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Those weren't releases. They were just left with someone else for training for a while.Both Charizard and Gliscor used to be counted as released, yet they returned.
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Those weren't releases. They were just left with someone else for training for a while.Both Charizard and Gliscor used to be counted as released, yet they returned.
And Greninja is just left with Zygarde to protect Kalos for a while.Those weren't releases. They were just left with someone else for training for a while.
I've been here for years, yet there is still no true definition for being released.
Not really, not at all.This might help.
Didn't you read what I said? Charizard and Gliscor didn't count as released because they were just left under someone's else's care. Just like Primeape, technically. Pidgeot and Greninja were straight out released back into the wild, not left with someone else.And Greninja is just left with Zygarde to protect Kalos for a while.
And Pidgeot is just left with its flock to protect them for a while.
I've been here for years, yet there is still no true definition for being released.
Ash still has Greninja pokeball.Didn't you read what I said? Charizard and Gliscor didn't count as released because they were just left under someone's else's care. Just like Primeape, technically. Pidgeot and Greninja were straight out released back into the wild, not left with someone else.
He could very well still have the Poké Balls of his other released Pokémon too.Ash still has Greninja pokeball.
The funny thing is...I still think that it is the worst defeat for an evil team we've seen thus far in the anime
I don't know if this is a controversial opinion exactly, but I just finished rewatching the Team Magma and Team Aqua two parter. I still think that it is the worst defeat for an evil team we've seen thus far in the anime. I think that the only one that could possibly be worst would be the Aether Foundation arc, but that's mainly due to how I didn't like how they tried to cram in the main storyline from the games in such a relatively short amount of time. Not to mention I didn't like how Lillie's storyline and Lusamine's personality were so drastically different. There is just absolutely no buildup to this final showdown. Even when I first watched it, I was shocked and surprised as to how both Team Magma and Team Aqua could have captured Legendary Pokemon off-screen. They weren't even that competent. The battle between Groudon and Kyogre was also pretty weak and felt too anticlimactic with how quickly it went.
This was the first time the anime had tackled the defeat of an evil team, so I can understand to a point why it wouldn't be handled that well, but it just felt so lacking. It was especially bad that we didn't even get confirmation of Team Magma and Team Aqua disbanding until quite a few episodes later. That being said, I still enjoyed it, even if at least part of that enjoyment came from not seeing the episode in ages, and I actually liked that they brought Lance back. He did basically take Steven's role, which is pretty disappointing, but it also kind of made sense. They didn't even establish that Steven was the Hoenn Champion in his debut appearance, so I think bringing him for this two parter would have felt too jarring. Lance being sent to stop Team Magma after he helped stopped a major Team Rocket operation made sense. Plus, it was a nice little bit of continuity with referencing that Lake of Rage event, so that was pretty cool. If there was better buildup to the climax and Rayquaza was involved, then it might have been a better two parter.
Didn't you read what I said? Charizard and Gliscor didn't count as released because they were just left under someone's else's care. Just like Primeape, technically. Pidgeot and Greninja were straight out released back into the wild, not left with someone else.
Not really, not at all.
Hem...Oh there's a first for everything. Greninja's Poké Ball was never destroyed, and it's clear that both Greninja and Ash can sense each other to a degree no one else has. Doesn't take much for a few strings to be pulled here and there.
He could very well still have the Poké Balls of his other released Pokémon too.
It was never "forever left" there. It was just left there for training and could return whenever Ash felt the need for it. It's not the same as being released: with Charizard, Ash always had access to it. Just like with Squirtle.And let's remember that Charizard permanently moved back to Oak's Lab in BW despite the fact it would be "status quo" to forever leave him at Charrific Valley.
They are not. Like @Pulsaro23 said, "in training" equals someone else looking after the Pokémon and it not being in the wild, and "released" equals the Pokémon being out in the wild. Goodra is a special case of released, since despite someone looking after it, it's not training, but is still in the wild.Why are we arguing about release definition? We all know that words are meaningless when something new happens in the Pokémon world.
We all know that words are meaningless when something new happens in the Pokémon world.
What matters if the writers have incentive to bring the old Pokémon back to Ash. And that's not really hard to do. One could easily write a scene where Ash's Butterfree and Pidgeot manage to return to Ash in the Galar region by sheer coincidence, and then Ash reveals he never actually released them to begin with... and the audience will buy it.
After all, Charizard returns to Unova for no reason other than Ash (and the audience) felt nostalgic about seeing that old flying lizard again.
My friend, words do have meanings, no matter the franchise. That's why definitions exist, to give them meanings. The fact that some people choose to ignore their meaning or the context they're used in doesn't mean that the words are suddenly meaningless, it just means that the person using them is... well, I wouldn't want to be accused of "flaming" again, so let's just say it's a bad thing.
Sure, they could have any of Ash's previously released Pokémon return without any explanation. Doesn't mean that it wouldn't be contrived or poorly written or that people wouldn't find it stupid. At least with Charizard, they actually explained in the episode why he returned: Ash, due to the antics of a Charmander, was reminded of the time he caught one and after he started reminiscing of his time and adventures with him and after his friends told him that they would very much like to meet Charizard and have him traveling with them, Ash decided to have him rejoin his party.
As for "the audience will buy it" part... I think you're really overestimating people's ability to suspend their disbelief and underestimating they're ability to recognize when something is poorly written. In fact, since you brought up Charizard, people were kind of annoyed (and even disliked/hated) that, outside of his return, Charizard didn't do anything in Unova. So not all of the audience would just accept that kind thing.
Missing the forest for trees.
I recall a great many people here once proclaimed that Goodra will never return to Ash's team because it was "released." They thought a new Pokémon, not Noibat, would become the sixth member of the Kalos Team. That never actually happened. Instead, Goodra returned for the League, making it the first "released" Pokémon to be brought back on Ash's team.
Fandom words do not matter when the writer can make them accordingly.
Contrived or not, it's nevertheless an explanation and after a marathon of Suede's Pokémon Journey Videos, contrivances are quite common in the Pokémon anime.
This is, after all, a series primarily aimed at young children. What the older fans demand of logic is irrelevant.
That doesn’t however change the fact that as a major premise of the series is collecting all of the Pokémon to the point that each game possesses a reward for doing so. And while the anime treats them as living creatures, it is a contrived notion that the writers will literally invent situations in which they have a main character release a Pokémon. The series isn’t real life, it is plotted out in the heads of a writing staff. Each Pokémon is as happy with their situation as the plot demands that they be. For them to literally just get rid of a Pokémon that it will never return is the very definition of wasting a perfectly good character especially in a serialized anime as Pokémon.
And as was stated in a later post, it’s an even bigger waste as not only did Butterfree barely get any real development but it’s abili to learn Psychic type attacks would have made it a great asset to Ash in the future. Getting rid of a character squanders all future potential because at that point, they’ just gone, the end.
Excluding the brief moment when he had Muk before sending it to Oak, but yes, that was an absolutely baffling decision from Ash. He gave a strong Pokémon that had just started to obey him to a guy whom he had only met that very day. And for what reason? To become a champion in the tournament that it had just won?! It honestly felt more like that Anthony cheated Ash out of his Pokémon after seeing how strong it was.What triggers me about Butterfree's release is what happened afterwards; Ash had an empty slot on his team, which he filled with Primeape for like 3 episodes? And then he just left Primeape with that Anthony dude and had that same empty spot on his team for eons.