A question about stat change increase (like speed boost) please help!

[WvA]

Hey everyone

OK here is the deal. I know that stat increases work in stages, and that each stage is +50% of start point. So if I have 100 attack, and I use a sword dance, it will be +100% so 200 attack.

What I cant seem to find anywere though is the following:
Is the % increase over the total stats (so Base Stats + IV + EV + Nature calculation) or only of the base stats?

Lets say I have this pokémon:

Carvanha (with ability Speedboost), Neutral Nature
HP - 45
Atk - 90 + 252 EV + 31 IV
Def - 20
Sp.Atk - 65
Sp. Def - 20
Speed - 65 + 252 EV + 31 IV

Question A:
What is the Speed stat after one Speedboost?

Question B:
What is the Speed stat after two Speedboost?

Question C:
What would the Speed stat be after one speedboost if it had a nature that increases speed?

Question D:
What would the Speed stat be after two speedboost if it had a nature that increases speed

Thanks in advance!

 

[Stardust_Trainer]

I'm no expert at thinking about stuff like this but my gut tells me im 99% sure its total stats. I dont look at base stat totals too much but I know that a Carvanha at Lv50 with 252 speed EVs looks like this.

Neutral nature = 117 Speed + 50% = 175 Speed (Done on google, so this isnt my math just to be more precise) + 50% = 263 Speed
Beneficial nature = 128 Speed + 50% = 192 Speed + 50% (Speed Boost #2) = 288 Speed

This is how ive looked at it the whole time. If you know for a fact that you have 252 EVs + 31 IVs at Lv50, their stats should be listed on Serebii/Smogon or whatever comp site you use. Same goes for Lv100. To be even more sure, I use the PokemonShowdown DamageCalculator which lets you input EVs, IVs and level to come out with their intended stats.

 

[WvA]

Thanks for your reply

Reason I want to figure this out is that im running in a tourney and sometimes the opponent does randomly move first, while you would suspect otherwise. I can find info about the stages, but for some reason nobody stated somewere if the % goes over your base or total stats. I had some formula in Excel to compare stats, but it turned out I used the wrong one here as well, resulting in wrong numbers for a speed stat after speed boost as well Figured I could best double check everything again.

 

[Stardust_Trainer]

Im sure its total stats. Ive been caught off-guard like that too so you always have to be thinking about what took place in the battle and make sure you didnt forget anything.
For example:

Is Tailwind in play?
Did I forget im in Sticky Web?
Did he do one Dragon Dance or two?

Then of course there's no way of knowing what set or anything the opponent has so if you think he has a 252 HP/252 SpDef/ 4 Atk Tyranitar Careful Nature, he could actually have some braintwist like 252 HP/252 Speed/ 4 Atk and two Dragon Dances with Jolly Nature even though he survived something outrageous.

 

[TerraTF]

The increase is on the total base stat. Each increase can be seen as a .5x gain. So if Carvana starts at 1x without any speed boost, by 2 turns it it will be 2x meaning double its total speed.

Turn 1 - Just sent in, 1x
Turn 2 - Speed Boost, 1.5x
Turn 3 - Speed Boost, 2x
Turn 4 - Speed Boost, 2.5x
-----
Turn 7 - Speed Boost, 4x

If Carvana is sent out on the first turn of the battle or after your Pokemon is knocked out it will be at 1x speed and take 7 turns to get to max speed buff. If sent out in the middle of the turn via swap out, U-Turn, Red Card, or Baton Pass it would take 6 turns to reach max speed buff.

If you want to figure out its total stat just multiply its stat by the 1.5x or the 2x.

 

[WvA]

The increase is on the total base stat. Each increase can be seen as a .5x gain. So if Carvana starts at 1x without any speed boost, by 2 turns it it will be 2x meaning double its total speed.

Turn 1 - Just sent in, 1x
Turn 2 - Speed Boost, 1.5x
Turn 3 - Speed Boost, 2x
Turn 4 - Speed Boost, 2.5x
-----
Turn 7 - Speed Boost, 4x

If Carvana is sent out on the first turn of the battle or after your Pokemon is knocked out it will be at 1x speed and take 7 turns to get to max speed buff. If sent out in the middle of the turn via swap out, U-Turn, Red Card, or Baton Pass it would take 6 turns to reach max speed buff.

If you want to figure out its total stat just multiply its stat by the 1.5x or the 2x.

See, this is what confuses me: you say ''the increase is on the total base stat. How do you devine base stats? Is that excluding EV, IV, Nature (and maybe move-effects) or including?

Some use the term Base Stat as the starting point before buffs or debuffs (stages), but some use it as the Base Stat (stats excluding EV,IV,Nature, Moves)

 

[TerraTF]

The increase is on the total base stat. Each increase can be seen as a .5x gain. So if Carvana starts at 1x without any speed boost, by 2 turns it it will be 2x meaning double its total speed.

Turn 1 - Just sent in, 1x
Turn 2 - Speed Boost, 1.5x
Turn 3 - Speed Boost, 2x
Turn 4 - Speed Boost, 2.5x
-----
Turn 7 - Speed Boost, 4x

If Carvana is sent out on the first turn of the battle or after your Pokemon is knocked out it will be at 1x speed and take 7 turns to get to max speed buff. If sent out in the middle of the turn via swap out, U-Turn, Red Card, or Baton Pass it would take 6 turns to reach max speed buff.

If you want to figure out its total stat just multiply its stat by the 1.5x or the 2x.

See, this is what confuses me: you say ''the increase is on the total base stat. How do you devine base stats? Is that excluding EV, IV, Nature (and maybe move-effects) or including?

Some use the term Base Stat as the starting point before buffs or debuffs (stages), but some use it as the Base Stat (stats excluding EV,IV,Nature, Moves)

The base stat can mean two things, either the base stat or the total added up after EVs, IVs and Nature. In that sense I was referring to it as the added total. When I refer to Base Speed I tend to put it as Base 70 Speed. The Base Stat for any of the stats is simply a range of about 100 points that after IVs, EVs and Natures that the added total can fall between.

 

[BigBadBatter]

In other words, say it has a total speed stat of 100 including EV's and IV's. Every stage the stat is upped by adds 50% of the original speed stat (of 100)

 

[UB-01 Kenobi]

I don't understand half the useless babble going on in here, this is a simple question guys xD

Carvanha Base Stats:
45/90/20/65/20/65

Carvanha's Stats at Level 50 with Perfect IVs, 252 Atk and Speed EVs, and a neutral Nature:
120/142/40/85/40/117

Jolly Nature:
120/142/40/76/40/128

Question A:
117 * 1.5 (truncated) = 175

Question B:
117 * 2 = 234

Question C:
128 * 1.5 = 192

Question D:
128 * 2 = 256

And for future reference, increasing a stage in Speed does NOT mean multiplying your current speed by 1.5x. That would make the stages

+1 = 1.5x
+2 = 2.25x
+3 = 3.375x
+4 = 5.0625x
+5 = 7.59375x
+6 = 11.390625x

when in actuality they are

+1 = 1.5x
+2 = 2x
+3 = 2.5x
+4 = 3x
+5 = 3.5x
+6 = 4x

 

[BigBadBatter]

I don't understand half the useless babble going on in here, this is a simple question guys xD

Carvanha Base Stats:
45/90/20/65/20/65

Carvanha's Stats at Level 50 with Perfect IVs, 252 Atk and Speed EVs, and a neutral Nature:
120/142/40/85/40/117

Jolly Nature:
120/142/40/76/40/128

Question A:
117 * 1.5 (truncated) = 175

Question B:
117 * 2 = 234

Question C:
128 * 1.5 = 192

Question D:
128 * 2 = 256

And for future reference, increasing a stage in Speed does NOT mean multiplying your current speed by 1.5x. That would make the stages

+1 = 1.5x
+2 = 2.25x
+3 = 3.375x
+4 = 5.0625x
+5 = 7.59375x
+6 = 11.390625x

when in actuality they are

+1 = 1.5x
+2 = 2x
+3 = 2.5x
+4 = 3x
+5 = 3.5x
+6 = 4x

Which is why I said it adds 50% of the original speed stat XD. I was curious about this particular quandry myself actually. Thanks for posting this thread, WvA

 

[UB-01 Kenobi]

I don't understand half the useless babble going on in here, this is a simple question guys xD

Carvanha Base Stats:
45/90/20/65/20/65

Carvanha's Stats at Level 50 with Perfect IVs, 252 Atk and Speed EVs, and a neutral Nature:
120/142/40/85/40/117

Jolly Nature:
120/142/40/76/40/128

Question A:
117 * 1.5 (truncated) = 175

Question B:
117 * 2 = 234

Question C:
128 * 1.5 = 192

Question D:
128 * 2 = 256

And for future reference, increasing a stage in Speed does NOT mean multiplying your current speed by 1.5x. That would make the stages

+1 = 1.5x
+2 = 2.25x
+3 = 3.375x
+4 = 5.0625x
+5 = 7.59375x
+6 = 11.390625x

when in actuality they are

+1 = 1.5x
+2 = 2x
+3 = 2.5x
+4 = 3x
+5 = 3.5x
+6 = 4x

Which is why I said it adds 50% of the original speed stat XD. I was curious about this particular quandry myself actually. Thanks for posting this thread, WvA

The stages thing was in reference to Cloud Strife up above you who did his math wrong (bad apprentice! ), not in reference to your post, sorry xD

 

[BigBadBatter]

I don't understand half the useless babble going on in here, this is a simple question guys xD

Carvanha Base Stats:
45/90/20/65/20/65

Carvanha's Stats at Level 50 with Perfect IVs, 252 Atk and Speed EVs, and a neutral Nature:
120/142/40/85/40/117

Jolly Nature:
120/142/40/76/40/128

Question A:
117 * 1.5 (truncated) = 175

Question B:
117 * 2 = 234

Question C:
128 * 1.5 = 192

Question D:
128 * 2 = 256

And for future reference, increasing a stage in Speed does NOT mean multiplying your current speed by 1.5x. That would make the stages

+1 = 1.5x
+2 = 2.25x
+3 = 3.375x
+4 = 5.0625x
+5 = 7.59375x
+6 = 11.390625x

when in actuality they are

+1 = 1.5x
+2 = 2x
+3 = 2.5x
+4 = 3x
+5 = 3.5x
+6 = 4x

Which is why I said it adds 50% of the original speed stat XD. I was curious about this particular quandry myself actually. Thanks for posting this thread, WvA

The stages thing was in reference to Cloud Strife up above you who did his math wrong (bad apprentice! ), not in reference to your post, sorry xD

That's okay mate

 

[WvA]

Thanks for all your replies, that cleared up a lot of confusion

And you are welcome BigBadBatter, glad to know I am not the only one doubting about this