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  • I should be up until 2 AM EST tonight, if you'll be on that late. If not, tomorrow at noon will work. Just let me know which one.
    Well, Shaymin doesn't suck. Don't get me wrong. In comparison with most of OU, it sucks though.
    I don't like the way you're using the term "legendaries." Look at Shaymin. It SUCKS. Shaymin-s is terrific, but Shaymin... lol. Legendary doesn't mean good. Jirachi is good. Celebi is good. But they're not Uber and they should in no way be banned from competitive battle just because they're "legendaries."
    Smogon is THE tier list. Any other tier list is invalid. nobody puts forth as much effort into metagame playtesting as smogon does. Their decision is absolute. Look under Bulbagarden's Affiliate list. They have Smogon as one. Smogon's tier list is what Bulbapedia goes by.
    It's 11. And it has nothing to do with Legendaries. o_o; Jirachi is OU. Not Uber. Check the Smogon tier list.
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