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  • Check out my blog for my LGPE review.

    I know that you have no reason to believe me at this point, but I really am going to resume writing this month. I do not want to exceed the "1-year hiatus" mark.
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    First off, apologies - I seem to have missed the notification for this message.

    Yeah, I realized my mistake about the LGPE entries pretty much right away, but the very moment that I went to edit it was when the thread got locked. In any case, I'm just very dubious about the importance of Pokédex entries in general. Perhaps it's just me projecting my own bias, but when I was young I never cared about reading them because I wanted to get right back to the game as quick as possible, and I always feel like other kids would be likely to do that as well. I could certainly be wrong - obviously Game Freak put more effort into them than ever before with SM's Pokédex. But even still, they're just a sentence or two of flavor text, and I don't think Game Freak would let that hold them back if they had some Big Thematic Idea in mind for a new game. Granted that it's not quite the same thing, but for example, the idea that Mew was the ancestor to all Pokémon didn't stop them from creating Arceus (unfortunately).

    I just think that if they wanted to do mascots that represented the seasons, they'd be more likely to create new ones from scratch than to promote two of the birds.

    As far as the birds being affiliated with Lugia goes, I keep wondering about how Game Freak really feel about that idea. The Sea Spirit's Den does allude to it, and I think there was a HGSS commercial that showed Lugia flying with the birds, but I don't think the idea itself was Game Freak's own original notion in the sense that you could like, pull out their reference sheets and concept documents and find it noted on there. While they haven't exactly been opposed to making references to the anime within the games, it has always been in more minor ways like Easter eggs - maybe they're not as comfortable with letting ideas from other arms of the franchise "override" their original concepts? On balance, I do think Lugia being linked to the birds makes a lot of sense, and it has become so deeply ingrained in the wider fan-consciousness that it may as well be canon. I wish that they'd just pull the trigger and confirm it explicitly.

    My understanding is that Solgaleo and Lunala are essentially just aliens that can store/manipulate light. I haven't really seen anything in the games to suggest that they have an innate connection of Earth's sun or moon, and I don't really see how they would, considering that they seem to originate from Ultra Space. Based on what the games say, I think the ancient Alolan people lacked the context of their origin (they just appeared in the sky one day), and so interpreted them as emissaries of the sun and moon because of their body shapes and because of how they interacted with light. If anything, I think it would be Earth's sun or moon that has an influence on them rather than the other way around - right now, Cosmoem's evolution is based on whether you're playing Sun or Moon, but if in future games they make it so that Cosmoem evolves depending on the time of day, you could interpret that to mean that Cosmoem's evolutionary pathway is determined by the kind of light that it absorbs (sunlight or moonlight, which is sort of implied already because Nebby gets suffused with one or the other, magnified through the Altar, and becomes the emissary that matches that kind of light). Granted, the Pokédex implies that it's actually determined by gender, but I think the phrasing in it makes that sound like more of a human perception.
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    Silktree
    I just think that if they wanted to do mascots that represented the seasons, they'd be more likely to create new ones from scratch than to promote two of the birds.
    Of course, but they shouldn't use such mascots to begin with. The "let's prevent a bad guy from changing the season" concept would be derivative, although "let's bring back four seasons instead of just one" might work. You can guess that I am not a fan of the idea.

    Regarding Lugia, it didn't even exist in the Spaceworld demo, and Takeshi Shudo (the head writer of the original anime) claimed to have suggested the concept (probably in late 1998):
    Dogasu said:
    Screenplay writer Shudou Takeshi asked the game designers if he could create a new pokemon to act as a fourth legendary who represents the deep sea currents and, much to his surprise, they said yes. Shudou Takeshi doesn't actually state on his blog that he was the one who designed or even named the pokemon but it seems like the overall idea of "legendary pokemon who represents the sea" did come from him.
    With that in mind, I am not sure that Game Freak ever had a concept that predated the movie, as odd as that might be (they were planning a March 1998 release). The Johto games only had one reference to the bird trio:
    Do you know about the legendary bird Pokemon? Whew! You're hot stuff. Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres are the three legendary bird Pokemon. I heard there are other legendary birds, though.
    It's worth noting that even the prototype maps in the final games lacked Cianwood City... Lake of Rage had a gym instead. What I'm getting at is that Lugia's lore was an afterthought, but it worked out pretty well thanks to the movie and the popular design.
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    Silktree
    Have a look at my ideas for the "ideal" Kanto remakes, which will probably never exist. I posted this on Reddit because there was only one response to my blog entry, but little did I know that I'd be roasted for not giving Kanto a rest. My bad.

    Many of these ideas could be applied to Let's Go Johto, though.
    "I’m not really expecting direct sequels at this point,"

    Why do you think that? Because USUM worked out well for them? Movie 20?
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    The difference is that RGBY have already been remade, albeit much more faithfully than the above examples. I feel that Game Freak would have to go very far to promote a new set of remakes as very different, and that could easily lead to some desperate moves. Sequels would be much easier to pull off intuitively. Not to mention that they wouldn't repeat USUM's concept just a year later.

    And what about the endings of the Alola games? It would be one thing to ignore SM Lillie, but do you see Rainbow Giovanni ending up reliving his past in a different universe? With yet another Giovanni acting as a (humbler) villain? Having two Giovanni would only serve a point if one of them weren't a villain at all. That would make sense in sequels, but would feel very forced in a reimagining.
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    I’m just keeping my expectations at the bottom. In hindsight, I think I was kinda burned by the direction they took with SM/USUM, and I still have my doubts about their ability to handle this project. Sequels are what I *want*, yeah, but I think they very well could just take USUM’s concept to a higher level and apply it to RBY and get people to lick it up. Haven’t USUM actually worked out pretty well for them, for what they are? The Internet fans didn’t like them, but last I heard, they were selling well. And even though you *are* right in that it makes more sense to drop RR Giovanni onto a sequel, forcing something less organic and/or sensible into the plot would hardly be a new turn for them to take.

    I’d love for them to do something that really impresses me here, but I just can’t get myself to count on it yet.
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    Silktree
    Sure, that's understandable. It just makes more sense to go the extra mile for the first Switch project than for the last 3DS one. I doubt that USUM will surpass B2W2's sales (although the difference won't be big), and the former had a weaker base in BW.

    I can (easily) make do without new Pokemon and (begrudgingly) accept no Johto, but I am not going to buy a Switch if Game Freak prove to be allergic to sequels.
    Chapter 7 is up. I am not sure if you've read Chapter 6.
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    Ahhh, I’d forgotten that Mayson was Chieko. Thanks for clearing that up. Ohhh, and that’s a good idea, looking at the biology of Ghost Pokémon. I’m interested in seeing how you’ll interpret that.

    Those bee-drones are a really nice design.

    Regarding the Switch, the discussion is all so dull, but I’m especially tired of the Spain meme. I’m not expecting an announcement for another month or so, personally, although I don’t even have high expectations for the game to begin with.

    Alan? I think I need to see a bit more to really get a take on him. I can see the need for that kind of personality, and I’m willing to be patient with it to see where he goes. Actually, he kind of reminds me somewhat of my younger brother - very much an enthusiastic techie who isn’t too interested in the kind of stuff that I lean toward (detail, story, history, etc.), but gets very excited if you show some interest in his stuff.

    Yeah, Lyra has stood out to me quite a bit because you give her that degree of... how to put it... acidulousness. Admittedly, while I do *prefer* Kris in terms of the game, I don’t have any particular animosity toward Lyra. I just don’t really understand why she exists. Regardless, I think the way you’re writing her is *far* more compelling as a characterization, and the rivalry does sound like an idea with potential.

    I have indeed noticed the consistent inclusion of romantic tones in the 3DS games, though I’m not really sure what to make of it. It’s just kinda there.

    As far as USUM Giovanni goes, ahh... I’m not sure. My impression, on first watch, was that he was simply a Giovanni who succeeded in defeating Red/Leaf (lol indeed), so the battle didn’t really stand out to him. It was just pest control, and he’s gone on to do much more significant things since then. But, I saw somebody else interpret his dialogue to mean that he was never opposed by a young Trainer at all (which would certainly fit with the general suggestion that these guys come from worlds in which the protagonists never existed to begin with). And to some extent that makes sense to me as well - he says “such a thing should never happen” in regards to being opposed by a kid, and doesn’t seem to know *why* it’s making him feel nostalgic. The nostalgia could just be the dialogue leaning on the fourth wall, and his remark about being opposed by a kid could be read either way, depending on where you put the emphasis - “such a thing” could suggest that he’s speaking about the scenario hypothetically and hasn’t experienced it before in reality, or, “should never happen” could be read as saying that young Trainers like this *shouldn’t* be opposing him, but they keep doing it. I don’t know, it’s an oddly ambiguous line, for sure. I’ll need to mull it over some more.

    But I do agree that, for god’s sake, they need to do something more interesting with him next time. What’s the use of all these multidimensional shenanigans if they’re not going to use it to see how certain characters changed if they took a different path? I mean, I guess USUM sort of did that by changing the ending, but if that’s the extent of what they think they can do with the concept, then that’s pretty sad.
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    He was actually very nonchalant about losing to the USUM kid. I guess he's looking for a world without strong kids? Where did his teleporter device even come from? Presumably Aether, but they relied on Nebby...
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    Silktree
    Speaking of Spain, someone has just linked to two theory videos, lol.

    The thing people should remember is that, well, the basis of a region has never been foreshadowed before. How useful were the "reverse waterfall" and Strange Souvenir? They were too broad. Using movie Ash's shirt to allude to the next region... I mean, come on.
    What's that usertitle about? I am intrigued.
    Count Scarlioni
    Count Scarlioni
    Just song lyrics. "Boats on Fire" by Seeming

    Usually if my subtitle isn't a pun or an obscure reference that only I'm likely to understand ( :p ), then it's lyrics, most likely from Seeming.
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    Ah, cool. I should check it out sometime.
    Do we know what happened to Ghetsis's arm? I remember there was some discussion of it among fans back during Gen V, but I can't remember what came of it. His model in USUM just reminded me, because he has his other arm hidden. (Figured I'd ask you since I know you're pretty up on Gen V lore :p )
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    Gosh, it’s been a long time since I’ve thought about that. Let’s see.

    It is often speculated that he lost his arm, but the first thing to note here is that, as of BW, at least, he still seems to have both arms, it’s just that the right one... is strange:

    https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/5/55/Ghetsis_right_arm.png

    It’s not clear as to whether that was an error, or it *was* intentional and his hand is meant to be either discolored, gloved, or a prosthetic.

    But it’s also not just his hand - his VS sprites in Gen 5 and, indeed, his pre-battle model in USUM, show that his mouth is somewhat misshapen on the right side. In addition to that, he has that eye patch over his right eye, which in his concept art is shown to be scarred (or I guess it could be a strange birthmark):

    https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/3/3d/Ghetsis_Concept_Art.jpg

    Something is up with the right side of his body altogether.

    Now, in B2W2, after we defeat Kyurem, he says, “Now I have to go recapture Kyurem, don't I? But first, I'll take down this disgusting Trainer with my own hand!” The fact that he refers to his hand in the singular *could* suggest that he lost it in the two years between BW and B2W2 (if the opening scene of BW wasn’t a mistake), but I myself have heard that expression used generally in both singular and plural, so it could equally mean nothing. It may be worthwhile to mention that in Generations’s recreation of this scene, he is very briefly depicted as holding his cane in his right (but still gloved) hand.

    So whether he ended up losing the hand or not is ambiguous. But that still leaves the question of what happened to the right side of his body to begin with.

    There is no official answer as far as I know. One intriguing theory I have read - I think it was from someone’s blog on here, but I can’t remember whose since it would have been about six years ago - is that he might have had a prior encounter with Kyurem at some point. He must know of its existence somehow, and the idea suggested there was (I think) that the darkened skin on his arm in the BW opening could be indicative of frostbite. In general, falling prone to some kind of Pokémon attack appears to be a common theory, and there is at least one article in which someone claims that they heard Masuda cite a Pokémon attack as the cause. But I don’t know how reliable the article is, especially since they say they couldn’t make out everything Masuda said:

    http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/old_news_archive/december_2012.html

    (It’s around the middle of the page.)

    Still, a Pokémon attack doesn’t seem like a wild guess, especially since he is implied to physically abuse Pokémon (the ones that built N’s castle are said to have been overworked and then deliberately placed around N so that he would empathize with their pain, and of course, Ghetsis’s Hydreigon in B2W2 uses Frustration at full power). But officially, it remains a mystery.

    It’s not directly related, but there were some curious images that Masuda showed off in 2012, of some early concept art for BW. The pictures of N depicted him as looking almost feral in one image, and then looking calmer in a second image but with a discolored/scarred *left* arm:

    Angry/Feral N: http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/518/518940/c20120805_poke_014_cs1w1_640x480.jpg

    Discolored arm: http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/518/518942/c20120805_poke_016_cs1w1_640x480.jpg

    I think Masuda showed off that same Ghetsis concept artwork that I linked to at the same time, so I don’t think it’s necessarily a matter of the arm discoloration being something they planned for N and then transferred to Ghetsis later on. Perhaps they were *both* going to bear these physical markings at first, but then the idea was scrapped or reworked.

    I’ve always found this stuff interesting, but I’ve never been able to find much more on the topic other than what I’ve posted here.
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    Huh, interesting. I didn't know there was so much relating to it. I guess we don't have a definitive answer, but Dogasu mentioning the Pokemon attack I'd believe it's the most likely one (and given how the whole Pokemon world revolves around Pokemon it seems the most obvious one too).

    The frostbite speculation is the one I remember being discussed now that you mention it. Maybe it's a combination of both - Pokemon attack (Kyurem) plus frostbite afterwards, but I guess we might not ever know for sure.
    I'm confused by Gladion's whereabouts in the post-game. There is unused text about him training in Kanto and Johto, but the used version just mentions training (Wicke is the one that hands out Type: Null).

    Lillie apparently stays in Alola for the island challenge. Boring.

    Giovanni doesn't disband Team RR. What gives? Especially given his multiverse dominion goal.
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    "I didn't beat you, but it was still worth it... Going to train in Kanto, I mean. At the very least, I can appreciate your strength a lot more now than I could've before. Thanks, Champ. You've helped make us stronger."

    That is probably Gladion's dialogue after losing the title defense battle. It's pretty odd how he doesn't say where he's going and then just comes back.
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    Serebii doesn't list Gladion as one of the title defense challengers. Is that data unused, too?
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    I've just noticed Gladion go aboard a ship in the credits, which makes it pretty obvious that his destination is Kanto since the ship is the one from SM. I hope that he doesn't actually return for a measly battle, but who knows. He's such a boring character, anyway.

    I'm done hoping for future games. Game Freak can do whatever they want and I may or may not buy a Switch.
    Not to self-advertise, but the initial chapters of my fanfic are up. The link is in my signature.

    I actually have more chapters written down, but I want to revise some of them. Not to mention that it could overwhelm potential readers if I posted everything at once.
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    I feel like noting that the grandiose version mascots only exist as myths in the world I've created. I don't think I'll bother making that explicit, but Teams Magma, Aqua and Galactic are just fanatics that never accomplished anything. Mega Evolution doesn't exist, either. Necrozma has never appeared in Alola, so that crosses out Z-moves, too.

    The other legendaries are okay, but irrelevant. For one thing, the Unova, Kalos and Alola stories never happened.
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    Have noticed a lack of setting descriptions? Someone complained about that, but since no one else did I am not sure it's that big a deal. It will get better when the scenery becomes more interesting, anyway.

    A more frequent complaint is that "the characters all speak the same way." That I can understand, although it's exaggerated.

    My brother seems to be the only one that dislikes Ernest. Hmm.
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    Lol, I spoke too soon. The latest two reviews on BMGf pan Ernest for not being sociable. He will come out of his shell in the not too distant future, but geez. There are some extentuating circumstances to consider here, and a protagonist does not have to be universally likeable right off the bat.
    Hello! Sorry if I was being rude. I was in a rush.
    Count Scarlioni
    Count Scarlioni
    No, no, I didn't think you were being rude. No worries about that.

    You should probably know that I am quite slower in responding to personal messages. I like to put more thought into them, whereas most of my forum posts are more off-the-cuff and made while I'm at work where I have more time at the computer.

    Now to respond to your larger post:
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    I can see why the idea that it's Nihilego imitating Lillie would seem more satisfying, but to me it just feels rife with issues that require a lot more explanation and supposition than the idea that Lusamine's monomania influenced the way she dressed Lillie, and kind of misses what I think is the point of Lillie's arc.

    Yes, it is said that Nihilego sometimes acts like a young girl, but they don't really make anything of this in the games. It's just mentioned in its Pokédex entry, which you don't actually see until well after the main story has finished. Whereas, both Lusamine's obsession with Nihilego as well as her imposed dress code for her children are significant character details that are brought up during the main campaign. In terms of emphasis, Nihilego acting like a young girl doesn't feel very significant. To me, it seems like it's just supposed to be another one of the curious behaviors that the UBs are said to demonstrate for reasons that nobody seems quite sure of. Like Buzzwole's posturing, or Pheromosa's reluctance to touch anything. None of these traits are discussed much in actual plot dialogue, and instead come from the Pokédex. It's supposed to give them personality, and I guess in Nihilego's case, it adds a minor layer of parallelism by way of positioning Nihilego as a potential "replacement" Lillie for Lusamine. Consider the framing of the shot that I've linked at the bottom of this post - just like in filmmaking, the framing of a shot is a form of storytelling unto itself. And here we have Lillie, in her new, independent-of-influence attire, looking at and confronting a twisted reflection of the stifling, abusive relationship that she recently managed to escape. If we read Nihilego as the source image of Lusamine's abuse; as the visage that Lusamine tried to force Lillie into, then this scene works very well on a visual level. It is a physical embodiment of their whole family tragedy. If Nihilego characteristically happens to act like a little girl sometimes, then that really just reiterates how Lusamine's relationship with it is a distillation of her toxic relationship with Lillie.

    I don't think that scene really works as well if the visual similarity is all a result of literally every Nihilego in Ultra Space imitating Lillie who, as far as we know, they've never encountered and have no way of seeing what she looks like, for totally nebulous reasons. It wouldn't, so far as we know, be because it's a parasite - they've already shown and described what Nihilego's parasitism looks like. Images on the Pokémon Daisuki Club follow the depiction used in Game Freak's own concept art for Nihilego (linked at the bottom), where Nihilego latches itself over the host's head, sort of like a hat or a headdress. (Incidentally, I'd argue that this image sort of implies that the Lillie-like jellyfish form of Nihilego is their *natural* form, and *not* a willfull affectation of a specific person - because the concept art says that this is a "typical image of its parasitic behavior," and is clearly facilitated by the jellyfish-like shape of its body).

    So I don't think there's much basis for taking "it's a parasite" to mean "it copies peoples' appearance." Rather, it's parasitism comes, as we're told, in the form of latching onto people (or in Lusamine's case, completely fusing with them) and injecting them with stimulating and intoxicating chemicals that make the hosts want to defend it.

    Furthermore, while Lusamine was aware of the broad concept of Ultra Beasts, she seemed to only care about Nihilego. She never mentions any others; Gladion specifically says that Mohn left behind papers about Nihilego, Wicke says that all of them except for Nihilego and Guzzlord (and we know why that one is an exception) were only first discovered *after* Lusamine opened up the numerous wormholes, and when in Ultra Space, Lusamine says these two sentences:

    "A world where the only thing that exists is the love between Nihilego and myself."

    "How dare you intrude upon this world that was meant for Nihilego and me?"

    I'd argue that those statements pretty clearly delineate a singular obsession with Nihilego. It's just that there happen to be *many* Nihilego in there, so she is also technically correct in using the plural term "Ultra Beasts."

    Speaking of Gladion, I'm not really inclined to rely on the anime's portrayal of his pre-desertion clothing as an adequate representation of whatever Game Freak may have had in mind. So as far as I am concerned, we don't know what he was dressed like by Lusamine. Of course, I think it's certainly possible that she didn't start out dressing them like Nihilego, and instead simply micromanaged their clothing - but then once Gladion revolted and left, Lusamine could have become more unhinged and monomaniacal (Lillie attests to this at one point), resulting in Lillie's Nihilego-esque stylings. But that's just a theory.

    Lastly, when I say "aesthetics, not cosplay," my meaning is simply that Lusamine was probably taking the descriptions she had available and trying to translate them into something fashionable, as opposed to something ridiculous and heavy-handed like hemming rubber tentacles to Lillie's clothes. Anyway, I don't see why she couldn't perceive her employees differently from Lillie. Sure, she also has authority over her employees, but they're effectively just drones from whom she has a professional distance. Lillie is somebody under her direct personal care, so to me it feels like of course the circumstances would be different. Lusamine's whole notion of love has been warped, and her children are the ones that she "loves" most of all. **Much** more than her employees - do you think she interacts with every worker every day and knows all of their names? I think she'd naturally be more particular about curating the appearance of her children than her workers, who were likely already adhering to a uniform code.

    Ultra Space scene: https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AdoredOnlyAmericangoldfinch-small.gif

    Nihilego concept art: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/232/173/0ec.jpg
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    Sorry for taking a while, I’ve been really busy. I accept your point on Nihilego’s parasitism. Though to clarify, while I did mention Nihilego’s parasitism, I wasn’t raising it to support my hypothesis. That said, I think we can both agree that Nihilego’s parasitism has nothing to do with Lillie’s appearance.
    As for the rest, I think it’s reasonable to say that while Lusamine is obsessed with Ultra Beasts, the only UB that she knew of was Nihilego and this as a result causes her to conflate the two so yes I can agree that Nihilego has special significance to her such that she could want to dress her children like Nihilego. I think it is also plausible that Lusamine only became more unhinged and monomaniacal when Gladion left such that it was only Lillie that got dressed like Nihilego assuming that she wants to dress her children like Nihilego. I can also agree with you on how Lusamine could have dressed Lillie the way she does because of her warped notion of love i.e. acting as though she loves the person she is supposed to love (her daughter) by forcing them into her image of the one thing she really loves (UB/Nihilego) assuming that she wants to dress her children like Nihilego. These are all good and valid points on their own but they neglect two other points.
    The first relates to Nihilego’s behaviour. I don’t think it’s fair to just treat this titbit that GF left with us as insignificant. You sound like you know about film studies so you should know that you have to accept that everything is there for a reason when analysing films and that you should not just dismiss whatever is not in favour of your theory just because. To deal with this I’d like to go to a very good point you made on the visual impact of Z-form Lillie looking at Lusamine and Nihilego and how there’s a parallel between Lillie and Nihilego and how Nihilego is in some sense a symbol of their family tragedy. I agree with this but I believe that your analysis can be broadened. You mentioned Lillie’s arc in your post and I believe that that’s something that we definitely have to take into consideration when analysing Nihilego and Lillie’s appearance. That said, I don’t think Nihilego is just about Lillie’s arc. IMO, Nihilego is a convergent point between Lillie’s arc (i.e. her self-realization and how she grows into her own person) and Lusamine’s arc (i.e. family). As such, instead of Nihilego imitating Lillie or Lusamine imitating Nihilego, maybe Nihilego is just a manifestation of the conflict that Lusamine and Lillie faces in the form of some otherworldly supernatural being and that any resemblance between the two is just uncanny? As such, Nihilego acting like a little girl is perhaps just another example of how it is symbolic of all the mummy/daddy issues that it is typical of such conflicts between parent and child. I admit that this leans more in favour towards Lusamine imitating Nihilego than Nihilego imitating Lillie but a problem that I had was that Nihilego is apparently supposed to be “constantly changing shapes”. I can’t find any official statement on this anymore but my point is that if Nihilego is “constantly changing shapes”, how did Lusamine decide that this Jellyfish look is what she had to copy? That’s why I am of the personal opinion that it is just a coincidence.
    The other point that I think is neglected is the appearance of the other Ultra Beasts. I didn’t mention this before but what about how much Lusamine looks like Pheromosa? And how Buzzwole looks like Kukui? And how Xurkitree looks like Guzma? I think all of these Ultra Beasts have as much resemblance to those characters as Lillie does to warrant us looking into them. Building on my earlier point, perhaps it goes to show that Ultra Beasts in general are just manifestations of various interpersonal conflicts faced by the characters in SM. Moving forward, I think it could be interesting to see how the UB further develops and whether USUM would create further links between the UBs and the characters they resemble.
    So Marshadow possesses a bunch of Pokemon at an attempt to kill Ash and the other three trainers. Okay...

    This makes me uncomfortable because it's another case of a movie treading close to my view of Neo Celebi, except... not really because there is no backstory to justify this extreme attitude. Plus, it's small in scale.
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    Chapter 6 is up. It's the last one set in New Bark Town.
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    Hey, I'm going to let you know now that I might be taking a brief hiatus from this site. I mean, my activity usually does die down a bit when a new game is out anyway, but I had a pretty miserable weekend and am actually still recovering from it to a degree. That, and I don't feel like there's a whole lot I could contribute to the USUM threads, and the Gen 8 thread is going to be a purgatory of useless non-leaks until sometime next year, I'm sure. Those being my two main haunts, I'm not left with much to do, and I suppose underlying all of that is a touch of burnout.

    Still, even if I do leave for a bit, I wouldn't rule out the occasional pop-in, and I would still be keeping up with your story (haven't read the newest chapter yet, but as I said, it's been a bad week) and responding to that. So this probably wouldn't even affect you all that much, but I've been bad about my delays and absences before and wanted to try to at least give a heads-up this time.

    Hope you're doing well, too.
    Silktree
    Silktree
    No problem. I hope you recover soon and am happy to listen if you want to vent.

    I'm pretty much just staying around these parts for my fanfic.
    Welp. There goes my interest in the franchise down the drain.

    I'm pretty sure that they did consider a cross-platform release at one point, which would explain Eurogamer and the Switch TBA slip-up. But it clearly isn't a cross-platform release, and a fifth version, even for the Switch, would be ridiculous. I hope they realize that, but who knows anymore.
    Silktree
    Silktree
    I can't get over how they're wrapping up this generation in such a lame way. You'd think that they'd handle it with at least as much care as they did with Generation V, but nope. A third version pair with minimal promotion so that they can release the next generation next year. Nevermind the fact that Kanto sequels could have been released for both systems as early as this year had they planned them in 2015. And such games could have come fairly close to SM's sales...

    2018: Generation VIII
    2019-2020: DP remakes
    2021: Generation IX (Switch)
    2022: Third versions or sequels for the above
    2023-2024: Generation X (Switch's successor)

    Oh joy. Maybe if USUM flop we can get Kanto sequels for 2022. Pretty please? I am not going to hold my breath for 5 years, that's for sure. Plus, considering how old even the VC games will be by then, who's to say that they wouldn't just remake the games again? And even if we did get sequels, would they even include Johto?

    I am only going to bother with the Switch if some third-party company releases a game that I don't have a love-hate relationship with.
    Silktree
    Silktree
    Well, a little time to digest everything has actually made me go back to square one. To make a long story short: I think that sequels next year would make a hell of a lot more sense than a rushed generation. See my reasoning in the sequel thread, which I'm going to avoid for a while due to Bolt. At the end of the day, only about four months ago I expected Stars to be the 2017 game and sequels to follow it. I am unconvinced that USUM really change much.

    After some thinking, I've realized that having Silktree be Lusamine's father... doesn't make sense when Fuji is the one known for wanting to protect Pokemon. He too founded a research center, and we actually know that he was wealthy - he lived in a mansion! And this connection would give Lusamine the idea of creating Type Null, as well as making her return to Kanto all the more potent.

    I'd imagine that Lusamine grew up in Germany with her mom rather than Kanto, hence Lillie knowing nothing about Fuji. Now, here's hoping that USUM don't botch up the story.
    Silktree
    Silktree
    What USUM -do- change is my willingness to spend years on speculating how Game Freak would revisit Kanto and Johto. The ball is in their court and I know they can screw it up by not bothering at all. I also know that if they do sequels, they won't be amazing as they could be. They could still be the best games they've ever done, which is enough.

    That's fine as long as I don't get too invested. I have my own story to explore.
    I hope you are not mad at me for our little Unova lore debate or anything. I still like it way more than Hoenn, Sinnoh or Kalos', lol.
    Silktree
    Silktree
    LOL at the people who think that Game Freak is working on a non-Pokemon RPG for a dated system.

    We're back in the Z era of madness.
    Silktree
    Silktree
    Back to plot ideas: Getting Silktree to forgive Neo Celebi for genocide wouldn't be easy... Or I would hope so! AZ and Eternal Floette's cringeworthy finale gives me pause.

    Christ, I hate XY so much.
    Silktree
    Silktree
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