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Canonizing the Protagonists

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Should the Johto arc and Black and White be ambiguous too? There are many reasons how

1. Lyra states of battling Red.
2. Kris states of encountering Suicane.
3. Hilda mentions starting a journey with Iris being a Gym Leader and want to battle her again.
4. She also mentions Team Plasma.

So probably there are ambiguous protags in maybe all arcs that aren't Kanto's. But if Red is the only canon, why add Leaf? It was probably the choice of what attire was best for them. They may have liked Misty's attire for LGPE but they are unsure of adding LGPE players because of some plot holes. They include:
1. The events of RBY taking after the games but the Johto arc states Red was the one who Team Rocket.
2. Cycling Road becoming Buddy Road but stays Cycling Road like 1-2 yrs. later.
3. Mina is 13-15 yrs. old but 20 yrs. later, is 33-35 old as a Trial Captain even though Mallow mentions Capts. retire when they become 20 unless if what she means is that they do other stuff aside from being Trial Capts. when they are 20. Or maybe Mina lied about her age and is actually a criminal or Mallow has the Mandela effect where she thinks Trial Capts. retire when they're 20 when in reality, she was informed that Capts. start planning some grown-up activity and retire at 65.

But now let's move onto May and Barry. As stated by Absol-utley PM, DeNA relied on the ORAS E3 trailer meaning she has a Torchic too. I theorizes that May somehow recieved the Mudkip left but didn't use it in battle. Barry, on the other hand, states that his Piplup didn't listen to him and didn't mention what starter he got from battling the Starly. This proofs likely that he got his starter traded whereas Dawn got her Turtwig from using her to battle the Starly.
 
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Should the Johto arc and Black and White be ambiguous too? There are many reasons how

1. Lyra states of battling Red.
2. Kris states of encountering Suicane.
3. Hilda mentions starting a journey with Iris being a Gym Leader and want to battle her again.
4. She also mentions Team Plasma.

So probably there are ambiguous protags in maybe all arcs that aren't Kanto's. But if Red is the only canon, why add Leaf? It was probably the choice of what attire was best for them. They may have liked Misty's attire for LGPE but they are unsure of adding LGPE players because of some plot holes. They include:
1. The events of RBY taking after the games but the Johto arc states Red was the one who Team Rocket.
2. Cycling Road becoming Buddy Road but stays Cycling Road like 1-2 yrs. later.
3. Mina is 13-15 yrs. old but 20 yrs. later, is 33-35 old as a Trial Captain even though Mallow mentions Capts. retire when they become 20 unless if what she means is that they do other stuff aside from being Trial Capts. when they are 20. Or maybe Mina lied about her age and is actually a criminal or Mallow has the Mandela effect where she thinks Trial Capts. retire when they're 20 when in reality, she was informed that Capts. start planning some grown-up activity and retire at 65.

But now let's move onto May and Barry. As stated by Absol-utley PM, DeNA relied on the ORAS E3 trailer meaning she has a Torchic too. I theorizes that May somehow recieved the Mudkip left but didn't use it in battle. Barry, on the other hand, states that his Piplup didn't listen to him and didn't mention what starter he got from battling the Starly. This proofs likely that he got his starter traded whereas Dawn got her Turtwig from using her to battle the Starly.
When I put ambiguous, that means both PCs have indicated that they have relationships or have been a part of events that are exclusively associated with the protagonist role of their respective games. This is what I primarily consider because multiple PC pairs, especially when Masters was in its infancy, each mentioned attributes that could be associated with the protagonist but, since they are either nonspecific or not unique to the protagonist role of their games, I tend to disregard those.

That's why I don't consider Unova or Johto to be ambiguous. While Hilda has fought Iris, Hilda demonstrates that she had little involvement in BW's plot to the point of knowing nothing about who N is. Meanwhile, Hilbert was involved in the character development of both Cheren and N as well as bringing down Team Plasma and looking for the latter afterward. And though I will admit that Lyra's admission of fighting Red had me believing she was Johto's protagonist for a while, the fact that she specifies nothing else about the battle indicates that it was not the big fight on Mt. Silver. Furthermore, she is the grandaughter of the daycare couple, while Ethan simply refers to them as "friends", and the latter was the one with the plot-centric rivalry with Silver, being held partially responsible for Silver's character development as a result.
 
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