I meant playing the games as intended, not Empoleon itself. In other words, with actual freedom of choice of moves and teams. This is why I said I would try playing with Walk Through Walls since that's the only way I can think I can bypass HMs.
I feel weird hearing people having trouble with Empoleon. I'm kinda tempted to hack the games to remove HMs (or use Walk Through Walls) just to see how it does while playing how I feel it was intended.
Well, that's what happens if you don't use a Fighting Pokémon. It's like the fight against Totem Lurantis: If you don't go with a Fire Pokémon (hopefully equipped with Firium Z), then the battle gets hard.
Pidgeot, mostly because someone asked me to do a playthrough with it on Crystal and I ended up liking it. Now if only it had a more varied moveset it would be perfect*. Part of the reasons I used to dislike was thanks to the HM system, and I swear if I find a Crystal hack that removes all HMs I...
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