on if you're referring to hardcore Pokémon fans or hardcore gamers.

The stereotype of the hardcore gamer cares more about specs, frame rate, and processing power than the story and accessible gameplay Pokémon typically offers, so I think the argument is if your graphics aren't up to snuff then "hardcore" gamers won't play
I was talking about hardcore fans of the franchise, not hardcore gamers in general.
 
Excuse me? Do you call that handful?
Anyone using Old 3Ds Xl with sun or moon? - Pokemon Sun Message Board for 3DS - GameFAQs
Even gaming sites are reporting lags.
Pokemon Sun And Moon Update: Standard 3DS Version Takes More Time To Load Than Usual
Pokemon Sun and Moon Take Longer to Load on 3DS Than New 3DS

This one completes our notion that SM are pushing 3DS to its limits
Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Moon push the old 3DS to the max - Nintendo Everything

EDIT: The hardcore fans, seeing such lag, will probably not buy any further game on the 3DS. And if Pokemon loses its fans, it is heading towards grave trouble.

Yes, that's still a handful. For Game Freak to take action on this, millions of people have to be upset with this.

Anyway, if they're dead set on moving onto the Switch before 8th gen, at least do it with a remake and not a third version/sequel. Remakes sell better and would be much more effective at what people think Stars is going to do, drawing in new fans to build an audience for the Switch. You'd have a better chance at drawing in new fans and building a userbase with a fan favorite region instead of just recycling a game that isn't even a year old. Kanto would probably be the best candidate here, starting out on the Switch with the region everyone remembers? That'd turn some heads.
 
Anyway, if they're dead set on moving onto the Switch before 8th gen, at least do it with a remake and not a third version/sequel. Remakes sell better and would be much more effective at what people think Stars is going to do, drawing in new fans to build an audience for the Switch. You'd have a better chance at drawing in new fans and building a userbase with a fan favorite region instead of just recycling a game that isn't even a year old. Kanto would probably be the best candidate here, starting out on the Switch with the region everyone remembers? That'd turn some heads.
though we don't necessarily know why third versions sell so low in comparison. sure we can spitball and think that it might be because they're a quasi-expansion pack to a solid base game, or that they're simply the more polished base game repackaged. is it because most third versions have appeared towards the ends of their console's life cycle?

and the beauty in using a third version, especially one that stands to potentially be a Yellow-esque HD port, is that even if it were a flop it's hardly a massive loss investment-wise. consider that Game Freak does a remake instead. let's also imagine that, for whatever reason we can think of, the Switch is still a flop and the remake ultimately fails to sell (bc no consoles sold etc etc etc). not only has Game Freak made a game that no one is really experiencing because of whatever issue with the console, but they've also incurred a substantial loss because they invested in a mostly entirely new game. in Universe B they've opted for the HD port (or small upgrade third version, whatever you want it to be that isn't sequel or remake); the Switch still flops and by extension so was the game. but at the end of the day, it's hardly a loss because it's a game that most people have already experienced on the weaker console and one that didn't cost as much to make since they simply tidied up bits and pieces of the game.

and sure, the reverse is also possible true: the Switch is a success and following in other remakes' fashion, the Switch remake is a bigger success than what Stars would've been. but of course, then you have to do risk analysis. the remake is simply riskier than the third version, which is neutral at best. (and that wouldn't even be factoring more middle-of-the-road situations where the remakes sell fine but not enough to really justify the investment or where Stars still sells less than the remake ever would but since it was produced for cheaper it has a higher yield....and so on.)
 
though we don't necessarily know why third versions sell so low in comparison. sure we can spitball and think that it might be because they're a quasi-expansion pack to a solid base game, or that they're simply the more polished base game repackaged. is it because most third versions have appeared towards the ends of their console's life cycle?

No, it's not. We've had new generations, remakes, and third versions appear at varying points in the hardware's life cycle, it has a minimal effect on sales (at best we see a drop of ~1 million for any game towards the end of the console's life, but that's not really much compared to Pokemon's entire audience). The timing of the games on their hardware has nothing to do with their sales, it's because of the games themselves, there's just more demand for new generations and third versions in general.

and the beauty in using a third version, especially one that stands to potentially be a Yellow-esque HD port, is that even if it were a flop it's hardly a massive loss investment-wise. consider that Game Freak does a remake instead. let's also imagine that, for whatever reason we can think of, the Switch is still a flop and the remake ultimately fails to sell (bc no consoles sold etc etc etc). not only has Game Freak made a game that no one is really experiencing because of whatever issue with the console, but they've also incurred a substantial loss because they invested in a mostly entirely new game. in Universe B they've opted for the HD port (or small upgrade third version, whatever you want it to be that isn't sequel or remake); the Switch still flops and by extension so was the game. but at the end of the day, it's hardly a loss because it's a game that most people have already experienced on the weaker console and one that didn't cost as much to make since they simply tidied up bits and pieces of the game.

and sure, the reverse is also possible true: the Switch is a success and following in other remakes' fashion, the Switch remake is a bigger success than what Stars would've been. but of course, then you have to do risk analysis. the remake is simply riskier than the third version, which is neutral at best. (and that wouldn't even be factoring more middle-of-the-road situations where the remakes sell fine but not enough to really justify the investment or where Stars still sells less than the remake ever would but since it was produced for cheaper it has a higher yield....and so on.)

Not really. The biggest risk in that situation would be developing for more powerful hardware, which is a problem either way. So then it's a matter of which one sells better, which is still remakes.
 
Not really. The biggest risk in that situation would be developing for more powerful hardware, which is a problem either way. So then it's a matter of which one sells better, which is still remakes.

But what if Stars was a flop, and the remakes didn't sell well? That'd be too much risk for Gf to gamble on.
 
But what if Stars was a flop, and the remakes didn't sell well? That'd be too much risk for Gf to gamble on.

Really? Pokemon core games have consistently made the top 3-10 selling games for any given Nintendo platform. That seems less likely than a day where a man gets struck by lightning twice, wins the lottery, finds 3 Shiny Pokemon in a row and lands Focus Blast 10 times at the Battle Tree. The stars (heh) would have to align for something like Stars AND the remakes flopping.

EDIT: There is a follow up on the handheld successor thing:

Nintendo President Elaborates On The 3DS Market And Possible Successor - Siliconera
 
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No, it's not. We've had new generations, remakes, and third versions appear at varying points in the hardware's life cycle, it has a minimal effect on sales (at best we see a drop of ~1 million for any game towards the end of the console's life, but that's not really much compared to Pokemon's entire audience). The timing of the games on their hardware has nothing to do with their sales, it's because of the games themselves, there's just more demand for new generations and third versions in general.
except that's not patently true. Platinum is the only modern third version that hasn't appeared at both the end of the generation and the end of the hardware's life. both Emerald and BW2 were released after the DS and 3DS came out respectively. it's not necessarily a function of whether or not "do people like third versions" is a true statement so much as why would people not like third versions.
Not really. The biggest risk in that situation would be developing for more powerful hardware, which is a problem either way. So then it's a matter of which one sells better, which is still remakes.
i mean, the remake would have to be built from the ground up whereas Stars would have the game pretty much done already, only needing to have its resolution increased for the Switch.
Really? Pokemon core games have consistently made the top 3-10 selling games for any given Nintendo platform.
then why are we acting as if Stars being a flop would mean it would be an actual flop and not just relative to the series?
 
Really? Pokemon core games have consistently made the top 3-10 selling games for any given Nintendo platform. That seems less likely than a day where a man gets struck by lightning twice, wins the lottery, finds 3 Shiny Pokemon in a row and lands Focus Blast 10 times at the Battle Tree. The stars (heh) would have to align for something like Stars AND the remakes flopping.

I agree with that. I just wrote that becuase @Bolt the Cat was consistently arguing that Stars won't sell well, and as you mentioned, a core game mostly sells well, it does not matter if it's a remake, or a third version.
 
But what if Stars was a flop, and the remakes didn't sell well? That'd be too much risk for Gf to gamble on.

If Stars is a flop, that doesn't necessarily mean the remakes will either since remakes sell better.

Unless you meant the Switch, in which case it probably still wouldn't change much. Keep in mind that when a console doesn't sell well, its userbase is reduced to little more than the diehard fans. Look at the Wii vs. Wii U, the Wii U only sold about 10% of the Wii and yet game sales on the Wii U didn't go down by that much, they were closer to 1/2. That's because the majority of the Wii audience was casual gamers who were mainly interested in Wii Sports and little if anything else, the hardcore gamers that helped games like Mario Galaxy and Mario Kart Wii sell well mostly remained on Wii U and so the sales didn't go down as much. Now if the Switch were to flop? You'd still have a lot of the hardcore Pokemon fanbase but they'd be a bit more critical of whatever Pokemon game it gets. They'd probably be less willing to buy into a third version than the casual audience so that would still keep third version sales down.
 
If Stars is a flop, that doesn't necessarily mean the remakes will either since remakes sell better.

Unless you meant the Switch, in which case it probably still wouldn't change much. Keep in mind that when a console doesn't sell well, its userbase is reduced to little more than the diehard fans. Look at the Wii vs. Wii U, the Wii U only sold about 10% of the Wii and yet game sales on the Wii U didn't go down by that much, they were closer to 1/2. That's because the majority of the Wii audience was casual gamers who were mainly interested in Wii Sports and little if anything else, the hardcore gamers that helped games like Mario Galaxy and Mario Kart Wii sell well mostly remained on Wii U and so the sales didn't go down as much. Now if the Switch were to flop? You'd still have a lot of the hardcore Pokemon fanbase but they'd be a bit more critical of whatever Pokemon game it gets. They'd probably be less willing to buy into a third version than the casual audience so that would still keep third version sales down.
Also, Stars was a typo.. I meant the Switch.

But you should also keep in mind that, remakes are a bigger gamble into the money, a bigger risk, than a simple third version, in which case, they've already got a Stellar Games" story.
Also, keep in mind that even console gamers will buy stars. We don't know what will happen if console gamers were merged into the Pokemon main series audience. It would add even more audience to Pokemon.
I think we could receive a remake after Stars is launched , so to entice fans to the Switch even more. Stars would make a great game to sell alongside Super Mario Odessey, and Zelda. The General console gamers would have their eye onto Pokemon for the first time, and would be eager to play an already established game, instead of a remake. Remakes could be launched just later to grab onto Players' confidence on Pokemon.

Also, it was noticed that Sun and Moon were eager on tutorials, and taught players Type advantages, the Z-Move with the Higher power etc. some players complained of the tutorials here, too. What if the tutorials were meant for those who had Stars as their first Main Game?
I think they would need to teach the general console gamers the basics, due to their less experience with Pokemon, so Sun, Moon and Stars descided to have extensive Tutorials.
 
But you should also keep in mind that, remakes are a bigger gamble into the money, a bigger risk, than a simple third version, in which case, they've already got a Stellar Games" story.

You can't just look at it that simplistically, you have to look at spending vs. sales. And from that perspective, Stars is spending more money than the usual third version for a minimal bump in sales, whereas remakes spend even more money and get even more sales. So remakes are more economical than third versions. Even in the event of a failed console launch, there's still going to be much more demand for a remake than a sequel.

Also, keep in mind that even console gamers will buy stars. We don't know what will happen if console gamers were merged into the Pokemon main series audience. It would add even more audience to Pokemon.

What console gamers? Wii U only sold 13 million units, a mere 1/4 of what the 3DS sold, and the Xbox/Playstation market isn't likely to buy a Switch when it has lower specs, subpar third party support, and overall doesn't really cater to that market at this point. The vast majority of the Switch's audience is likely to be 3DS owners, that's where most of Nintendo's fanbase is right now and the Switch isn't the kind of console that's likely to draw in the audiences Nintendo doesn't currently appeal to.

I think we could receive a remake after Stars is launched , so to entice fans to the Switch even more. Stars would make a great game to sell alongside Super Mario Odessey, and Zelda. The General console gamers would have their eye onto Pokemon for the first time, and would be eager to play an already established game, instead of a remake. Remakes could be launched just later to grab onto Players' confidence on Pokemon.

No, third versions are just flat out the worst options to launch a console with. You need something attention grabbing and high selling to start out with, and third versions aren't that. They work better on an established engine with an established userbase, that's the point where the risk is lowest.

Also, it was noticed that Sun and Moon were eager on tutorials, and taught players Type advantages, the Z-Move with the Higher power etc. some players complained of the tutorials here, too. What if the tutorials were meant for those who had Stars as their first Main Game?
I think they would need to teach the general console gamers the basics, due to their less experience with Pokemon, so Sun, Moon and Stars descided to have extensive Tutorials.

This is nothing new, they've been doing that for years. That has more to do with the increasing casualization of the market than any opportunities to bring new audiences in with the Switch.
 
Something like extra tutorials is an easy thing to code in anyway for a port.They wouldn't necessarily need them in the 3DS versions for them to be in hypothetical Switch versions.

There's always manuals too.
 
It dosent matter what game they put out it will sell,everygame they make is a 3ds best seller
 
It doesn't matter which platform it will be on, as long as it's Pokémon, it will be a best seller. A lot of people (including me) bought new phones just for Pokémon GO, too. People are more than willing to spend money to fit the requirements for the games they want to play. Loads of people bought an Xbox One and/or a PS4 too, which both are/were way more expensive than the Switch. Money doesn't stop people from getting their favourite games. It might stop a few people, but not enough to actually make this a flop. Or else companies would've stopped making new consoles a long time ago.
 
It dosent matter what game they put out it will sell,everygame they make is a will be a 3ds best seller Switch best seller.

For the most part every 1st party Nintendo game is a best seller on that console, especially Wii u since that's all it got.

I could see a dual system release for pokemon maybe,if switch is gonna be Pokemons platform going forward.

But by Nov when pokemon releases switch could possibly have 10 million units sold,if it's a huge success,most likely it will be in the 3 to 6 million range.

If you were gonna release pokemon on one console and not a dual release would you pick switch and maybe move a million or so more switch's or go with the 3ds which has 65 million units sold and is guaranteed to sell around 7 mil at holiday times
 
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