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Gen I:
Butch- I prefer Eric Stuart's rendition to James Carter Cathcart's out of the two (I'm surprised given how TPCi has given multiple characters too many voices for my tastes in media, Butch only stuck with 1 VA like 4Kids did here), but I think this is someone who deserved better, and didn't get it. His original dub voice is very funny, though, and shows his original English VA's range is wide to come up with this unique take, but I'm not sure Harvey Fierstein impression was the right voice to go with here (and they just did an originally knock-off imitation of it afterward, as with most roles they took over, though that still sounds better than the Dr. Namba portrayal in JN's dub to me)!
Red- Michele Knotz's voice acting is raspy, unclear, and throaty, like Sarah Natochenny's Ash for large portions of BF-DP as well as when she yells to this day or has to emote, even if she's the only VA they cast properly in giving a woman the role in 2008 here, while Bryce Papenbrook's acting is the best and voice clearest of the three in Origins but he sounds more like a 13 year old than a 10 year old, and Thompson's Red sounds both too old AND too raspy (the worst of both worlds) in 2018 in SSB Ultimate to me. I wonder if they had assigned him Veronica Taylor's AG Ash voice on Isamu Akai from "Lights, Camerupt, Action" if that would've actually worked here, sometimes? I didn't think any of the 3 VAs was ideal, but Papenbrook was the least bad to me.
Lt. Surge- Again, I prefer Maddie Blaustein's 1999 rendition to Patrick Seitz's Autopilot 2019 rendition in Masters with stiff deliveries from Bang Zoom, but I can't help but think Surge never got the proper rendition in English here.
Gen II: No one, Eusine has Dan Green for those who don't like Ted Lewis or Kyle Hebert in the part (I don't see what the issue was with Ted Lewis at all though, but agree with the majority that said he was the best of the 3 English VAs, with Kyle Hebert in last place on the other hand for the right reasons).
Gen III: No one, Morrison was probably the worst but Sean Schemmel still did a serviceable job (no, Dogasu, I don't agree w/you here), they found a use for the King Kai voice but also toned it down for once, and it actually FIT this role IMO.
Gen IV:
Kenny- I hate both Rhonda Krempa and Erica Schroeder in the role, really: Krempa sounds like an elementary schoolgirl with a cold, while Schroeder sounds like 4Kids Luffy with a sore throat in a blender. This is someone that I think 4Kids would've done a better job with had they dubbed DP, believe it or not, pretty sure they would not have assigned this role to Erica despite her being in their roster unlike DuArt/TPCi. They would've probably given this role to Amy Birnbaum, IMO.
Gardenia- A perfect example of how much the voice acting/direction fell off the cliff in the late TAJ dub from the 4Kids dub, right here, Lara Starr Rigores' acting is deadpan and the voice feels too lifeless to fit, while the other VA sounds too high pitched and cutesy. See above, I think this role would've probably gone to Veronica Taylor if 4Kids had lasted post-Gen 3 and sounded like a cross between Delia & May.
Gen V:
Skyla- Sarah Natochenny was a much better Cheryl in Gen IV than this...this, I don't know what to say, she sounds attractive and pretty but it doesn't match the Flying-type trainer's attitude very well or mesh with her more outgoing persona well, and the Generations VA, didn't even try and read the lines off the page in a monotone way. Lisa Ortiz probably would've landed this role if the original dub had reached here, IMO.
Gen VI:
Olympia- Sounds way too old in English, too gruff, and too menacing even...they could've done so much better.
Ramos- Do I need to say anything? Stereotypical southern accented by NY VA rendition, total miscast. Masters wasn't any better, either, vs Salerno- same issue, from LA (TX should try this one, seriously).
Gen VII:
Kukui- Not that Abe Goldfarb is a bad VA or anything, but come ON, he's supposed to be in Pokemon Hawaii and he sounds like a generic guy off the street in the dub. It's so bland, forgettable, and dry, the only part he seems to get is the kind side but everything else is a misfire here.
Samson Oak- Marc Thompson made him sound like a Pirate, that is all, not at ALL what I had in mind. It's better than giving JCC this Oak, but miscast.
Rotom Dex- Roger Callagy sounded okay at first, but it quickly deteriorated into sounding like he inhaled helium as it went on, way high too pitched and annoying.
Gen VIII:
Goh- Zeno Robinson is a fine VA, but here, he sounded so scratchy, raspy, and forced. I think Goh deserved a better English dub portrayal than this, his seiyu does such a better job at sounding much more like a boy Ash's age to me.
Raihan- I don't like any of the 3, Mike Dent is probably the best in Masters but has a faux-British accent for some reason, Danny Kramer sounds nasally and snooty, while Nazeeh Tarsha is just really bland, too high-pitched in voice, and generic. They could've done so much better, IMO.
TR Rotom Dex- I'll just leave this here, it speaks for itself, Lisa Ortiz speaking like a 2 year old baby is NOT what I had in mind: dreadnaw,, the BITE POKEMON.
Butch- I prefer Eric Stuart's rendition to James Carter Cathcart's out of the two (I'm surprised given how TPCi has given multiple characters too many voices for my tastes in media, Butch only stuck with 1 VA like 4Kids did here), but I think this is someone who deserved better, and didn't get it. His original dub voice is very funny, though, and shows his original English VA's range is wide to come up with this unique take, but I'm not sure Harvey Fierstein impression was the right voice to go with here (and they just did an originally knock-off imitation of it afterward, as with most roles they took over, though that still sounds better than the Dr. Namba portrayal in JN's dub to me)!
Red- Michele Knotz's voice acting is raspy, unclear, and throaty, like Sarah Natochenny's Ash for large portions of BF-DP as well as when she yells to this day or has to emote, even if she's the only VA they cast properly in giving a woman the role in 2008 here, while Bryce Papenbrook's acting is the best and voice clearest of the three in Origins but he sounds more like a 13 year old than a 10 year old, and Thompson's Red sounds both too old AND too raspy (the worst of both worlds) in 2018 in SSB Ultimate to me. I wonder if they had assigned him Veronica Taylor's AG Ash voice on Isamu Akai from "Lights, Camerupt, Action" if that would've actually worked here, sometimes? I didn't think any of the 3 VAs was ideal, but Papenbrook was the least bad to me.
Lt. Surge- Again, I prefer Maddie Blaustein's 1999 rendition to Patrick Seitz's Autopilot 2019 rendition in Masters with stiff deliveries from Bang Zoom, but I can't help but think Surge never got the proper rendition in English here.
Gen II: No one, Eusine has Dan Green for those who don't like Ted Lewis or Kyle Hebert in the part (I don't see what the issue was with Ted Lewis at all though, but agree with the majority that said he was the best of the 3 English VAs, with Kyle Hebert in last place on the other hand for the right reasons).
Gen III: No one, Morrison was probably the worst but Sean Schemmel still did a serviceable job (no, Dogasu, I don't agree w/you here), they found a use for the King Kai voice but also toned it down for once, and it actually FIT this role IMO.
Gen IV:
Kenny- I hate both Rhonda Krempa and Erica Schroeder in the role, really: Krempa sounds like an elementary schoolgirl with a cold, while Schroeder sounds like 4Kids Luffy with a sore throat in a blender. This is someone that I think 4Kids would've done a better job with had they dubbed DP, believe it or not, pretty sure they would not have assigned this role to Erica despite her being in their roster unlike DuArt/TPCi. They would've probably given this role to Amy Birnbaum, IMO.
Gardenia- A perfect example of how much the voice acting/direction fell off the cliff in the late TAJ dub from the 4Kids dub, right here, Lara Starr Rigores' acting is deadpan and the voice feels too lifeless to fit, while the other VA sounds too high pitched and cutesy. See above, I think this role would've probably gone to Veronica Taylor if 4Kids had lasted post-Gen 3 and sounded like a cross between Delia & May.
Gen V:
Skyla- Sarah Natochenny was a much better Cheryl in Gen IV than this...this, I don't know what to say, she sounds attractive and pretty but it doesn't match the Flying-type trainer's attitude very well or mesh with her more outgoing persona well, and the Generations VA, didn't even try and read the lines off the page in a monotone way. Lisa Ortiz probably would've landed this role if the original dub had reached here, IMO.
Gen VI:
Olympia- Sounds way too old in English, too gruff, and too menacing even...they could've done so much better.
Ramos- Do I need to say anything? Stereotypical southern accented by NY VA rendition, total miscast. Masters wasn't any better, either, vs Salerno- same issue, from LA (TX should try this one, seriously).
Gen VII:
Kukui- Not that Abe Goldfarb is a bad VA or anything, but come ON, he's supposed to be in Pokemon Hawaii and he sounds like a generic guy off the street in the dub. It's so bland, forgettable, and dry, the only part he seems to get is the kind side but everything else is a misfire here.
Samson Oak- Marc Thompson made him sound like a Pirate, that is all, not at ALL what I had in mind. It's better than giving JCC this Oak, but miscast.
Rotom Dex- Roger Callagy sounded okay at first, but it quickly deteriorated into sounding like he inhaled helium as it went on, way high too pitched and annoying.
Gen VIII:
Goh- Zeno Robinson is a fine VA, but here, he sounded so scratchy, raspy, and forced. I think Goh deserved a better English dub portrayal than this, his seiyu does such a better job at sounding much more like a boy Ash's age to me.
Raihan- I don't like any of the 3, Mike Dent is probably the best in Masters but has a faux-British accent for some reason, Danny Kramer sounds nasally and snooty, while Nazeeh Tarsha is just really bland, too high-pitched in voice, and generic. They could've done so much better, IMO.
TR Rotom Dex- I'll just leave this here, it speaks for itself, Lisa Ortiz speaking like a 2 year old baby is NOT what I had in mind: dreadnaw,, the BITE POKEMON.
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