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  • I haven't been following the Game Freak announcement thread much, but are people actually considering RSEmakes even more now despite it being an international announcement? If it is, Masuda would seem really full of himself to do so for just remakes since I recall him favouring Hoenn.
    We definitely need more version differences. Black City/White Forest, as well as Opelucid City and its Gym Leaders *original BW* were a good step, but once again they could take it much further. It would have been nice for example, if the entire region in Pokemon Black/Black 2 were highly technological with tech music rather than just one city.

    Would the free will and multiple choices lead to issues in canon? I imagine people would be wondering what is canon and what isn't, but that could be entirely up to the player. Pokemon in a way is suppose to be our own trainer story, but we know from the standard canon (Red defeating Team Rocket and the various references to him in G/S/C/HG/SS for example, and PCs in general) that they are their own characters. I guess things would become much more vague regarding that, but that isn't a bad thing and is a good deal better than the standard storyline.

    I just hope there wouldn't be a "true canon" that undermines the free will option. Like how Shadow the Hedgehog had different paths with one true canon for example.
    Determinism vs Free Will would actually be perfect for this kind of series, that could even get mind screwy when you consider the actions of the PC being your own free will or not, but I also have my doubts whether they would ever go that far. BW2 was more like an add on to the previous plot, you even need Memory link to get the fuller picture of certain things.

    Hopefully, the plot at least will be well thought out in advance. I kinda feel like BW was the first steps into a deeper plot not connected to badges but then they pulled back in BW2. I want them to at least do something different with the quest on the 3DS, maybe even give us the choice of doing the badge quest or not.
    The really scary scenario is if Ruby and Sapphire remakes / direct sequels release. Can you imagine the horror of people expecting something related to DPPt in the future? Man...

    So, I guess Morimoto's appearance in Smash tonight will be just or battle tactics and stuff. I still wish he (co)directed the game...
    The wait for the announcement is agonizing even though it is only a few days away. If it ends up not being main game related I will be super pissed, but Im certain it will be. Did you see IGN's article claiming that they believe it will be card game related? Laughable. Hopefully Masuda/Morimoto will foreshadow the announcement on Smash tomorrow, which results in the countdown going up so we know exactly what time the announcement will occur. I don't see why Masuda/Morimoto wouldn't foreshadow the announcement especially if its just two days before it. Some people seem to still believe it wont be related to games. The fact the internationally announcement is happening too obviously must mean its game related considering they never have simultaneous announcements unless its about a new game eg. B/W and B2W2.

    Id also say the fact an international announcement is happening at the same time obviously reveals that if it is indeed Gen VI, that it will be released internationally before the year is over.

    What exactly do you expect to get revealed? Obviously we should at least get the titles and confirmation that it is on 3DS. I guess that may be it, but if they decide to give us more then I guess we could potentially see a silhouette, or they could give the names of the mascots.
    Hey Silktree, hope you don't mind the VM. I saw your post here: ("This explains why TPCi was recently forthcoming about Game Freak developing 3DS games that aren't remakes.") and was wondering if you had the exact quote and/or a link to the source of that? I'm just wanting to show it to someone so hopefully they don't believe we're getting Gen III remakes. Thanks!
    Wow, that's so ignorant and ridiculous... :p

    I also hope the mascots are not dragons (a new type is still not out of the realm of possibilities) but I'm not so impatient to see them. I'm curious about them, but I don't want them to be completely focused on as far as the story is concerned. I'd like to see what the theme will be this time though (like contrast and truth / ideals -- definitely not like "space and time"; I wonder if they realized the games had nothing to do with that).

    Most of all though, I hope we'll learn something about how the gameplay will change. And heck, the "checkpoints" -- please let there be an alternative to gyms.
    Yeah, Regigigas is the most pointless of all, but that's beyond fixing (really, it isn't -- but I doubt they'll touch it any time soon). Phione is not a Legendary, so, at least it's not a mythical critter that exists for the sake of existing. As for Manaphy, at least it had its honorary in Pokémon Ranger. A real shame that Creatures pulled the series to the point of extremely questionable canonicity, but the first game was no doubt stitched to fit the main Pokémon world (by Matsumiya himself).

    But even with Manaphy's origin story presented in Ranger, I'll have to agree that its general existence is still untouched. I dare say it's equally a lost opportunity with Shaymin, but for Platinum. Platinum was pointless in almost every level, and the least one could expect was that stories that started earlier would finally take some shape. Same goes to Darkrai and Cresselia. Very interesting background, zero development. The only reason we know what they are is because of their Pokédex entry, but an additional event to explore their myths would be so easy to add in Platinum.

    *sigh*. This is exactly why I want the coming generation(s) to be smaller in number of Pokémon. In the last three, they're constantly inserting elements with potential, but never expand them enough. It's high time they looked at the "big picture" of the Pokémon world and create content based on that, instead of mindlessly raising the numbers.
    I agree that the gradient we're used to should be incorporated. Of course that would mean that it would be a bit like "what Johto was to Kanto". Johto and Kanto often go together for the fact that they share so many elements; and that is normal, considering they are next to each other. However, their individuality (and by extension, the way each "complements" the other theme-wise) is crystal clear. This region should as well have elements from both Hoenn and Johto, but also be unique in its own way.

    By the way, perhaps Chigoku and Shikoku will be two regions rather than one. They could be presented as the origin of Groudon (Chugoku) and Kyogre (Shikoku), although I don't care to see them as anything but a side-mission.

    As for Tohoku, I hope it will be more focused to Johto elements than to Sinnoh ones. Or even better (but less likely), give justice to the Sinnoh legends by improving their background. The Mystri Stage event did just that, but there are still things need to be done for them to become absolutely justified. Oh, and I'm not talking about Heatran or Shaymin. I don't even want to get started with them. Especially the latter, which had a perfectly good opportunity to become neat.

    Also, there's absolutely no doubt this is Gen VI.
    My friend tolds me that there's some rumour on 2ch, apparently after the countdown, a new Pokemon will appear. This Pokemon will make his debut in Episode of N.
    But IMO, I'm sure it will be the new games's names.
    As for Primisect (and especially the Original Dragon), I don't think there has to be a mystery to justify being intrigued by a possibility. Mystery leads to theories, obviously, but there are things just as exciting as uncovering a mystery for many people. I am interested in the Original Dragon because I think it must be an incredibly special Pokémon that would be great to meet. A special event can start from the point of meeting it, just like with any other Pokémon. Of course, when it comes to the GS Ball the event has already started, but it remains a mystery. Which is pretty much why the three cases aren't that comparable.

    I agree with your rank of preferences in the next region. I think Chugoku + Shikoku might be a bit more likely than Tohoku though, due to the (moderate) demand for RSEmakes and the lack of sense in actually making them. But anything can happen.
    What is for sure is that Pokémon's release model will too change somehow. Perhaps the idea of expanding generations of Pokémon fits with the whole idea of more frequent system releases. But then one may raise a question like: what makes a Generation? Which is why I'm led to think that a two-years release cycle of new games may simply lead to a redefinition of how Pokémon are introduced. Maybe eventually, it will be more smaller, more frequent batches of new critters. Like, Generation VII or VIII may be relatively small and come just about two years after its predecessor. To be honest, that does sound more orthodox and modern.

    Of course, something else altogether might happen. Maybe it will be what I suggested previously; a big update (new Generation) followed by tweaks here and there (special event DLC Pokémon) and a smaller update (Generation expansion) before the next big boom. And the "big update" will also be more new feature-rich and fresh. But this is much more unorthodox and complicated, for which reason it makes me think twice about it.

    In other news, have a happy new year! :-D
    A possible scenario is that each of their product lines will eventually adapt to something like a two- years release cycle. When new version of the hardware releases, the previous one will not become obsolete; but eventually, not all games will support older hardware, due to either the lack of new features (like newly introduced input methods), insufficient power, or cease of support from Nintendo. That will make sales of each system more shy, but the total sales (and hence the dynamic of the platform) will be more well spread through the years.

    Another matter is what will happen with the dedicated handheld. I think that eventually, the universality of the platform will reflect on that as well; many games and apps will be cross-playable between their hardware offerings, without distinction of home and handheld systems. That might take a while, though.

    So, does that affect Pokémon? I'd say it affects each and every Nintendo franchise. Nintendo utilizes their hardware better than every developer, and that shows on the adjustment of their core franchises' features to the newly offered hardware. I guess a negative effect can occur from streamlining hardware design for the sake of updates being compatible with their predecessors. For example, will such a business model permit a console that introduces an obscure feature like 3D or a very specific-purpose input method? I guess that is yet to see.
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    Have you heard of Steam? I think this is the closest to the approach future gaming platforms will follow as far as their form is concerned. Instead of being a set-on-stone hardware limited to closed development and a discrete life cycle, they will be more software-based. All major vendors have started to approach this philosophy; Microsoft, for example, has launched Xbox on Windows 8, and the rumored 'Xbox TV' is soon coming in lounges. As for Sony, they have experimented with cross-platform games (the so called minis, and of course their counterpart to the Virtual Console) which play on PS3 and PSP/Vita -- they've also done some work with Android.

    Now, Nintendo is much more flexible in the game industry, because of their long history, powerful franchises and faithful audience. That said, even with a small delay, they will eventually embrace a model close to their rivals' one. If Xbox becomes, say, an entertainment platform with a strong gaming focus, the Nintendo platform will become a gaming-oriented platform with competitive entertainment capabilities. That of course requires expansion of the ecosystem to all universal platforms (Google's, Apple's and Microsoft's ones) as a first step, which is already on the cards. But it will be a while before Nintendo actually releases games on these platforms -- and even then, it's gonna be mostly the typical promotion / DLC - oriented smartphone games. So, the real mystery is what will happen with their dedicated hardware, which will be where the actual games release.
    Maybe they wanted to announce the 'announcement' last week so they could foreshadow more about it on tomorrow's special to build up buzz? I think we should hopefully learn more about the announcement in the anime special tomorrow, they should at the very least acknowledge it. I find it odd that it seems to have only been aired once on TV Tokyo and then nothing else has been heard about it. Nothing on the official website or anywhere else.

    I'll be furious if this ends up not being game related, or if its just related to some spin off.
    All in all, there may be no point of discussing a "one generation per system" scheme, as both "Generation" and "system" terms are bound to change.

    Now, as far as Generation VI is concerned, it may be the beginning of it all. Game A with about 75 critters, which may increase a bit in its following one/two years, introduced by new events and the like. Game B with about 25 new ones from the get-go, and a pause to new Pokémon in the year before Generation VII (again, one/two years after Game B). A total of 3-4 years and over 110-125 new Pokémon.

    Another possibility is one-game-per-generation. Biyearly Generations of about 90 Pokémon, 65 from the get go, 25 through expansions. I don't really like that approach.

    That's of course looking too far in the line. Who knows what will happen?
    You're right on one thing: "Nintendo may be worried about the mobile and tablet markets, which have shorter upgrade cycles than the handheld systems do."

    I think the current generation (3DS, Wii U) is the last of traditional video games consoles (in their current format). I expect 3DS's successor to change the release and cycle format, but that's another discussion. :p

    Now, as far as Miyamoto's statement is concerned, they're usually working on each console's successor right after (or even before) the console's release. The release year depends on when Nintendo will be prepared to launch the new form of their platform. I'd say they're working their way to that with 3DS and Wii U, but I wouldn't be overly confident for a 2014 announcement.

    Of course, Pokémon's situation is also different. If Game Freak is on the right mind, Pokémon generations' format will also change, as we've discussed before. What is for sure is that SKUs will continue to release in more or less the same frequency, meaning one "new" game about every two years. Now, if that means more remakes, sequels, generation-expansions for "in-between" games, that remains to be seen. It's even possible we'll be handling with a non absolutely discrete form of generations, but it may be too soon for that.
    I don't think it would be that weird and it hardly affects the sales too. Maybe it can affect them, but probably mostly positively (just see Ranger: The Road to Diamond and Pearl). In any case, having stated that Pokémon spin-offs partly sell for just the brand name, I think that how well they perform depends mainly on marketing. History has proven that quality doesn't matter as much. Of course, the first Ranger is an example of both quality and good marketing and that turned out great.

    Mystery Dungeon pretty much bombed, despite the fact that it looked well taken care of and was released in a relatively good period. Those numbers aren't bad by any means, but compared to its predecessors' numbers... And it looked that it was certainly much higher budget than the previous iterations of the series too. I think this game really lacked hype. It was released too soon after it was announced (I like that, but consumers apparently didn't) and there was hardly any coverage.
    Maybe so. Everything is so up in the air and confusing at this point. There's always the possibility that there are no spin-off games coming any time soon and that's that reason they did not announce a spin off game there. I was expecting a Wii game towards the end of last year to be announced, but now I'm expecting a Wii U game to pop up sometime later this year.
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