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UglyToast

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In regards that no real world locations, animal, or people appear in the Pokémon world. I prefer to keep fantasy and reality separate. Makes the fantasy easier to enjoy for me. Things based on real life things, like region designs and culture, are okay, though.
Didn't they feature real animals on anime in early seasons? Or am I remember that wrong?
 

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While the Saffron Gym arc can be considered classic, when put into context with the rest of season 1, it really doesn't make sense. In Showdown at Dark City, it was established that the Pokémon League approves whether a Gym is worthy of operating due to different reasons, and I fail to see why they'd let a person like Sabrina, who basically kidnaps people and runs her own cult, to be a Gym Leader.

The same applies, to a slightly lesser degree, on the Celadon Gym, where its Gym Trainers were guilty of abusing their authority by refusing a challenger's access to their Gym just because said challenger had mocked a product they manufactured. They had basically given an honest challenger the middle finger for a reason completely unrelated to their right to challenge Gyms. If that's not abusing authority, I don't know what is.
 

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While the Saffron Gym arc can be considered classic, when put into context with the rest of season 1, it really doesn't make sense. In Showdown at Dark City, it was established that the Pokémon League approves whether a Gym is worthy of operating due to different reasons, and I fail to see why they'd let a person like Sabrina, who basically kidnaps people and runs her own cult, to be a Gym Leader.

The same applies, to a slightly lesser degree, on the Celadon Gym, where its Gym Trainers were guilty of abusing their authority by refusing a challenger's access to their Gym just because said challenger had mocked a product they manufactured. They had basically given an honest challenger the middle finger for a reason completely unrelated to their right to challenge Gyms. If that's not abusing authority, I don't know what is.
Don't forget Koga Gym having traps that can kill trainers and Blaines Gym being in a volcano. Man beside the first three gym leaders the Kanto Gym Leaders are kind of insane compared to every other region.
 

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Speaking of Early Installment Weirdness...I actually always loved that craziness that came in the first season. It honestly felt like the series with the most world-building, yet at the same time, the world it was building was so wacky and out of there, it really solidifies how OS is really remembered well in people's hearts as the series that introduced them to Pokemon. As a first series, it did a pretty good job of establishing all the pokemon and the type of world it was, despite the constant contradictory practices.
 

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Dunno about Controversial but I wish the Anime was like this :giggle:

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Source here:
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Speaking of Early Installment Weirdness...I actually always loved that craziness that came in the first season. It honestly felt like the series with the most world-building, yet at the same time, the world it was building was so wacky and out of there, it really solidifies how OS is really remembered well in people's hearts as the series that introduced them to Pokemon. As a first series, it did a pretty good job of establishing all the pokemon and the type of world it was, despite the constant contradictory practices.

I still love it because it's cynical as hell. Shudo was a mad lad but he knew how to add a bit of darkness to the world without making it oppressive. I remember the school episode having an old student he kept failing and wouldn't quit because he might shame his family, studying alone because the other kids bullied him. He was shown just once. Or the first SS Anne episode where there three different examples of dubious people swindling others; Team Rocket tricking Ash and friends onto the boat, the Ratticate trainer sweet talking Ash into trading Butterfree, and then the Magikarp salesman. Maybe it's for the best Pokemon isn't like this anymore, but I've come to appreciate Shudo's version of the world which was far from the utopic one we have now and was full of weird and even outright bad people. It made the Pokemon world feel less black and white.

The scenarios were often outlandish and inconsistent, but they were super memorable.
 

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I think it's partly because they didn't give free reign to Shudo. I know executive meddling can be annoying, but sometimes it's for the best...

Kanto Gym Leaders were really crazy, disturbed or lacked common sense.

This can be attributed to the Early Weirdness or Shudou's approach.
The games might have influenced this, too, considering things like Clair or Skyla's gyms.

EDIT: Or it could have been backwards... I just remembered Kanto had the least dangerous gyms in the series...
 

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While the Saffron Gym arc can be considered classic, when put into context with the rest of season 1, it really doesn't make sense. In Showdown at Dark City, it was established that the Pokémon League approves whether a Gym is worthy of operating due to different reasons, and I fail to see why they'd let a person like Sabrina, who basically kidnaps people and runs her own cult, to be a Gym Leader.

The same applies, to a slightly lesser degree, on the Celadon Gym, where its Gym Trainers were guilty of abusing their authority by refusing a challenger's access to their Gym just because said challenger had mocked a product they manufactured. They had basically given an honest challenger the middle finger for a reason completely unrelated to their right to challenge Gyms. If that's not abusing authority, I don't know what is.
For all we know they did inspect the gym, but Sabrina brainwashed the agents into greenlighting her circus of horrors
 

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Standard gym-quest or not, I still would've liked for Gloria to be part of the main cast. I can maybe understand why Selene was in Alola since the main cast was already pretty sizable, but what's Journey's excuse?
Because she wasn't in SwSh if you picked Victor.

May, Dawn, Lyra, and Serena all still had roles in the games even if you picked the Male protagonist to play as. They all appeared in the Anime

Leaf, Hilda, Rosa, Selene and Gloria we're didn't have any role if you played as the Male protagonist so they didn't appear in the Anime.

Kris (Marina) has been the only outliner so far. Even then that was only in a one-shot special that was completely unrelated to the rest of the series
 

Unireon

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The issue over which Player Character would appear.....

Unpopular opinion.
Despite loving Hikari and her being my favourite companion.....
I'd have loved if they introduced Kouki, or Shigeki to me, as well.
 
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