Can Liquid Voice ever be useful?

[L-05308]

Ptimarina's signature hidden ability is a weird one.

"Liquid Voice turns the Pokémon's sound-based moves into Water-type moves."

This ,ay at first glance seem like a water-type Galvanise but that is far from the case; it grants no boost and only works for a small number of Primarina's moves. The only use I can see for it is in conjunction with Hyper Voice, in which case you get a Surf that only hits opponents in double battles rather than damaginf allies.

The only way I could see this ability ever getting a use is if Primarina got Bug Buzz or Clanging Scales, though i think their extra effects and power on a water move are not worth giving up good type coverage moves, nevertheless these moves are unlikely to go to Primarina. Boomburst would be a more powerful Surf but I don't see it ever becoming a tutor move nor do I ever see Primarina getting it.

 

[winstein]

As you said, Boomburst is the prime move to use with this ability, but it might be too powerful since Primarina already have a very high Special Attack. Oddly enough, adding a Water effect to non-attacking Sound moves actually makes it able to be subjected to Water-immune abilities, so if Primarina used Perish Song with Liquid Voice, it will heal any Water Absorb or Dry Skin Pokemon and the effect won't affect them.

As it stands, I feel the best way to make Liquid Voice useful is to subject it to a 20% boost similar to the -ate Abilities and Normalise (this Gen it powers up non-Normal attacks by 20% in addition to turning it into Normal-type).

Thanks for reading.

 

[SpikOriundo]

I'd say that Liquid Voice + Echoed Voice would be an interesting combo, though I'm not completely sure that it would be something I'd use. Put a Metronome in there for the lolz and BAM, echo everyone in their faces. Though I guess it's just a gimmicky ability. One of those that could work in some strange way, sometimes.

 

[Matleo]

whats is it with the oponents sound moves?
if it would change them too into water moves then it could resist them or not?
Immunity to grass whistle would be nice too.

Plus is something has Liquid voice i think it boost all sound moves with 1,5 water stab and

If it only would allow its signature move to get priority or something(the user should be abble to heal own status conditions or something as well)?
(Sparkling Aria inflicts damage. If the target was burned, the burn is healed.
If the target takes no damage from the move, due to having the Ability Water Absorb, Storm Drain, Dry Skin, or Soundproof, its burn will not be healed.)
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Plus Dragon scales would hit fairy type with this ability.

What if Jynx would have this ability? or a other pokemon of diffrent type? imagine.

on one side the pokemon will loose the SE power of diffrent moves types on the over side it will get water stab, its perish song can hit the ghost types.
Would be cool if it somehow boost over way its own signature move.

Sing can put ghost type pokemon into sleep.

Round would hit ghost type pokemon if a pokemon with thisability would learn it.
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If only we would have a starter learning the move Parting Shot.

If only Hyper Voice could reduce the oponents attack status or something that kind.

 

[Almonds]

Ptimarina's signature hidden ability is a weird one.

"Liquid Voice turns the Pokémon's sound-based moves into Water-type moves."

This ,ay at first glance seem like a water-type Galvanise but that is far from the case; it grants no boost and only works for a small number of Primarina's moves. The only use I can see for it is in conjunction with Hyper Voice, in which case you get a Surf that only hits opponents in double battles rather than damaginf allies.

I think that would eventually be the point of the ability, like how Hyper Voice is put on nearly all Mega Gardevoirs and Sylveons because it becomes a powerful all-damaging Fairy-attack.

The good thing is that I guess it would work on Ghost-types and Steel-types.

 

[Matleo]

I think that would eventually be the point of the ability, like how Hyper Voice is put on nearly all Mega Gardevoirs and Sylveons because it becomes a powerful all-damaging Fairy-attack.

The good thing is that I guess it would work on Ghost-types and Steel-types.

Hyper Voice and Sparkling Aria have the same base power?

Or we need to wait for a special sound priority move.

What a pitty that Sparkling aria cant heal the user up when used...
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What would hapen if Liquid voice rises the moves that it changes 20% by power and if a sound move already is a water type move (sparkling aria) then by 30%.
+ sparkling aria would get +20% if oponent is burned and +20 if she is burned too, and could heal her too. (if she and oponent are both burned she would get +40 and also could get healed from her burn)
= that would make a rise of 50% power for sparkling aria (this would outclass usage of hyper voice, surf and even hydro pump and for her) when oponent is burned and if primarina too then 70%, that could be cool if a ghost type uses will-o-wisp on her and if oponent uses the move to burn her - and she uses scald in the first turn.
I could imagine her getting Boom-burst next generations if more new soundproof , throat chop users come into play and moves to reduce sound moves power. Or new ability to block and throw back a sound move at the same time but after your oponents movement (Cave echo, for a rock type), this would allow for a extra turn for a user of such a ability.

Then if she gets second ability like lets say Pixilate then a fairy type hyper voice also could come into play.

 

[Gengarzilla]

-Perish Song is no longer normal typed and can now hit also the ghost types as well?

Sing can put ghost type pokemon into sleep.

Perish Song and Sing already work on Ghost types. It's just Thunder Wave that obeys type immunities like this, and that's not a sound move.


Liquid Voice really is in the same bucket as abilities like Friend Guard and Symbiosis right now, the only actual advantages it has over Torrent are exclusive to Doubles. No Singles specialist will care about Water Hyper Voice not harming teammates, nor would they be crazy about more stops to Perish Song beyond the usual Soundproof.

I will say that I'm interested in seeing anyone try out Water Echoed Voice within casual runs of SM/USUM when Liquid Voice is released though. Super Mystery Dungeon did give me a mild soft spot for that move.

 

[Matleo]

Perish Song and Sing already work on Ghost types. It's just Thunder Wave that obeys type immunities like this, and that's not a sound move.


Liquid Voice really is in the same bucket as abilities like Friend Guard and Symbiosis right now, the only actual advantages it has over Torrent are exclusive to Doubles. No Singles specialist will care about Water Hyper Voice not harming teammates, nor would they be crazy about more stops to Perish Song beyond the usual Soundproof.

I will say that I'm interested in seeing anyone try out Water Echoed Voice within casual runs of SM/USUM when Liquid Voice is released though. Super Mystery Dungeon did give me a mild soft spot for that move.

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Why so late and slow reaction to that statetment?
I wrote it in June?
Maybe you would comment this one, the newest?
Wanted people to read this and not that:

What would hapen if Liquid voice rises the moves that it changes 20% by power and if a sound move already is a water type move (sparkling aria) then by 30%.
+ sparkling aria would get +20% if oponent is burned and +20 if she is burned too, and could heal her too. (if she and oponent are both burned she would get +40 and also could get healed from her burn)
= that would make a rise of 50% power for sparkling aria (this would outclass usage of hyper voice, surf and even hydro pump and for her) when oponent is burned and if primarina too then 70%, that could be cool if a ghost type uses will-o-wisp on her and if oponent uses the move to burn her - and she uses scald in the first turn.
I could imagine her getting Boom-burst next generations if more new soundproof , sound based abilities( add priority like gaale wings ;copy after oponent like Dancer does; copy on start of next turn with immunity(rock type; cave creature)), throat chop users come into play and moves to reduce sound moves power.

 

[Alola]

I think TV Tropes summarizes Liquid Voice's current uselessness pretty nicely:

"Unlike similar abilities such as Galvanize or Aerilate that change a move's type, Liquid Voice does not power up the changed moves. The strongest sound-based move it can learn is Hyper Voice, a normal-type move with 90 Power, while its signature move, Sparkling Aria, has the exact same power and the same effect of hitting through Substitute. While Sparkling Aria still has the downside of potentially healing a burn, Primarina will still have its regular ability Torrent while having the same benefit Liquid Voice provides. Even if the user decides to forego Sparkling Aria for another Water-type move such as Hydro Pump, Surf, or Scald, Liquid Voice wouldn't be of any use."​

 

[lavandula]

Perish Song liquid voice Primarina + dry skin/ water absorb team mate.
Ah... I wish it's available for VGC 2018.

Hyper Voice has same base power with Sparkling Aria, but in doubles, Hyper Voice only hits opponents whilst Sparkling Aria would hit allies.
So it greatly depends what teammates you are using.

 

[TechSkylander1518]

This is more changing the design of the ability itself, but I think it'd be a lot more useful if Liquid Voice was inverted-so, instead of sound-based moves becoming Water-type, all Water-type moves become sound-based. (Primarina's dex entries say it manipulates water with its voice, so I don't think it's that much of a stretch) It'd offer more flexibility (Primarina learns more Water-type moves than sound-based moves), more usefulness (letting Water-type moves bypass Substitute is far more useful than changing type without a power boost), and would still have counters to keep it from being OP. (Throat Chop and Soundproof would block all Water-type moves from Primarina)

 

[Matleo]

This is more changing the design of the ability itself, but I think it'd be a lot more useful if Liquid Voice was inverted-so, instead of sound-based moves becoming Water-type, all Water-type moves become sound-based.

I think that makes some sense but would negate Sparkling Aria totally and that would be bad for the move itself.

Liquid Voice makes sense of transforming the moves into water, but should buff their power and if a water move is already a sound move(Sparkling Aria) then maybe it could buff its effect into healing any of Primarinas status conditions that Primarina got, like burn, and so on.

- Sparkling aria the signature move should heal also the user of the move from burn , not only the target and be learned by more pokemon:
like Politoed, Palpitoed, Jynx learn it would be more good for the ability and Primarina itself.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

like Politoed, Palpitoed, Jynx learn it would be more good for the ability and Primarina itself.

Why would it be good for Primarina? Other Pokémon learning Sparkling Aria would just lead to people using the other Pokémon if they’re more viable than Primarina, and Primarina would be left unused.

 

[Matleo]

Why would it be good for Primarina?

for the move itself it could get then a buff and change faster in gen 8 also then primarinas ability too.
Are the pokemon I mentioned better special attckers then Primarina?

Primarina would make the best use becacuse of stab and high special attack, the other users would only proffit from a water type sound move with stab that really would suit them very well.

Plus there should be a bigger relationbetween its ability and signature move. If you have such a move and ability it should interact somehow.

Water shuriken also was given to another pokemon, did it make Greninja unused? rather not.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Are the pokemon I mentioned better special attckers then Primarina?

Yes. Politoed is very very popular in rain teams.

Primarina would make the best use becacuse of stab and high special attack, the other users would only proffit from a water type sound move with stab that really would suit them very well.

But all the Pokemon you mentioned are also used as special/mixed attackers with STAB...

Water shuriken also was given to another pokemon, did it make Greninja unused? rather not.

Accelgor already has a viable Moveset, and does not get STAB from water shuriken.
Greninja is miles better than accelgor in other aspects. Primarina is not better than Politoed.

 

[Matleo]

Yes. Politoed is very very popular in rain teams.

popular but stats wise its not the best. it would get water stab and boost through rain only.

But all the Pokemon you mentioned are also used as special/mixed attackers with STAB...

Primarina still is a special cannon and wall in one pokemon. Non of them got such outstanding sp.def and sp. attack.

but they also fit to sound related theme and sound based movesets , Jinx is like a opera singer and most learn sound moves and already learns Perish song.
A water sound move would be good against subsitutes for them.
Remember there is soundproof and throat chop.

What other pokemon would You choose instead and why???
maybe Lapras?

 

[Harryghost]

Well, the only competitive use I can see ATM is the use of Hyper Voice over Surf/Sparkling Aria to avoid hitting allies but that's it...

 

[Matleo]

that's it...

I have a feeling that if we get in future new sound moves: increased priority sound move and a sound move to switch out the oponent for other types(ghost,psychic) and Primarina will be able to learn that then people will want it more.

 

[Harryghost]

increased priority sound move

There's Aqua Jet... I don't know much about the competitive scene, but I feel people will still prefer Aqua Jet over said move. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Besides, there's no telling when a certain Ability becomes relevant to competitive players, so that's that...

 

[Incinerawr]

Eh, I don't think so. I own a Liquid Voice Primarina, and the only edge to it is for Doubles. Maybe. 9/10 Scald will be used before it, making Torrent a lot more effective in the long run.

Increasing Water damage in a pinch > making a Normal sound-based move Water.