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SV Leaks and/or Rumours Thread

I feel like that's part of the problem. Gmax and megas not withstanding, if the team has other pokemon on it that are new to this generation, why not make one of those the ace rather than the older gen pokemon on the team.
My best guest? Perhaps the other team members just don’t fit the mold either power-wise or the character’s personality.

Game Freak probably feels that having a new Pokémon for every character’s ace would be too limiting as they’d have to be careful to not have Pokémon on the team that are more fitting for the character as their ace nor more generally powerful than that new Pokémon. This would be especially true if they had a type specialist in a generation with not a lot of new examples of their type/theme. At that point, Game Freak might as well design the character and type specialty after the new Pokémon’s power level and how many new examples of that type/theme are available in that region.

tldr summary: Due a lot of different factors, Game Freak feels that limiting the aces of an important character to only new Pokémon species stifles their creativity of their characters to the point that they would be forced to limit a character’s team and personality around that new Pokémon.
 
I feel like that's part of the problem. Gmax and megas not withstanding, if the team has other pokemon on it that are new to this generation, why not make one of those the ace rather than the older gen pokemon on the team.
I feel it's partially demand from higher-up in terms of merchandise, but also just marketing 101. Use old, popular stuff to draw the older fans or fans of older generations in, but also put in new, cool bling bling. Especially if you can combine the old guarantee with the new bling bling to appeal to both groups in one swoop.

And it's not like 1 being the image ace for merchandise means some other Pokémon can't play the role of secondary one. For Raihan it's Flygon, for Leon Dragapult, Marnie Morpeko/Grimmsnarl depending who you see as ace, Bea Sirfetch'd, Allister Cursola, etc.

I do start having an issue with it once someone else is already heavily associated with it, though. No one really has Gardevoir as ace (Wally got 'retconned' into Gallade), and between the last time Gengar and Machamp were aces there were a shitton of years. Charizard is also canonically no one's ace except Leon's (I know someone will say Red, but there's also Pikachu. Whether you see Charizard as his ace or not will likely depend on what you headcanon him as, as he has all three and his ace is Pikachu, not to mention there's also Snorlax), so it's like "Yeah, sure".
 
Let's say Sudowoodo is a pretty strong pokemon for a first gym. It has 410 BST, an attack base stat of 100 and a defense base stat of 115. Not counting it has rock moves against Fire Starter (and all the other Grass weaknesses except Poison) and a Grass tera-move against Water starter. Also, since the first Star Boss has a Lv. 27 Torkoal, most likely Sudowoodo will be at least lv. 20.
Consider the other first gym leaders' aces:

  • Brock: Lv. 14 Onyx (385 BST, 45 base attack, weak x4 to both Grass and Water Starters).
  • Falkner: Lv. 9 Pidgeotto (349 BST, 60 base attack).
  • Roxanne: Lv. 15 Nosepass (375 BST, 45 base attack, weak to both Grass and Water).
  • Roark: Lv. 14 Cranidos (350 BST, 125 base attack, weak to both Grass and Water). [Cranidos has 125 base attack, really?]
  • Cilan & Co.: Lv. 14 Pansage & Co. (316 BST, 53 base attack) / Cheren (Challenge): Lv. 14 Lillipup (275 BST, 60 base attack).
  • Viola: Lv. 12 Vivillon (411 BST, 90 base sp. attack).
  • Milo: Lv. 20 Eldegoss (460 BST, 80 base sp. attack).
Supposedly we'll be spending some of the first 2 hours of the game at Mesagoza before venturing out. My guess its our pokemon will be quite leveled by then, maybe going through a big number of battles in the academy
 
Supposedly we'll be spending some of the first 2 hours of the game at Mesagoza before venturing out. My guess its our pokemon will be quite leveled by then, maybe going through a big number of battles in the academy
Technically it's a mix of mesagosa and the area just before mesagosa. (Also important to note Ka who i think is the one that said this, has said they play games slowly).
Also on the website we see the player's fuecoco being level 15 against the level 27 Torkoal, and I still haven't figured out if thats just the employee taking the screenshot being underleveled because they weren't thinking about that at all, or if thats accurate to what level you would be (Meaning you are probably gonna have to do a decent amount of grinding first).
 
Supposedly we'll be spending some of the first 2 hours of the game at Mesagoza before venturing out. My guess its our pokemon will be quite leveled by then, maybe going through a big number of battles in the academy
Imo the first gyms levels are higher because, now that you can take different routes, multiple gyms will have basically the same levels. For example Grass and Bug will be both lv. 25 and Electric and Water will be both lv. 35.
 
Centro Leaks said that Journeys may be continuing until February then we'll have the Gen 9 anime. If true that would explain why we seem to be getting Journeys-related merchandise for 2023.
Except said merchandise includes the Paldea starters. It's clear that the series isn't ending any time soon and will simply transition to Paldea (with or without the older regions). I am not sure why this baffles people when the Japanese title is Pocket Monsters, just like the original series that spanned three regions.
 
Minor thing but according to Kaka you can trade a Pawmi for either a Galarian Meowth or Perrserker idk which. So uh... good news for any Perrserker fans I guess.
Centro said that this time regional variants (I'm guessing outside of Paldean forms, I'm assuming) aren't needed to complete the pokedex. So instead of having like Persian and Cofagrigus randomly listed separately when their pre-evolutions were listed in the same entry, Perrserker won't matter.
 
Centro said that this time regional variants (I'm guessing outside of Paldean forms, I'm assuming) aren't needed to complete the pokedex. So instead of having like Persian and Cofagrigus randomly listed separately when their pre-evolutions were listed in the same entry, Perrserker won't matter.
the only bad part is that, that might mean pokemon like those never get another pokedex entry on top of their SWSH ones unless gamefreak change their minds.
 
My guess is they'll be treated like alternate forms and be listed under the same entry. I mean considering the only way to get a Kantoian Meowth and Unovian Yamask was through in-game trades and home, Persian and Cofagrigus being needed for 100% the Galar dex was kind of pointless. Maybe it's just streamlining.
 
My guess is they'll be treated like alternate forms and be listed under the same entry. I mean considering the only way to get a Kantoian Meowth and Unovian Yamask was through in-game trades and home, Persian and Cofagrigus being needed for 100% the Galar dex was kind of pointless. Maybe it's just streamlining.
What nonsense, they are entirely different Pokémon. Perrserker would never be treated as an alternate form of Persian.
 
My guess is they'll be treated like alternate forms and be listed under the same entry. I mean considering the only way to get a Kantoian Meowth and Unovian Yamask was through in-game trades and home, Persian and Cofagrigus being needed for 100% the Galar dex was kind of pointless. Maybe it's just streamlining.
That would just be very stupid; they’re different Pokémon entirely, so being treated as an alternate form would run contrary to that fact.
 
Make sense? Like trading a bagon for a horsea?
lol but at least with Horsea and Bagon there was some sort of Dragon connection later down the line :wynaut:

Not that I think there is much thematic thought put into 70% of in-game trades but I'd like to think maybe there is in this case.
 
So likely news drop next week maybe? Next week is the first full week of October. I think I just wanna see the picnic feature and Paradox Pokemon at this point. Maybe other random features.
Oh shit, it's already almost october and I haven't pre-ordered because we don't know many version exclusives yet
 
Oh shit, it's already almost october and I haven't pre-ordered because we don't know many version exclusives yet
Hot take ( maybe not so hot): two versions are outdated at this point. Since B2W2, we don't get enough differences between the games. I think Legends: Arceus proved that single releases are possible and new games should come out like that.
 
Hot take ( maybe not so hot): two versions are outdated at this point. Since B2W2, we don't get enough differences between the games. I think Legends: Arceus proved that single releases are possible and new games should come out like that.
Counterpoint: Most of the worst selling mainline pokemon games are third versions, remakes and PLA. Which is partly because of third versions being the same game again sure, but it also partly shows why Gamefreak are still incentivised to do Two Versions, it boosts sales a lot.
That and I feel two version games do still give cool ideas, the whole future vs past thing would be less likely to happen and potentially might not even work as well if it did if SV was a single game instead of two. Theres also split evolution version exclusives like Ceruledge/Armorogue and Appletun/Flapple that wouldn't happen with single versions. So I do think theres some merit to it, but this comes from a person who doesn't care for getting all pokemon or owning both versions so...

Edit: Might as well add that worst selling is still really high sales when it comes to pokemon.
 
Counterpoint: Most of the worst selling mainline pokemon games are third versions, remakes and PLA. Which is partly because of third versions being the same game again sure, but it also partly shows why Gamefreak are still incentivised to do Two Versions, it boosts sales a lot.
That and I feel two version games do still give cool ideas, the whole future vs past thing would be less likely to happen and potentially might not even work as well if it did if SV was a single game instead of two. Theres also split evolution version exclusives like Ceruledge/Armorogue and Appletun/Flapple that wouldn't happen with single versions. So I do think theres some merit to it, but this comes from a person who doesn't care for getting all pokemon or owning both versions so...

Edit: Might as well add that worst selling is still really high sales when it comes to pokemon.
You can't compare the sales of those with the first main-line RPG's of a generation. They wouldn't suddenly sell less because it's just one version.

Third versions reiterate almost all of the stuff from the first/second versions, and are thus less popular/necessary for fans to invest in. Legends Arceus is a different kind of game, altogether. It had a lot less marketing, too.

Remakes depend on a few factors, because I'm pretty sure HGSS sold quite well.
 
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