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  1. Beth Pavell

    American Politics Thread

    You can't have it both ways. By your own admission the situation was more complex than, and I quote you once more: "The US couldn't even be bothered to help stop Hitler had the Japanese not attacked Hawaii". In fact, by your own admission, that statement was outright wrong. The US had been...
  2. Beth Pavell

    American Politics Thread

    A far cry from "couldn't even be bothered to help stop Hitler". If you're going to draw historical parallels they ought to at least be truthful parallels
  3. Beth Pavell

    American Politics Thread

    That's a vast oversimplification. While there was by no means a united front on the idea, the US had been supporting the allied war effort in a very tangible way (i.e: weapons) well before Pearl Harbour
  4. Beth Pavell

    American Politics Thread

    Then you didn't pay attention to my post in the first place, because I didn't say anything like that. I said I don't have enough of a stake to take the unfolding news seriously. Which I don't - both in the legal sense that I don't have a vote, and in the figurative sense that it doesn't affect...
  5. Beth Pavell

    American Politics Thread

    Trump didn't create Nigel Farage. Farage has been UKIP leader since 2006 and at this whole Euroskepticism thing long before that. I'm well aware of Nigel's cosying up to Trump these past few years - revealingly, after his single-issue party apparently achieved what it set out to do and Farage...
  6. Beth Pavell

    American Politics Thread

    Respectfully, I disagree. Sure, whoever is in the White House does affect certain issues - climate change being one, yes, trade being another - but what Americans do in their political system isn't nearly as influential as Americans (Especially, but not limited to, American politicians) tend to...
  7. Beth Pavell

    American Politics Thread

    Usually I'd be the first to agree, but the Republican party has been riding a tiger on that basis for four years. Yesterday's events appear to have shown them, belatedly, that riding this tiger's coattails (To mix three metaphors) is a deal with the devil. What happens when the dust settles...
  8. Beth Pavell

    American Politics Thread

    I'm quite sure those rioters think they're re-enacting the heady days of 1775 (Challenge that date; my history of that period is a bit rusty, but I don't care enough to check)
  9. Beth Pavell

    American Politics Thread

    The other way to look at it is as the system doing what it's supposed to do. Separation of powers means it doesn't matter how many Republicans bury their heads in the sand, the voters are having it their own way - as has been amply and amusing demonstrated over the last couple of weeks.
  10. Beth Pavell

    American Politics Thread

    Indeed, yes - although for me the tipping point came with his willingness to deploy the police against his political opponents. I've always maintained I don't have a horse in this race - and as a Brit, I don't - but it is a relief on behalf of my American friends that this isn't set to be a...
  11. Beth Pavell

    American Politics Thread

    I suspect behind the scenes a lot of advisors are spoonfeeding him ways to admit defeat without admitting that most terrible, un-American of labels: LOSER. Which means a constant stream of outright lies sent out on Twitter
  12. Beth Pavell

    American Politics Thread

    I seriously doubt it does. I suspect it comes from an idea that the military should be some kind of bastion of small-c-conservative manliness. The Roman Republic had a similar kind of moral panic, if I remember my history correctly, over the idea that young Roman men were becoming effeminate.
  13. Beth Pavell

    American Politics Thread

    I don't really have a horse in this race, but if Trump did, hypothetically, steal an election, the UK would be in an awkward position (At least from the perspective of the government). I can absolutely see Dominic Raab coming out with some lukewarm flannel trying to justify doing business with...
  14. Beth Pavell

    American Politics Thread

    Oh, and the College of Arms caught him trying to steal heraldry that he had no right to. In the roll of iniquity it's a very small footnote, but there is something heartening about a crusty and apparently obsolete institution refusing to allow arms to be simply bought
  15. Beth Pavell

    American Politics Thread

    I really don't have a horse in this race, but this just bothers me. The authors of the 22nd Amendment apparently were. Others apparently aren't. It's a legitimate question of political philosophy that has nothing whatsoever to do with the American 2020 presidential election. Assuming both of...
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