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American Politics Thread

A Wild Luxray

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Words can't even begin to describe how sickening the debate was. This was even worse than Trump's debates with Hillary Clinton. It went about as well as anyone would have expected and I genuinely feel bad for Chris Wallace.

As expected, Donald Trump was insanely disrespectful. He couldn't give Joe Biden a single moment to get his point across and clarify, regularly interrupting him and Chris Wallace. He frequently brought on personal attack's against Joe Biden's family, especially Hunter Biden. When Joe was talking about Beau, Trump rudely said "I don't know Beau, I know Hunter." At times, his behavior really got to Biden and even resulted in Biden blatantly telling him to shut up. Biden lost control once or twice and even called Trump a clown at one point, and even the worst president the US has ever had, though I agree with Biden.

There was one moment where Trump couldn't even openly condem white supremacy and when asked, he was like "Well what do you want me to say?" He even told the Proud Boys to stand by. They tried to get him to simply say "I condemn white supremacy", but he couldn't even do that.

Chris Wallace was often interrupted by Trump and he hardly had control of the debate. He frequently had to remind Trump they agreed to a two minute time limit, and frequently had to try to keep the two on subject.

I've never seen anything like it. It was embarrassing, and Trump's blatantly disrespectful behavior and petty personal attacks is largely responsible for why. Joe Biden did have some great moments, though its obvious he was getting very frustrated and losing control, and Chris Wallace had little control. This was so disgusting I don't even think there should be any more debates because Trump has to behave like an absolute child. Well, besides the debate between Kamala Harris and Mike Pence.
 
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I don't have much faith in Florida at this point. =( I don't know about the other two, but it looks like this will be a frustrating wait.
Biden’s leading in AZ right now, and they’re neck and neck in NC. Like I said earlier, states rarely move independently, so if Biden wins one of those 3 states, there’s a good chance he takes at least one more.
 

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Biden’s leading in AZ right now, and they’re neck and neck in NC. Like I said earlier, states rarely move independently, so if Biden wins one of those 3 states, there’s a good chance he takes at least one more.
With Arizona, I recently looked up polls for 2016 vs. 2020. Around the end of September, Trump was leading by 2.5 points. Hillary was generally falling behind, though she gained a slight lead in mid October after the debates, though Trump retook the lead days before the election, which is when the FBI announced they were reopening the case on Hillary Clinton's private email server. He won the state with about 91K votes. Here in 2020, Joe Biden has consistently lead in the polls and with 1 month to go, he doesn't have any major scandals that have shaken things up for him, while Trump has numerous scandals, especially when it comes to his weak response to COVID-19. The Republicans tried to pull something with Hunter Biden, but its clear it isn't working. I do worry that the Republicans are gonna try to push some kind of made up story this month though, knowing their attack on Hunter Biden has failed. Its clear according to the polls and large numbers of Republicans endorsing Joe Biden that Trump is losing, and the first debate has not helped him at all.
 
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I feel sorry for Biden having to debate that overgrown toddler. It sounds like it was a big shitshow where Trump just irritated everyone trying to be the loudest in the room, but thats to be expected. He's just desperate. I would expect Biden to get frustrated and lose control, honestly who wouldnt. Debating Trump has to be like the most irritating thing in the world. Who wouldnt want to tell him to shut up after being constantly interrupted when you're trying to get some words in.

It goes without saying but him refusing to denounce White Supremacy is just disgusting but not surprising.
 

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Watching those 2 buffoons on the debate stage was like watching those 2 muppets ( Statler and Waldorf) that usually sit on the balcony that always argue & heckle the other muppets., but unfortunately for us they weren't as entertaining as Stadler and Waldorf though


President Trump says he has done more for the country than any other president.

I think even President William Henry Harrison has done more.

So did James Buchanan but that isn't saying much though
 

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Watching those 2 buffoons on the debate stage was like watching those 2 muppets ( Statler and Waldorf) that usually sit on the balcony that always argue & heckle the other muppets., but unfortunately for us they weren't as entertaining as Stadler and Waldorf

Were we watching the same debate? Trump was the only one who was having a public meltdown. I can't blame Biden for getting angry at his relentless interrupting.

The next debate might be a bit different, in order to prevent Trump from wrecking it again with his tantrum:

View: https://twitter.com/NorahODonnell/status/1311389477173178369
 

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Yeah, I really don't like the "both sides"ing of this debate. It's clear that Biden was there for a debate, and Trump was there just to make a scene and talk over everyone. It frustrates me that conservatives/undecided voters latch onto Biden calling Trump a "clown", as if that is anywhere as near as bad as all of the insults and indecency that Trump has shown in this debate and all throughout his political "career".

And honestly, if I was on the debate stage, and a man who had employed/benefited from all kinds of scummy, shady methods to stack the Supreme Court was accusing me of intending to stack the Supreme Court, I would probably say "Shut up", too.

It frustrates me that the narrative focuses on two blabbering men and not what was really going on. This false narrative benefits Trump.
 

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Yeah, I'm not a fan of Biden by any stretch of the imagination, but he actually did fine in that debate. Even when it was him doing the interrupting, he wasn't nearly as bombastic or incessant about it; he'd usually stop when Wallace told him to.
 

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I was foolish enough to set a 2am GMT alarm to watch, and I've never seen a form of political television so boring and awful. It was like watching Dr Who as a child, armed with a cushion to deflect all the scary moments, except this time defending against the pure cringe.

Thing is, I actually thought Trump got off to a good start - his line on serving out a full presidency was a good one and a position I'd be very sympathetic to in other circumstances. However, it quickly became apparent that it was about the only decent line he'd remembered from his prep. I hate to say it and it may reflect poorly on me, but Biden's age and stutter-management techniques really did have a deleterious impact on his delivery; not that it matters though, because he still came across as Orson Bloody Welles next to the sheer offensiveness of the ogre stood across the room from him.
 

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First post-debate poll has Biden up 54-41. That’s good, but we’ll obviously need more polls before we know whether it’s an outlier.

Something else I noticed: at Trump’s Minnesota rally last night he went off about Biden wanting to cancel the remaining debates (this is a lie, of course). Today, he’s complaining about proposed rule changes. Since much of what Trump says is projection, I wonder if he’s planning to back out of the debates and pin it on Biden.
 
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Something else I noticed: at Trump’s Minnesota rally last night he went off about Biden wanting to cancel the remaining debates (this is a lie, of course). Today, he’s complaining about proposed rule changes. Since much of what Trump says is projection, I wonder if he’s planning to back out of the debates and pin it on Biden.

I'd be shocked if he'd back out of the next debate. Trump is a colossal narcissist. He can't say no to a chance to appear on TV. And he sure as hell doesn't want to give Biden the whole podium and spotlight.
 

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I'd be shocked if he'd back out of the next debate. Trump is a colossal narcissist. He can't say no to a chance to appear on TV. And he sure as hell doesn't want to give Biden the whole podium and spotlight.

There is talk of muting microphones, if you interrupt.
 

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I'd be shocked if he'd back out of the next debate. Trump is a colossal narcissist. He can't say no to a chance to appear on TV. And he sure as hell doesn't want to give Biden the whole podium and spotlight.
Not to mention it would just make him look worse to back out of the debates since most people know it would be because of the rule changes he doesnt like.
 

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Also I have to make it clear. I am not a Trump supporter at all. I think he's the worst president we have ever had, but I do not wish anything bad to happen to him. This could be bad for him though.
 

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Not to mention it would just make him look worse to back out of the debates since most people know it would be because of the rule changes he doesnt like.

Welp, in the end he did find a reason to skip the next debate.

Anyway, looking forward to seeing him follow his own medical advice.

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