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  • Swellow/Corphish still got used heavily throughout the Hoenn league and got two Frontier Brains each, both of which resulted in wins for the Pokemon.

    I honestly wonder if the writers never realized that Torterra never won in its final stage. It was like, why even bother to evolve it at all if it never does anything special in that last form?

    If they left it as a Grotle and it didn't get any win in the league, there probably wouldn't have been as much complaining.
    It was, but it had tons of wins as a Turtwig and a few as Grotle so people didn't view it as a pointless pokemon overall.

    It's kind of funny to go back to early DP when Turtwig was Ash's most used Pokemon. It was winning battles right and left and was used pretty heavily in Gym battles.

    Then again the same thing happened with Buizel, heavy focus around early/mid DP and then next to nothing toward the end.
    Well I am the same way. I don't *hate* Ash's Johto starters the way people think I do, but I do feel they were handled badly and didn't measure up to Ash's other team.

    I just find it odd the writers barely made an effort to redeem them. Bayleef/Totodile just got a, "Hi we still exist!" appearance and Quilava's 10 second battle in the league almost felt like an, "F you" from the writers rather than something that should have been great.
    I noticed random comments from you bitching about Ash's Hoenn Pokemon lately. I figured they were directed toward me although I didn't call you out on them.
    Besides you and Queen Cynthia, I have hardly ever seen any negative complaints about Gliscor.

    People who didn't like Gliscor seemed to at least be indifferent to it.
    Man, I really hope you are joking about Gliscor.

    Gible was really nothing special, looking back it. Another one of those pointless late captures that doesn't really amount to much since the writers saved it for the end of the region.

    Why did they even do that? Phanpy got little to no screentime in Johto, Aipom was kinda pissed all over, and then Gible.
    LMAO, I hope you're joking.

    Anyway you do much speculating/debating here that I find it odd that you never really did this for any TV show before. You act like you've been doing this for years.
    Really I never saw any major nostalgia fanwaking back then. It was always kept to the minimum of select few people.
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