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Did anyone else start OC with Darth? It could simply be because I was the only one who messaged him or I was the first to contact him
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I get what you mean, but usually Jinjo goes after inactives I thought. It seemed way too quick of a jump on Crystal Onix who could have been doing a number of things before making a post. It struck me as a way of looking like doing something, but in reality not doing much at all.
Your vote on DarthWolf does seem serious but all of the votes on DarthWolf have been confusing to me. I mean, you gave a reason at least with the scum chat thing and you're sticking to your vote. I don't necessarily agree with it, but you provided a reason unlike some others
I try to not use meta, but in the Archie game I recall Jinjo putting forth more effort and not generalizations. Regardless, my vote on Jinjo is now more firm considering she seems to be trying to subtly insinuate I could be scum with this quote:
I was the first sub, meaning it was a "priority mafia" in her reasoning. So she's clearly wrong as I know I'm not mafia.
Would jester really be here... seems too plain. Would also like to see a screenshot. Why would DarthWolf randomly claim to Zinnlav anyway?
I don't understand -- I was questioning DawningWind's strange wording with outright claiming granny, not the role itself
In what way do you mean this? Too seriously in that people aren't seeing it in a joke manner, or that people on the wagon are taking it too seriously?
Swear I'm not purposely tunneling on Snowy here because I know I've mentioned him several times already, but like, this post here. It's answering Darth sorta, but it's just like all his other posts this game so far: nothing one way or another about any players, mostly just role speculation that isn't helpful right now and doesn't help find a target today. That + the host lynching topic just feel like trying to avoid getting anything out of D1.
D1 in Archie Sonic, I voted Snowy for similar reasons. He was town there, but his posts also got better as D1 continued. That hasn't happened here IMO.
I think it'd be very bold of mafia to claim something like this after Archie Sonic Mafia is both very fresh in peoples' minds and this game has a lot of players who were there, knowing those players would likely be cautious about this claim in how it could be a "well, I was town last time when barely anyone believed me, so this could be a good fake"-kind of way. Though what is the exact role name? You say it is "kind of reflector," but what is it specifically called in your role PM?
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Kinda agree with LG's thoughts that jester sounds almost too pedestrian for Chaos Mafia in regards to DarthWolf. Not sure on his self-vote, but I'm not seeing anything actually scummy from him yet so I'd be surprised if that wagon caught mafia. While I'm typing this though I'm seeing a jester thing from OC??? Gonna wait then and see what happens there if he responds
Human's wagon started with two joke votes and I don't see any cause for alarm with him yet. He's the type you really need to see for longer than D1 usually to get a good feel for his alignment, but he seems to be ramping up now in the last half of D1 into more of his usual types of posts.
TheCapsFan looks fine so far too, I actualy don't think his vote on Darth is too bad because it reads to me like a pressure vote? His content so far has been good, though for some reason I feel like I tend to agree with a lot of what TheCapsFan says in games. Lone_Garurumon is kinda the same in how I'm reading him so far too.
DawningWinds I think started the town in a very pro-town way. Would like to see more from them, but for now, I think he looks good.
Midorikawa being quiet so far is giving me flashbacks to Archie Sonic when she was mafia and I'm a little paranoid. Too early to tell and honestly I can get D1 being kinda meh for posting (honestly that's kinda me right now, sometimes depression and anxiety is the secret mafia to have to fight lol), but just keeping that in the back of my mind.
With Darth a self-professed Jester, imo we just leave him and lynch someone else, otherwise we're just wasting a lynch. Imo Caps is still the best target I can see.
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Vote: TheCapsFan
Because I didn't unvote last time and apparently that's necessary.
I have already explained the reason to my vote and I literally did the same thing in Archie and the player I voted for flipped mafia and that can be a good way to catch scum. I have also been suspicious of you by your play on day 1 and you are also not even engaging with me in good faith. You also said here I wasn't putting forth more effort when actually I am putting more effort in this game especially on day 1 than I was doing on day 1 in Archie.
Different things are different. Space's reason for voting Jinjo was not the same as HumanDawn's reason given when asking why Space wasn't voting for HumanDawn.
I have yet to see anything in this game to convince me that lynching DarthWolf is necessary.
Someone doesn't understand sarcasmWhat is your basis for this claim? From here, it seems more probable that Darth isn't kingmaker, unless you want to claim that most of the roles in this game are kingmaker, or have some other special information that frankly, I don't believe you have. Not unless you're scumbuddies and he's told you as much.
Different things are different. You both attracted a certain level of suspicion out of me for your votes in the DarthWolf wagon, but, as you acknowledged in the beginning of your post, I gave another reason for voting HumanDawn, that I hadn't seen you do. Do you remember that bit about the false equivalence? Of course you do, you quoted it as the first thing in your post I'm responding to. But now by pretending it was just about the votes, you're muddling the game with strawmen.
I've gone over this already. But I'd like to refer to Space's post I'll quote below, to entertain the idea that maybe there might have been a misunderstanding on HumanDawn's part about why Space was voting Jinjo. Between that and your throwing strawmen at me in response to me explaining why HumanDawn, I'll grant you the thing you're arguing about. Why not you? I mean, now that you've added the things to the case against you that were lacking before. On top of the "potential for buddying", as you put it.
Kind of curious as to why you think Megapod's RVS vote is worth voting over Space if you've been finding Space suspicious for a whileI have also been suspicious of you by your play on day 1 and you are also not even engaging with me in good faith
These players below haven't really said anything that left a good impression and hearing more from them would be nice.
MegaPod
Zachie
DekuNut
Officer Snake
Midorikawa
Tood
Reading DarthWolf's first wallpost, his posts looked jokey. Second wallpost were asking some questions and that kind of play he is doing is hard to read.
I don't understand why would Space want to question Dawning's claim when this is not a visiting role. Reading this it looked like Dawning said they are a pgo and then said the role name is granny. Space post on #205 looked a bit like a chainsaw defense which I didn't like.
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Vote: MegaPod
We already have some content going and I don't like how MegaPod still has his rvs vote and I always find it scummy when a player leaves their rvs vote by the end of day 1 and same thing can be said about Zachie.
I get what you mean, but usually Jinjo goes after inactives I thought. It seemed way too quick of a jump on Crystal Onix who could have been doing a number of things before making a post. It struck me as a way of looking like doing something, but in reality not doing much at all.
Your vote on DarthWolf does seem serious but all of the votes on DarthWolf have been confusing to me. I mean, you gave a reason at least with the scum chat thing and you're sticking to your vote. I don't necessarily agree with it, but you provided a reason unlike some others
I try to not use meta, but in the Archie game I recall Jinjo putting forth more effort and not generalizations. Regardless, my vote on Jinjo is now more firm considering she seems to be trying to subtly insinuate I could be scum with this quote:
I was the first sub, meaning it was a "priority mafia" in her reasoning. So she's clearly wrong as I know I'm not mafia.
Ya probably need one, maybe two more there buddy. But interesting answers given the claim from DW. Nothing Space has said so far has been memorable to me.DawningWings and Space
Ok now I'm not sure if you are still just messing around or considering me as a valid D1 lynch because someone has to die.
Then why are you still voting me?
Yeah I haven't played in a while, how do you like my 2nd wall btw
Did you miss me?
I can't speak to scum!Caps vs town!Caps, and anyway, weren't we told earlier not to play the meta?
Here we see a Blight in its natural environment, self-voting for pity, and setting up a potential future vote on Snowy. If Blight DarthWolf was a Star, he would have voted Star Snowy to show he has the best interest of the Stars at heart, but yet wants to build pity on himself and shade others. We all know he's not going to keep the vote on himself at the end.
The grass is green, the sky is blue, and the earth is round.
This is hurting my brain. I read back and didn't see any problem with what HD said. It was a valid point.
Okay, so you're voting me, right? Why do you think lynching me is necessary? What specifically do you think is making me scummy? Lone has claimed it's my vote placement on DarthWolf.
Someone doesn't understand sarcasm
Just because I read it doesn't mean I understood it can you please talk a bit simpler? Even HD's posts are clearer to understand and he's typing under a roleplay. Mafia like to hide under big confusing words like "false equivalence" and "muddling the game with strawmen".
Also, I'm just curious to hear your reasoning, because I don't think I've done anything that scummy this game so far past that vote? And I don't really think that action itself is super scummy, maybe worth a post-RVS vote, but not much more beyond that.
So you're voting me based on a case that I pretty much gave to you then talk about being opportunistic.
God I wish we had Discord/Discord Nitro integration so I could use some of my Discord emotes. I've been playing a lot of Discord mafias recently and they really do help get emotions across in those games. is great and all, but sometimes it just doesn't cut it.
Darth outing himself to Zinn comes off as a bit weird...? Zinn was on his wagon. If he's jester, wouldn't outing himself risk losing Zinn's vote. It seems a bit counterproductive for a jester to do, so I have my doubts that Darth is entirely telling the truth about being a jester
Kind of curious as to why you think Megapod's RVS vote is worth voting over Space if you've been finding Space suspicious for a while
Based on the fact Megapod's RVS vote is on you, I find it a bit OMGUS-y, tbh
I really think you're blowing things a bit out of proportion with Space though, I don't see how any of her interactions have been in bad faith up until now
Darth outing himself to Zinn comes off as a bit weird...? Zinn was on his wagon. If he's jester, wouldn't outing himself risk losing Zinn's vote. It seems a bit counterproductive for a jester to do, so I have my doubts that Darth is entirely telling the truth about being a jester
And... Crystal Onix was inactive at the time Jinjo voted him. Please don't make me get paranoid about you again like last time with messing up who DawningWinds voted...
You could criticize many other players much fairly for "not doing much at all" despite posting with no votes going around instead of Jinjo trying to stir the game up.
Yes, I have a reason, but so does Jinjo. DarthWolf could have also been doing a number of things before confirming but yet I used that against him and used it to keep my vote on me. I'm starting to feel like you might be playing a bit dumb here on purpose.
Yeah, I can see what you mean that by that logic, you'd more likely to be Mafia, but I didn't think of you at all when she said it, so I doubt it was an intentional plan. If she wanted to share you with it, she would have mentioned your name. It seems like it's something that Jinjo might really believe in, because ME had to come in and say it was a first asked, first-serve basis.
When did that happen in Archie, are you not referring to Day 1?? Because I looked back at Day 1 and you didn't vote & someone town was lynched that phase. Also I don't mean that you're not putting in effort here, it's just that you seem to be making more generalizations than I've seen you do before.
Darth outing himself to Zinn comes off as a bit weird...? Zinn was on his wagon. If he's jester, wouldn't outing himself risk losing Zinn's vote. It seems a bit counterproductive for a jester to do, so I have my doubts that Darth is entirely telling the truth about being a jester
Kind of curious as to why you think Megapod's RVS vote is worth voting over Space if you've been finding Space suspicious for a while
Based on the fact Megapod's RVS vote is on you, I find it a bit OMGUS-y, tbh
I really think you're blowing things a bit out of proportion with Space though, I don't see how any of her interactions have been in bad faith up until now
If Blight DarthWolf is actually a Jester, we just let him win today and be done with it. No more future distractions and the game goes on.
Fourth is deflective to try to not get more votes on themselves.
There could be "a few reasons" for both as to why they would both be Town not partaking in the game, but Star Space focuses on Star Jinjo while not focusing on my vote on Star DarthWolf. No reasoning like "I Star read you, HumanDawn, so I am willing to forgive you", nothing.
To be honest, the open claiming of this game is still something I'm finding weird.
The character I submitted is an armoured hero that uses a gun. His primary form literally has the word "Shooting" in its name, so that's why I think a shooting type role would be appropriate. Either PGO or Vig.
Earlier you said you recall I was putting more effort on Archie but on day 1 I didn't put in any effort over there and didn't start putting effort until somewhere around end of day 2 and I feel like as if I have been putting effort here on day 1 since I have been scum hunting on day 1 here and what do you mean by generalization?
wait what did I say this time that was like that? I recognize Crystal Onix didn't post.
it's not the "not doing much", it's the way she went about it. Voting someone because they were elsewhere on the forums isn't evidence of anything, but Jinjo was treating it as such.
You: darthwolf could have confirmed in scumchat
Jinjo: crystal onix was seen an hour ago in fun and games and hasn't posted here
think what you will, but to me it's different.
Prior to his most recent post, I didn't have a feeling one way or another about Tood, but his last post was solid IMO. His thoughts on Darth's apparent jester claim and Jinjo's MegaPod vote/lack of Space vote are useful and not something that are just being repeated from another player. I'd very light lean town so far, but mostly just for that post rather than anything else he's done earlier this phase.Thoughts on Tood?
I get what you mean about the host stuff being something that could've just been on his mind given how Chaos Mafia is, it just stands out to me when that's pretty much all he's said. Snowy's response to me was decent admittedly and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt to see if he does have any reads later like he says he'll mention if he does, but I also don't like the Zachie vote that's still in place and felt weird to me from the get-go.@FinalArcadia I agree about most of your reads (so, I guess you're Town?) except for DarthWolf and Snowy. I feel like Snowy would post less as Mafia, and the Chaos stuff is something that was on his mind that he wanted to settle first. He could have had those thoughts before the roles were handed out and decided to say it as Mafia anyway, but ehh.
Not sure I agree here, since I don't think lynching jesters should usually be encouraged. It can get mafia a mislynch to avoid voting a jester claim, but that assumes the claim is really true while also not being a very useful flip for town to work with either. Honestly, I think the whole thing is kind of moot, because mafia could just as easily want to off the jester because it's an easy vote to make with no consequences.I'm kind of freaked by the lack of votes on DarthWolf. Mafia has the most reason to ignore a lynch on a Jester claim because they increase the odds of mislynching Town by doing so, which is the most likely to occur today with no deaths yet, and save the Jester claim for later.
Regarding the Darth wagon, which appears to a joke vote that has formed a wagon, I've seen noting particularly scummy from Darth so far so am wondering why the wagon persists?
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Sorry, I was waiting for confirmation I could post OC chat images
Also @Magnificent Entertainer @Doctor Floptopus any chance we could get countdowns for future phases? It really helps with timezones. I got really confused when I converted and it's like "Midnight Sunday" when it means like right as Saturday ends. Up to you guys
In what way do you mean this? Too seriously in that people aren't seeing it in a joke manner, or that people on the wagon are taking it too seriously?
"effort" was the wrong wording, my bad. By generalization I mean equating "someone not posting in mafia but elsewhere = mafia" along with "subbing in order = mafia or not mafia (depending on order)". Also, you never answered me about Archie mafia - when did you vote mafia for a similar reason?
Swear I'm not purposely tunneling on Snowy here because I know I've mentioned him several times already, but like, this post here. It's answering Darth sorta, but it's just like all his other posts this game so far: nothing one way or another about any players, mostly just role speculation that isn't helpful right now and doesn't help find a target today. That + the host lynching topic just feel like trying to avoid getting anything out of D1.
D1 in Archie Sonic, I voted Snowy for similar reasons. He was town there, but his posts also got better as D1 continued. That hasn't happened here IMO.
Kinda agree with LG's thoughts that jester sounds almost too pedestrian for Chaos Mafia in regards to DarthWolf. Not sure on his self-vote, but I'm not seeing anything actually scummy from him yet so I'd be surprised if that wagon caught mafia. While I'm typing this though I'm seeing a jester thing from OC??? Gonna wait then and see what happens there if he responds
Midorikawa being quiet so far is giving me flashbacks to Archie Sonic when she was mafia and I'm a little paranoid. Too early to tell and honestly I can get D1 being kinda meh for posting (honestly that's kinda me right now, sometimes depression and anxiety is the secret mafia to have to fight lol), but just keeping that in the back of my mind.
Space post on #205 looked a bit like a chainsaw defense which I didn't like.
Your vote on DarthWolf does seem serious but all of the votes on DarthWolf have been confusing to me. I mean, you gave a reason at least with the scum chat thing and you're sticking to your vote. I don't necessarily agree with it, but you provided a reason unlike some others
I was the first sub, meaning it was a "priority mafia" in her reasoning. So she's clearly wrong as I know I'm not mafia.
Would jester really be here... seems too plain. Would also like to see a screenshot. Why would DarthWolf randomly claim to Zinnlav anyway?
TBF, My best plays in Mafia have always been when I didn't have to worry about trying to read people.
That was a screenshot, I contacted him saying he's going to get lynched just because it's funny because of his N0 flip, and if he doesn't want to get lynched, he just needs to provide something funnier than that.
He only replied once and it was with that message, at first I thought he was joking about how he died N0, but with his weird play and voting himself, I'm not so sure.