- Dec 13, 2017
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Technically, Blue and Gary are different characters, but I understand the comparison.So, during the past week I saw the argument that "Ash always wins against game characters" and I didn't really understood what people meant by that, as I don't think the distintion matters that much. Looking at the leagues:
Kanto: The only game character is Gary, who is beaten unceremoniously by someone else offscreen.
Johto: The only game character is Gary again, who Ash beats. However, in the respective games Gary is just a postgame gym leader.
Hoenn: No game characters.
Battle Frontier: Ash wins against all Frontier Brains which come from the games, though the arc is more of a modern version of the Orange Islands Arc to fill time rather than Ash completing all challenges of the games.
Sinnoh: The only game character is Barry, who is beaten unceremoniously by someone else.
Unova: The only game character is Bianca, who is beaten unceremoniously by someone else.
Kalos: The only game characters are Tierno and Trevor, who are beaten unceremoniously by someone else.
Alola: Faba, Hau, Gladion and Kukui are mandatory battles in the games.
So the only cases that could count would be Johto, Alola and the Battle Frontier, and 3/8 is hardly a pattern. There are also many game characters which Ash lost to and to this day still remain undefeated by him: Maylene, Cress, Agatha, Flint, Palmer, Cheren (!), Alder, Diantha, Bertha, Lucian and Drake. I'm not saying that those characters are stronger than Ash, but it is a fact that Ash didn't beat them directly despite being game characters.
And I think the argument was about Ash winning battles against characters from the games when it's necessary for the progress of his journey. Sure, there are exceptions like Maylene and Cress, but Trainers like Cheren, Palmer, Alder, and Elite Four members were just side quests who didn't stand as obstacles for Ash's journey.