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American Politics Thread

Gather round, people, I'll tell you a story
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The verdict was barely being read when cops in Columbus, Ohio shot and killed a fifteen year old Black girl who had called them for help. This comes days after police in Columbus took a 1 am helicopter joyride spelling out "CPD" over a Black neighborhood. This whole thing is just playing whack-a-mole and nothing is going to get better until the whole system of policing as it exists is torn down. The rot's at the heart of the system and it needs to be removed.
 
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This whole thing is just playing whack-a-mole and nothing is going to get better until the whole system of policing as it exists is torn down. The rot's at the heart of the system and it needs to be removed.
It's not whack-a-mole. We need guilty verdicts if we want to push for progress on this front. Already, Chauvin's sentencing gave the DoJ the opening to reach deeper at the very rot you mention. Had Chauvin walked free instead, this investigation into the police would be unable to ever start.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department is opening a sweeping investigation into policing practices in Minneapolis after a former officer was convicted in the killing of George Floyd there, Attorney General Merrick Garland announced Wednesday.

The decision comes a day after former officer Derek Chauvin was found guilty of murder and manslaughter in Floyd’s death last May, setting off a wave of relief across the country.

“Yesterday’s verdict in the state criminal trial does not address potentially systemic policing issues in Minneapolis,” Garland said.

The new investigation is known as a “pattern or practice” — examining whether there is a pattern or practice of unconstitutional or unlawful policing — and will be a more sweeping probe of the entire police department and may result in major changes to policing there.

It will examine the use of force by police officers, including force used during protests, and whether the department engages in discriminatory practices. It will also look into the department’s handling of misconduct allegations and its treatment of people with behavioral health issues and will assess the department’s current systems of accountability, Garland said.
 
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The verdict was barely being read when cops in Columbus, Ohio shot and killed a fifteen year old Black girl who had called them for help. This comes days after police in Columbus took a 1 am helicopter joyride spelling out "CPD" over a Black neighborhood. This whole thing is just playing whack-a-mole and nothing is going to get better until the whole system of policing as it exists is torn down. The rot's at the heart of the system and it needs to be removed.
Went ahead and looked up the details of that case. The fifteen year old was in the middle of trying to stab another girl with a knife at the moment when the cop shot her. Not that you'll ever hear any of that in news articles.

View: https://twitter.com/lookner/status/1384706823421374465
 
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Went ahead and looked up the details of that case. The fifteen year old was in the middle of trying to stab another girl with a knife at the moment when the cop shot her. Not that you'll ever hear any of that in news articles.
Seems to me like you might want to look at a bit more of the details. You can watch the body cam footage from start to end at the 6:40 mark.


  • It is not even 15 seconds between the officer getting out of his car and firing his gun.
  • The only kind of verbal instruction he gives is "Hey! Get down, get down!", and he starts saying this to another group of people fighting.
  • He fires his gun four times in rapid succession. Why on earth would he need to fire three more times?
  • This is how far away the officer is when he shoots her:

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I think most adults are easily capable of running over and grabbing her by the arm at that distance.

While the investigation is still underway, reports seem to indicate that Bryant was the one who called the police, saying that the other girls had been attacking her- which would mean this was an act of self-defense, not aggression.

Even if she had been the aggressor, though, violent actions should not be a death warrant. Fights break out between teens sometimes, and it doesn't mean it's right or justified, but it's the kind of problem that needs professional help to help, not a fatal gunshot wound.

And we've seen people who did much worse get taken alive- Charleston shooter Dylan Roof (21 at the time of arrest), Atlanta shooter Aaron Long (21 at the time of arrest), Grantsville shooter Jeffrey Haynie (16 at the time of his arrest)-
 
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It's not whack-a-mole. We need guilty verdicts if we want to push for progress on this front. Already, Chauvin's sentencing gave the DoJ the opening to reach deeper at the very rot you mention. Had Chauvin walked free instead, this investigation into the police would be unable to ever start.

https://apnews.com/article/george-floyd-verdict-police-reform-DOJ-e24dd1a390a781af3495fa1e0271f492
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“Yesterday’s verdict in the state criminal trial does not address potentially systemic policing issues in Minneapolis,” Garland said.

The new investigation is known as a “pattern or practice” — examining whether there is a pattern or practice of unconstitutional or unlawful policing — and will be a more sweeping probe of the entire police department and may result in major changes to policing there.

It will examine the use of force by police officers, including force used during protests, and whether the department engages in discriminatory practices. It will also look into the department’s handling of misconduct allegations and its treatment of people with behavioral health issues and will assess the department’s current systems of accountability, Garland said.
Thank you for sharing that.
 
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Went ahead and looked up the details of that case. The fifteen year old was in the middle of trying to stab another girl with a knife at the moment when the cop shot her. Not that you'll ever hear any of that in news articles.
What made you think that? The media is clearly talking about it.


The investigation is still ongoing. So I'll wait until we have more facts. I don't think this is as clear as that Steve Lookner guy you linked is trying to present it. Who even is that?
 
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Seems to me like you might want to look at a bit more of the details. You can watch the body cam footage from start to end at the 6:40 mark.
  • It is not even 15 seconds between the officer getting out of his car and firing his gun.
  • The only kind of verbal instruction he gives is "Hey! Get down, get down!", and he starts saying this to another group of people fighting.
  • He fires his gun four times in rapid succession. Why on earth would he need to fire three more times?
  • This is how far away the officer is when he shoots her:
I'm sorry, but I don't think any of this is credible, especially the last point. Physically interjecting from several feet and disarming an attacker when the knife is inches away from the victim is, to be frank, the stuff of Hollywood. The officer arrived, saw one person going to stab another in a matter of seconds, and made a judgement that almost certainly saved someone from potentially-fatal wounds. This was an actual life-or-death situation, not an instance of police abusing a restrained person or someone attempting to cooperate.
 
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