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Esserise
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    1. Silktree
      Silktree
      Welp. There goes my interest in the franchise down the drain.

      I'm pretty sure that they did consider a cross-platform release at one point, which would explain Eurogamer and the Switch TBA slip-up. But it clearly isn't a cross-platform release, and a fifth version, even for the Switch, would be ridiculous. I hope they realize that, but who knows anymore.
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      2. Silktree
        Silktree
        I can't get over how they're wrapping up this generation in such a lame way. You'd think that they'd handle it with at least as much care as they did with Generation V, but nope. A third version pair with minimal promotion so that they can release the next generation next year. Nevermind the fact that Kanto sequels could have been released for both systems as early as this year had they planned them in 2015. And such games could have come fairly close to SM's sales...

        2018: Generation VIII
        2019-2020: DP remakes
        2021: Generation IX (Switch)
        2022: Third versions or sequels for the above
        2023-2024: Generation X (Switch's successor)

        Oh joy. Maybe if USUM flop we can get Kanto sequels for 2022. Pretty please? I am not going to hold my breath for 5 years, that's for sure. Plus, considering how old even the VC games will be by then, who's to say that they wouldn't just remake the games again? And even if we did get sequels, would they even include Johto?

        I am only going to bother with the Switch if some third-party company releases a game that I don't have a love-hate relationship with.
        Jun 15, 2017
      3. Silktree
        Silktree
        Well, a little time to digest everything has actually made me go back to square one. To make a long story short: I think that sequels next year would make a hell of a lot more sense than a rushed generation. See my reasoning in the sequel thread, which I'm going to avoid for a while due to Bolt. At the end of the day, only about four months ago I expected Stars to be the 2017 game and sequels to follow it. I am unconvinced that USUM really change much.

        After some thinking, I've realized that having Silktree be Lusamine's father... doesn't make sense when Fuji is the one known for wanting to protect Pokemon. He too founded a research center, and we actually know that he was wealthy - he lived in a mansion! And this connection would give Lusamine the idea of creating Type Null, as well as making her return to Kanto all the more potent.

        I'd imagine that Lusamine grew up in Germany with her mom rather than Kanto, hence Lillie knowing nothing about Fuji. Now, here's hoping that USUM don't botch up the story.
        Jun 25, 2017 at 3:30 AM
      4. Silktree
        Silktree
        What USUM -do- change is my willingness to spend years on speculating how Game Freak would revisit Kanto and Johto. The ball is in their court and I know they can screw it up by not bothering at all. I also know that if they do sequels, they won't be amazing as they could be. They could still be the best games they've ever done, which is enough.

        That's fine as long as I don't get too invested. I have my own story to explore.
        Jun 25, 2017 at 3:39 AM
    2. Silktree
      Silktree
      I hope you are not mad at me for our little Unova lore debate or anything. I still like it way more than Hoenn, Sinnoh or Kalos', lol.
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      2. Silktree
        Silktree
        LOL at the people who think that Game Freak is working on a non-Pokemon RPG for a dated system.

        We're back in the Z era of madness.
        May 24, 2017
      3. Silktree
        Silktree
        Back to plot ideas: Getting Silktree to forgive Neo Celebi for genocide wouldn't be easy... Or I would hope so! AZ and Eternal Floette's cringeworthy finale gives me pause.

        Christ, I hate XY so much.
        May 25, 2017
      4. Silktree
        Silktree
        May 25, 2017
    3. Silktree
      Silktree
      forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/m20-i-choose-you.217258/page-59#post-6160564

      forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/m20-i-choose-you.217258/page-62#post-6160968

      A great example of how multiple timelines -shouldn't- be done. Please don't ever do anything like this, Game Freak. I mean, you did mess up the XY-ORAS connection, but at least you didn't invalidate anything major from the older timelines.
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      2. Silktree
        Silktree
        I think that I prefer people ignoring me to their saying "these ideas are fine, I guess" at best and then proceeding to rework them. That's pretty fucking rude.
        May 9, 2017
      3. Esserise
        Esserise
        Well, I personally wouldn't take it as being rude. I'm certainly not fond of their alternative suggestion, especially since it tries to contrive some connection to Sinnoh stuff (seemingly just "because dimensions"), but reading their post just looks to me like they're not feeling your idea and are critical of certain aspects (like it seeming convoluted, which is a fair point that even I raised, and which you then explained why it wouldn't be). I'd say "not everyone's going to like as much as I did" and "this fandom doesn't tend to think outside the box", but I know you already know that. At any rate, what they've responded with is at least better than flatly dismissing it as total rubbish, or something.

        At this point, I just want to know what we're getting. I've braced myself for the disappointment of Stars, just in case, and have already decided how it's going to play out either way. So now I'm just waiting for the signal.
        May 9, 2017
      4. Silktree
        Silktree
        Except that person didn't seem to take issue with time travel complexity (I doubt that they gave it much thought), but rather with the focus on Mewtwo and Neo Celebi. "Too much drama," they said.

        Whatever.

        As for Stars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZher9Az7d4
        May 10, 2017
    4. Silktree
      Silktree
      See my posts in the movie thread (I'd link you if I could).

      The movie isn't even close to a celebration of the original series... Seems like a way to promote Kanto sequels to me, with Ash getting a reboot for the hell of it. I honestly expect Brock and Misty to be in their 20s now, which would explain the odd replacements.
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      2. Silktree
        Silktree
        Also, how contrived would it be if the Magnet Train were closed down, or we couldn't get on it? Maybe I shouldn't be saying that after XY... The difference is that we were never given a reason to care about where -that- train was going (it was described as bringing people to Kalos).
        Apr 9, 2017
      3. Silktree
        Silktree
        lol, I really don't want Makoto, Soji or Cross to bring down the sequels in any way. Hopefully the movie is taking some liberties with their main traits. Well, we don't much about them right now, but they just aren't interesting.

        I just have such strong feelings about Lillie, Silver, Chieko, Silktree and Fuji, and to a lesser extent Lusamine, Giovanni, Bill, Daisy and Eusine. It sucks that I have no real control.
        Apr 11, 2017
      4. Silktree
        Silktree
        Hurry up and post in the sequel thread.
        Apr 12, 2017
    5. Maniacal Engineer
      Maniacal Engineer
      In case you couldn't tell from my Doctor Who reference in my Crackpot Theories thread, I like your avatar. XD
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    6. Morningstar
      Morningstar
      Accurate avatar is accurate.
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    7. TechSkylander1518
      TechSkylander1518
      Oh, man, your avatars are always awesome, but this one really takes the cake!
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    8. Tuoko
      Tuoko
      Pfft. Your avatar is hilarious.
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    9. Silktree
      Silktree
      It seems that some people have entered anti-Kanto mode in full force.
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    10. Eggseggseggseggs
      Eggseggseggseggs
      I see you have taken a liking to Xurkitree. I know you love Pyukumuku too. You have very good taste! What are your other s/m mon?
      1. Esserise
        Esserise
        My other favorites would have to be the entire Litten line, Lycanroc (both forms), Mareanie, Mudbray/Mudsdale, Lurantis, Steenee, Passimian, Sandygast/Palossand, Mimikyu, Bruxish, and Dhlemise.

        And as far and Legendaries and UBs, I really like both Solgaleo and Lunala, as well as Tapu Koko, Tapu Bulu, and Tapu Fini (Tapu Lele is fine but I don't like it as much as the others), and then Nihilego (of course), Buzzwole, and Pheromosa.

        EDIT: Oh, and the Jangmo-o line has grown on me quite a lot, too.
        Nov 30, 2016
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    11. Silktree
      Silktree
      It figures that some people would complain about Sun and Moon getting a third version over XY. I won't deny that XY are the games that "need" it more, but this move is not about "fixing" anything. It is childish to see it that way.

      Sun and Moon are obviously easier to upgrade than XY are, and a lot more people are interested in them. That's all there is to it.
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      2. Silktree
        Silktree
        It would be cool if Hau's father were part of the new Elite Four...
        Mar 25, 2017
      3. Esserise
        Esserise
        > The construction lots just mean that Game Freak considered something at some point. Be it for SM or for a hypothetical follow-up.

        Not that it actually matters, but I shudder to think of the fandom reaction were the lots to pan out to nothing. The new Power Plants/Couriway Station.

        But no, nobody call attention to them in the games. They're just lying there.

        > [Hau's dad]

        I agree that it's not completely clear as to where Hau's dad is, but associative property and the fact that Kanto is relevant to several SM characters leads my gut to think that his dad would be in Kanto too. Him being an Elite Four would be really cool - and narratively, it could make for a nice surprise for Hau. Maybe he's not expecting to find his dad in Kanto; as you say, Lillie seems to be his priority (though to be completely honest, I wouldn't mind if they just dropped that angle entirely and we didn't see Hau at all - his last-minute crush on Lillie was hard for me to believe).
        Mar 26, 2017
      4. Silktree
        Silktree
        Inaccessible locations are annoying, but people who obsess over them need to get a grip. Not every location out there is a must-see experience. We've been waiting 21+ years for the Vermilion lot, by the way.

        I don't want Hau to have an actual role, as he is rather one-note. I'm still considering what should be done with a new rival, as I don't see Lillie filling that role.
        Mar 26, 2017
    12. Silktree
      Silktree
      For some reason I can't reply here or post anything too long. How do you do it?

      Anyway, I still think that a plot revolving around a deadly epidemic would be a very refreshing change of pace. Perhaps Lusamine ends up spreading her disease unintentionally? Maybe her symptoms will be even worse in Stars.
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      2. Silktree
        Silktree
        I am not sure that it's preferable to strike while the iron is out if the idea is to continue the Kanto/Johto promotion until late 2018 and even beyond. I think it would be fitting to announce sequels on the VC release date, as was the case for Sun and Moon. If they re-release GSC next year and use them to announce Stars... meh.

        Things are pretty confusing with the way they're simultaneously promoting a new generation alongside old ones. Granted, popular old Pokemon get toy releases pretty frequently, but an old generation being singled out is rare.
        Dec 10, 2016
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      3. Esserise
        Esserise
        Ah! That's a good point. Obviously the VCs aren't very "big" releases in and of themselves, so like the RBY VCs, it makes more sense for them to be a supplementary companion piece, of sorts. With that in mind, maybe the idea behind the Go update (aside from the more major motivations) is simply to "reintroduce" the Gen II Pokémon to the public so that later announcements will have a foundation.
        Dec 10, 2016
      4. Silktree
        Silktree
        Yep. I think it's a way to make people nostalgic and just reminisce about Johto without capitalizing on it right away. That, and Go needs more content.

        I wonder if the next Go expansion will involve Generation VII, skipping over four generations.
        Dec 10, 2016
    13. Silktree
      Silktree
      Regarding your last question:

      To be honest, while I somewhat liked the idea of using Necrozma in Kanto rather than Alola, I can do without an "Ultra Beast threatens a region" plot again. They can take Lillie and Lusamine's story in a different direction... after tweaking the story we've already seen.
    14. Silktree
      Silktree
      Having to wait until 2020 for games that could actually bring something new to the table is a scary thought. 2021 might sound like a better fit for a Kanto/Johto return than 2018 chronologically speaking, but waiting that long would put a lot of potential to waste. Game Freak shouldn't take it for granted that people that started with Generation I will still have the same interest in the series as they do now.
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      2. Esserise
        Esserise
        I think I can understand Stars as a strategic move, if their goal is to have something with exclusive content to put on the Switch while not alienating the people that already bought SM-3DS ("Hey, at least you're not missing a whole new game!"), while also being less work for themselves (I'd assume it's a bit safer to get their testing for the Switch done on a port-ish thing rather than a completely new, from-the-ground-up creation). That much I can understand, and hell, it may be the only instance in which I find a "third version" to be ethically tolerable.

        But there would *have* to be Kanto sequels in 2018. If SM are merely getting a third version rather than a sequel or a major rewrite or anything, then I cautiously assume that they wouldn't change Lillie's ending, but the payoff for that simply cannot wait until 2021. 2018 is the maximum limit that I can see for that. And I mean, if they want to play up Necrozma's importance a bit before sending it over to Kanto, then sure, why not I guess. Although - if Stars is going to expand on Necrozma and explain everything about it, would it then even be necessary for it to appear in the Kanto sequels?
        Nov 19, 2016
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    15. Silktree
      Silktree
      Thoughts on my latest post in the sequel thread?

      I am honestly worried now. If Game Freak are resorting to a third version, DP remakes in 2018 wouldn't be surprising. And that would make a generation that started unpredictably wind up fairly similar to Generation III and Generation IV, ignoring the Switch transition (which isn't going to make anything better content-wise).
    16. Silktree
      Silktree
      You haven't replied to my post in the Kanto/Johto sequel thread yet. Fix that.
    17. Karamazov
      Karamazov
      It's okay, we all had doubts about us having a lot of Pokemon. I'll help you eat those hats.
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    18. The Light
      The Light
      Hey! What do you say? Do you agree that the two new Grass 'mons were the best part of the reveal? :p
      1. Esserise
        Esserise
        The whole drop was pretty great, but yes, I think Steenee and Tsareena are my two favorites of the lot, and two of my favorite Gen VII Pokémon overall. :)
        Oct 15, 2016
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      2. The Light
        The Light
        Same here. When Game Freak makes a good Pokémon, they really make a good Pokémon! :P
        Oct 16, 2016
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    19. Meta Boss
      Meta Boss
      @Esserise From
      what I have researched, there seem to be other features that will probably not appear in SM either:

      Triple Battles
      Rotation Battles
      Pokemon Amie mini games (Pokemon Refresh doesn't seem to have minigames, just cleaning and feeding)
      Super Training minigame

      Other than those, I wonder if Soaring is returning...
      1. Esserise
        Esserise
        Triple/Rotation Battles could still be available in some capacity. They may have just been disabled as options for the Battle Spot. But I wouldn't be totally surprised if they removed them, given how little they seem to be emphasized in comparison to Singles/Doubles. Maybe they'll have a one-stop shop for them like they did in ORAS (for Rotation Battles, anyway), and with Inverse Battles in both Gen VI games.

        I don't think Soaring is coming back, and I actually never had a problem with that prospect. It just feels, to me, like Hoenn has a more accommodating layout for Soaring. It's one major landmass with a clear central fixture (Mt. Chimney), and then scattered islands on the fringes. Alola is four separate islands which all seem to be quite large and individually in-depth. It's hard to explain, but like, with Hoenn, you're mostly Soaring over the main landmass, but even if you're over the water, those are routes, with actual material to them. Given that we seem to traverse the Alolan Islands by boat, a lot of the water in between the islands is just empty space. They're not routes. There's just nothing to do. So going from one island to the other involves a fair bit of hovering over a filler ocean. If that makes sense.

        Besides, I don't think there would be any Mirage Spots in these games, which were half the whole incentive of Soaring. "Why not just use Fly?" "Because with Soaring, you can find secret islands!" Take that out, and you've just sort of got an elaborate version of Fly.
        Oct 13, 2016
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    20. Desdar300
      Desdar300
      Hey again Esserise, so my friend and I were running through that Corocoro that had the statement about " How will the Starters and Rockruff evolve" Then I noticed that the Middle stages bios all have something in common all and that's an "affection sentence" What I mean is that it talk about how the trainer himself can influence theses stages turn out.
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      2. Desdar300
        Desdar300
        It's interesting , TPC didn't even hype up Rockruff's secret like Corocoro did let alone allude to what it might be so this might be the case with the Starters Final stages. It seems they just announce the concept to get it out there then move on. I think that the Starters having split forms or at least battle bond seem very likely since we don't know there secret yet.
        Oct 6, 2016
      3. Esserise
        Esserise
        Yeah, I do think it's notable that Corocoro is thus far the only place to mention this "secret," which means that it's not technically something known by anyone who doesn't subscribe to the magazine. Which in turn makes me think it may not be as drastic as we're thinking. Obviously Rockruff's evolutionary forms are unique, but then again, how exactly is that a secret that's "contained in its body"?

        So you know, come to think of it, I really could see it being something like a new evolution method. In the Rumors & Leaks thread, they're currently kicking around the idea that their evolutions might be influenced by having them hold a Z-Crystal. I'd like to borrow that idea and lay out some thoughts:

        1. We know that they're emphasizing the bond between us and the Starters. Lycanroc, if you read its forms' descriptions on the official site, has similar "affection sentences."

        2. Z-Crystals are energized by the bond between a Trainer and a Pokémon, and obviously, are this generation's equivalent of Mega Evolution. But, unlike Mega Evolution, Z-Moves are available to all Pokémon, including the Starters.

        3. Rockruff was curiously depicted as holding a Z-Crystal in its collar in that manga, but nothing so far has explained the meaning of this (at least not that I've heard).

        So, here's a thought - what if the "secret" is that the Starters and Rockruff all have some Rayquaza-like organ in their body that resonates with Z-Power? And what if you evolve them by leveling them up while having them hold a Z-Crystal? In this way, it could be said that their evolutions are "fueled" by the bond with us, being transmitted through the Z-Crystal they're holding?

        Unlike with Mega Evolution, even the new Pokémon have access to Z-Moves. They don't have to use Starters from a different generation (i.e., the Kanto Starters in XY) as a proxy to encourage us try out the new mechanic with our "Starter." And, we seem to run through the Akala Trials early on, probably before we've reached a point where our Starter is getting close to evolving into its final stage. So we should have the Grassium/Firium/Waterium early enough.

        Of course, after all of that, it sort of feels like little more than a way to "force" you to use Z-Moves, if evolving them by having them hold a Z-Crystal doesn't accomplish anything other than, you know, evolving them. So maybe they, as suggested in that thread, have an alternate form for their evolutions, which you obtain by evolving them while holding a Z-Crystal? And the ones that evolve without holding one would have a "standard" form.

        A problem I see with this is that you would think they would have mentioned it when they revealed Lycanroc, and at the moment, it's already wrapped up that extra lore about solar/lunar energy from Solgaleo/Lunala. Of course, it could be that the secret is different, but then again, what's in Rockruff's body that has to do with its evolution? And why have it hold a Z-Crystal in the manga art?
        Oct 6, 2016
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      4. Desdar300
        Desdar300
        Fascinating, according to the riddler the starters and rockruff do indeed share the same secret. The secret seems to be that if their bodies are influenced by Solgaleo and Lunala's presence in each respective version
        Oct 6, 2016
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