BDSP Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl General Discussion

[Puddle]

I respect everyone's opinion, but all the unreasonable criticism BDSP is getting just makes me roll my eyes. The game is obviously not perfect (no Pokemon game is) but, for me at least, based on all the leaked information that we have sofar, BDSP is clearly the best Pokemon game in a very long time (since 2012 imo).

I wish more people thought like you. From what I can see, there's at least as much new content in this game as there was in HeartGold and SoulSilver.

 

[Oriden]

I wish more people thought like you. From what I can see, there's at least as much new content in this game as there was in HeartGold and SoulSilver.

XD Amuses me a bit that these games are basically just on par with Gen 4 with modern QoL standards and adjustments either way.

 

[Die-Hard Dragon Devotee]

I wish more people thought like you. From what I can see, there's at least as much new content in this game as there was in HeartGold and SoulSilver.

Now if they could only do away with the stupid affection mechanics (but keep the Pokemon following you) and the permanent, entire party Exp. Share, and I might like them as much as HG/SS.

 

[Defiant]

A million miles away from "best Pokemon game" in my opinion.
Better than the original DP, yes, but nowhere near as good as Platinum.

Emerald, HGSS, BW, B2W2, SwSh all significantly better than DP/BDSP too imo.

To their credit I will say they are definitely better than LGPE.

XY, SM, USUM are less clear cut however,
XY were unfinished, but did make Pokemon 3D, and much more finished than these games in their shipped form.
USUM were quite good games, but I will always feel salty about these as they are the finished version of what SM was, and there are 2, not a traditonal 3rd version or sequels like Gen 5. I think a lot of my USUM hate should maybe be directed more at SM as those were unfinished, (Mina;s trial OMG) so I'll say USUM are better than BDSP, but SM is worse.

 

[FinnishPokéFan92]

May not end up being amongst the best Pokémon games, but I've always found something to compliment about every core Pokémon game. As long as I can find enough to compliment about a Pokémon game, I'll consider it a good game. A thing doesn't have to be perfect to be enjoyable/good. And I have a feeling this game will be enjoyable for me.

 

[Boss1708]

I wish more people thought like you. From what I can see, there's at least as much new content in this game as there was in HeartGold and SoulSilver.

Thanks! I am glad you agree with me! Yeah, sadly BDSP is being seriously underrated and underappreciated at the moment, but I think this will change over time. I feel like people will slowly begin to appreciate this game more and more.

I will say it once again, in my opinion, BDSP is clearly the best game of the 3D era (better than XY, ORAS, SM, USUM, LGPE and SwSh).

And it is also the second best remake we've had sofar, only surpassed by HGSS, but superior to FRLG, ORAS and LGPE.

 

[Bolt Strike]

I wish more people thought like you. From what I can see, there's at least as much new content in this game as there was in HeartGold and SoulSilver.

How do you figure? I really, really don't see any kind of equivalency whatsoever between the amount of content added from GSC -> HGSS than DPPt -> BDSP. Feels like they're in completely different leagues from each other.

A million miles away from "best Pokemon game" in my opinion.
Better than the original DP, yes, but nowhere near as good as Platinum.

Emerald, HGSS, BW, B2W2, SwSh all significantly better than DP/BDSP too imo.

To their credit I will say they are definitely better than LGPE.

XY, SM, USUM are less clear cut however,
XY were unfinished, but did make Pokemon 3D, and much more finished than these games in their shipped form.
USUM were quite good games, but I will always feel salty about these as they are the finished version of what SM was, and there are 2, not a traditonal 3rd version or sequels like Gen 5. I think a lot of my USUM hate should maybe be directed more at SM as those were unfinished, (Mina;s trial OMG) so I'll say USUM are better than BDSP, but SM is worse.

This, although I have slightly different opinions about which ones are best. I found a Tiermaker list (here: https://tiermaker.com/create/pokemon-mainline-games) on how I would rank them, here is my ranking:

Spoiler

BDSP would be about a B rank.

EDIT: If anyone wants to discuss the Tiermaker rankings further, I created a thread here:

https://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/rank-the-pokemon-games.289822/

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Thanks! I am glad you agree with me! Yeah, sadly BDSP is being seriously underrated and underappreciated at the moment, but I think this will change over time. I feel like people will slowly begin to appreciate this game more and more.

I will say it once again, in my opinion, BDSP is clearly the best game of the 3D era (better than XY, ORAS, SM, USUM, LGPE and SwSh).

And it is also the second best remake we've had sofar, only surpassed by HGSS, but superior to FRLG, ORAS and LGPE.

Are you aware that the "best game" is subjective?
What I can tell you is objective is, it is objectively the least polished game shipping in cartridge.

 

[Oriden]

Are you aware that the "best game" is subjective?
What I can tell you is objective is, it is objectively the least polished game shipping in cartridge.

XD At least on the surface. We know RBY were loaded with bugs, but that was kind of their charm.

Anywho... subjective is right and I don't think it's really worth debating. It's cool if anyone thinks BDSP is great and possibly the best thing since sliced bread, but declaring it "clearly the best game" is kind of a trigger statement and probably why anyone's jumping on trying to refute it.

I think if you've never played Diamond or Pearl or Platinum before, BDSP must look great. But if you have played them, it doesn't look like a new experience and is actually worse in some ways. So depending on which side you're on there, there's going to be bias. And if D/P were your first or favorite games, maybe you've got nostalgia for them, so an updated nearly verbatim remake maybe seems amazing, and that's going to be a bias too.

Me, I played Diamond and it wasn't my first or favorite game, so I look at BDSP and all I feel is unmotivated and like I would be better off just booting up my old DS to mine in the underground for a few minutes for Skull Fossils instead. Peak Sinnoh experience right there. If you don't have three PC boxes full of Cranidos, I don't know what you're doing with your life.

 

[Greninjaman]

XD At least on the surface. We know RBY were loaded with bugs, but that was kind of their charm.

Anywho... subjective is right and I don't think it's really worth debating. It's cool if anyone thinks BDSP is great and possibly the best thing since sliced bread, but declaring it "clearly the best game" is kind of a trigger statement and probably why anyone's jumping on trying to refute it.

I think if you've never played Diamond or Pearl or Platinum before, BDSP must look great. But if you have played them, it doesn't look like a new experience and is actually worse in some ways. So depending on which side you're on there, there's going to be bias. And if D/P were your first or favorite games, maybe you've got nostalgia for them, so an updated nearly verbatim remake maybe seems amazing, and that's going to be a bias too.

Me, I played Diamond and it wasn't my first or favorite game, so I look at BDSP and all I feel is unmotivated and like I would be better off just booting up my old DS to mine in the underground for a few minutes for Skull Fossils instead. Peak Sinnoh experience right there. If you don't have three PC boxes full of Cranidos, I don't know what you're doing with your life.

What if someone (like myself) has not played a Sinnoh game in YEARS and does not have Diamond/Pearl/Platinum?

 

[silurica]

At the very least, BDSP will largely, if not entirely, be an improvement over DP with its QoLs and improved speed (remember "Saving a lot of data..."? Yeah, nobody would miss that, among other things). Whether it's better than Platinum is when it really gets debatable, I think, since Platinum also fixed the more obnoxious flaws of DP.

But what can I say, the chibi looks funny, if nothing else I will have fun laughing at memes.

 

[Puddle]

How come when someone says that BDSP are the worst games, worse than Platinum etc, no-one bats an eyelid, yet when someone praises BDSP and calls them the best games we've had in a while, they get rounded on with comments like "you haven't played the game yet", "that's a subjective opinion" etc? I can't help feeling like there are double standards in this thread.

 

[Boss1708]

How come when someone says that BDSP are the worst games, worse than Platinum etc, no-one bats an eyelid, yet when someone praises BDSP and calls them the best games we've had in a while, they get rounded on with comments like "you haven't played the game yet", "that's a subjective opinion" etc? I can't help feeling like there are double standards in this thread.

This. So much this. Thank you for summing up my thoughts perfectly. The double standards here are really obvious and irritating.

This is getting so out of hand, that apparently saying "in my opinion, BDSP is the best game we've had in years" is considered a TRIGGER STATEMENT... in the BDSP thread, of all places. It's just laughable.

 

[silurica]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions regardless of which side of the fence they're on, but I think it's said by someone upthread, saying hyperbole statements
along the line of "best thing ever since sliced toast" is just a good way to bring the argumentative side of people, regardless of what the thing is. Especially when there are a lot of people listening.

 

[RavenRaziel98]

How come when someone says that BDSP are the worst games, worse than Platinum etc, no-one bats an eyelid, yet when someone praises BDSP and calls them the best games we've had in a while, they get rounded on with comments like "you haven't played the game yet", "that's a subjective opinion" etc? I can't help feeling like there are double standards in this thread.

It's kinda funny to see people being surprised by experiencing other people using double standards (at this point I want to clarify that this shall not be seen as an agreement to the double standard statement) since I've been used to eat for so long by now (Germany basically means double standards).
However, for my part I can see a lot of different opinions here, based on different expectations and experiences, and of course many of them are on a subjective base (not surprising though, considering everyone has a personal bond to the topic, it's way easier to debate objectively about stuff that doesn't have an impact on you personally). As for my part, I see (and understand) a lot of the criticism as well as the hype. I can see why some people are disappointed while others are nearly going bananas while waiting for the release. And even though I'm one of those that are going bananas right now, I can still acknowledge the criticised points and that the people are right about them. I just don't give a damn about that things because overall I know I'll still enjoy BD and SP really much despite their flaws. I loved diamond and I've never played platinum, so I won't miss anything of the platinum content anyway. And even though there is a lot of conflict and criticism about the whole thing, I know that the reason behind the whole debate being discussed so intensely is one reason: Despite having different opinions and expectations we have one thing in common - we all love the pokemon games, that's why we're here after all.

 

[Oriden]

What if someone (like myself) has not played a Sinnoh game in YEARS and does not have Diamond/Pearl/Platinum?

Not sure what side of the fence you're on in regards to these, honestly. XD Are you excited to play D/P again with QoL updates or wish they did more with it?

How come when someone says that BDSP are the worst games, worse than Platinum etc, no-one bats an eyelid, yet when someone praises BDSP and calls them the best games we've had in a while, they get rounded on with comments like "you haven't played the game yet", "that's a subjective opinion" etc? I can't help feeling like there are double standards in this thread.

I think it's moreso the "clearly the best games" assertion that is rubbing people wrong. I know it's been rubbing me wrong because it's like saying they're "obviously the best" when that's not obvious and there's a whole list of reasons why they're not. Obvious implies an irrefutable fact and there is so much to refute about it that it raises hairs.

I respect that anyone thinks they're great, honestly, and I acknowledge my own bias in why I disagree. But also, valid list of reasons why these games aren't obviously the best games.

 

[Greninjaman]

Not sure what side of the fence you're on in regards to these, honestly. XD Are you excited to play D/P again with QoL updates or wish they did more with it?

I am excited for the games, yes. Am I bummed about the removal of the flag and furniture from the underground and only having statues to put in the base? Not really. I didn’t do much decorating. I am excited about the hideaways.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

How come when someone says that BDSP are the worst games, worse than Platinum etc, no-one bats an eyelid, yet when someone praises BDSP and calls them the best games we've had in a while, they get rounded on with comments like "you haven't played the game yet", "that's a subjective opinion" etc? I can't help feeling like there are double standards in this thread.

This. So much this. Thank you for summing up my thoughts perfectly. The double standards here are really obvious and irritating.

This is getting so out of hand, that apparently saying "in my opinion, BDSP is the best game we've had in years" is considered a TRIGGER STATEMENT... in the BDSP thread, of all places. It's just laughable.

Both things are subjective.
"BDSP are clearly the best games" implies that anyone who doesn’t think so is in some delusional state. Whereas, myself and people like @Oriden and many others clearly mention it’s our opinion and other people are free to enjoy these games at many other places. Please don’t put words in people's mouths.

People who are calling BDSP the "worst" are calling it in specific categories. For me, the game ranks worst in terms of polish and creativity for reasonings that I've provided time and time again, and people are free to disagree or point out of any points are misguided, and of course, people are free to think otherwise.

For the record, I remember a post a few days back claiming that anyone who didn’t like BDSP was toxic and not a "true fan of the franchise".

Victimising "one side" and demonising the other creates a toxic atmosphere, which is honestly the reason I stopped posting on these forums a long time back. Literally any criticism of mine on these games was brushed off as "The games haven’t released yet", so yes, it goes both ways.

It would be great if people do not make blanket statements because all everyone here wants is for their favourite franchise to improve, and both criticisms and the pros should be talked upon, otherwise we end up with a hive mind.

A lot of people have given fair criticism of the things they didn’t like, while providing extremely positive feedback, of things I cannot mention in this thread due to the leaks. Everyone here has posted positive, as well as negative things about the games.

 

[Oriden]

I am excited for the games, yes. Am I bummed about the removal of the flag and furniture from the underground and only having statues to put in the base? Not really. I didn’t do much decorating. I am excited about the hideaways.

XD Nostalgia angle, then, I guess? If you don't have D/P/Pt and think of them fondly, this is certainly an opportunity.

I recommend filling three boxes full of cranidos when you play, though. Those without 30+ cranidos in their PC are living an unfulfilling life.

That or Shieldon. Shieldon is cuter anyway (I just hate Palkia).

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Those without 30+ cranidos in their PC are living an unfulfilling life.

flashbacks to me being "like Ash", only catching 6 main Pokémon, and <10 Pokémon in storage