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We don't really see Alain training either. He battled against Mega Pokemon with his Mega Charizard X,
Couldn’t the mega battles be seen as battles to train?
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We don't really see Alain training either. He battled against Mega Pokemon with his Mega Charizard X,
True, but what sets him apart from Tobias was the fact that he did get some backstory and an explanation for why he was so OP.Alain is just an overpowered trainer designed to prevent Ash from winning the League. He's not really different from Tobias in that regard.
Couldn’t the mega battles be seen as battles to train?
True, but what sets him apart from Tobias was the fact that he did get some backstory and an explanation for why he was so OP.
Thats not very controversial, Serena has huge hatebase and Misty is fan-favourite.Serena sucks. Misty best.
It's the truth bros. Don't try and lie to yourselves about it.
I really liked the Ash vs Harrison battle. Harrison was a really good opponent for Ash and it made Ash adapt which is always good for character development when battling. Harrison was a worthy winner tbh.Personally for me, Ash's loss to Alain is probably my second or third favorite League loss for him. My favorite is probably his loss to Harrison, because I like knowing that despite losing, Ash technically crippled Harrison by preventing him from using his ace in his next battle, causing him to lose. Also, the Ash vs. Harrison battle was pretty good by the the standards of the day, and I can perfectly but Charizard barely losing to an opponent as powerful as Harrison's Blaziken.
I think that because they are two different people that do two different things in the anime its hard to compare. In terms of companionship, I would agree with you that Misty is better because of the sass and I find AmourShipping boring lolSerena sucks. Misty best.
It's the truth bros. Don't try and lie to yourselves about it.
Serena sucks. Misty best.
It's the truth bros. Don't try and lie to yourselves about it.
Thats not very controversial, Serena has huge hatebase and Misty is fan-favourite.
I'll say I hate Misty, but not as a comparission to Serena, rather as a standalone character.
The way she treated Ash, her Pokemon, Team Rocket and everyone else is my main reason, and when I watched EP121 I was like: There's no justice in this world!
So yeah, Misty may be best compared to Serena. But as a character, I sort of despise her. But thats just my opinion, and I seemingly am in minority.
I personally think Misty is overrated. She didn't have any kind of solid goal to strive for, other than just being a better Water-type Trainer, which literally amounts to just her wanting to be stronger without any means of measuring how well she advances towards that goal, which in an of itself is kind of ambiguous to begin with. Any Misty fans should try to take off their nostalgia goggles for a moment and try to look at her without being blinded by those.I think that because they are two different people that do two different things in the anime its hard to compare. In terms of companionship, I would agree with you that Misty is better because of the sass and I find AmourShipping boring lol
I personally hated Tyson, mainly because of his Meowth. I felt that his Meowth treated Team Rocket's Meowth like literal dirt, something that even he doesn't deserve, and Ash's Pikachu losing to it made little to no sense to me. Also, while I understand that this also applies to Ash's Pikachu, the contrast between Meowth and, say, Metagross, is kinda drastic, especially when the former is the star of Tyson's team and the latter isn't.I felt as though Tyson won against Ash because of Meowth and its Thunderbolt. I don't think that Tyson was that special tbh. But I liked Tyson so I didn't care. I just really hated Tobias winning against Ash.
Yeah Tobias and brain dead gen five guy are who we should moan about. Then again gen five Ash was just as brain dead and unlikable so perhaps it was a learning point for Ash to stop sucking
Not to mention it would feel just wrong for the Power of Bond™ alone to overcome a trainer who worked hard to train his Charizard.
We're looking at Alain's training (or battling Pokémon) but did Ash even do that? No. The maximum I remember him doing is mastering his bond with Greninja by saving a bunch of Spewba.
Ash just battled whenever necessary or challenged by rivals and nothing more than that (except Diantha).
I guess our views differ because we’re looking from different perspectives.How hard Alain worked to train his Charizard is debatable. His Charizard was already really strong when Alain first debuted, so it's not like there was a steady progression in its strength starting from the first Mega Evolution. It was already strong and then became broken. That doesn't really make me think his Charizard is the result of Alain's hard work. It makes me think that his Charizard is just ridiculously overpowered because they really wanted to make him more of a challenge for Ash.
It's also kind of ironic that people have complained about Ash focusing just on strengthen his bond with Greninja and how it overshadowed Ash's other Pokemon during that stretch of the series when that isn't too much different than what Alain was doing for most of XY. Alain only focused on training Charizard to the point where we honestly didn't know if he even had other Pokemon on him until his second battle with Ash, which was a good couple of years after the first Mega Evolution special aired.
I guess our views differ because we’re looking from different perspectives.
You’re looking from the writers and the audience point of view while I’m thinking more from an in-universe standpoint (more specifically Alain’s point of view).
We know Charizard was once a little starter Pokemon which Alain raised to a very powerful (and later broken) Charizard. This wouldn’t have been possible without training.
It isn’t implausible to think that Alain had been training charmander/charmeleon a lot due to his tendency to look for opponents.
Ash’s Greninja would appear OP to a large extent too if we disregarded it’s growth as a Froakie and Frogadier.
PkmnTrainerV said:Do we know that both complaints are made by the same people?
This personally doesn’t apply to me since I wasn’t complaining about Greninja-focus.
I can understand looking at it from that perspective, but it doesn't quite work for me. It relies too much on assumptions that Alain had to have spent a lot of time training Charizard when it was a Charmander and Charmeleon. To be fair, that isn't an unfair assumption to make or anything like that, but I think it's just too much of a hand wave explanation for Charizard's overpowered strength. If we actually saw more of Alain's efforts to train Charizard before it became extremely strong or at least if it didn't become so ridiculously broken by the end of the series, then maybe I'd be okay with it. They are more limited with Alain's screentime compared to a main character like Ash and they wanted him to be a strong trainer given that he faces Mega Pokemon, but considering how powerful he became, I just would have preferred something more solid than assuming he spent a lot of time training Charizard since it was a Charmander.
It also ties into why I still prefer Ash losing to Tobias over how he lost to Alain. Since Tobias was a League only rival, it was much easier for me to just wave off his overpowered strength due to how the anime has presented Legendary Pokemon. Since Alain is a supporting character/rival and shown through more of the series than the League, his strength isn't as easy for me to brush off, especially when there was some clear favoritism towards Charizard/Mega Charizard X.
honestly don't think that Ash was nearly as stupid or unlikable as Cameron was during BW. I'm close to finishing my rewatch of BW, so I'll hopefully be able to expand on that once I finish watching the series again.
It’s a completely fair way of thinking. I just wish we could have more Mega Evolution specials which focused on Alain becoming stronger.
Personally Ash's loss to Tobias felt extremely unfair to me since Legendaries are depicted as being supreme beings which are usually not confined to a Pokeball and used for personal battling purposes, and Darkrai happens to be my favourite mythical so it feels just wrong for it to be used by a trainer.
I just don’t hold an extreme opinion on Alain winning against Ash. I'd have been happy if Ash won, but Alai winning wasn’t such a huge loss for me.
Two things stick out for me-
Unlikeable - takes one Pokemon to Elesa's gym because he assumes he'll win with only one Pokemon. Leaves and comes back with another one... more than once.
Murr said:Stupid: uses his Pokedex to scan a Corpish and a Buizel