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old post but that's not controversial, even though that is basically all my thoughts on it. Boring, bad, overrated, and Rainchu is WAY better* Pikachu is overrated.
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old post but that's not controversial, even though that is basically all my thoughts on it. Boring, bad, overrated, and Rainchu is WAY better* Pikachu is overrated.
You know, that would actually be an amazing character arc if the producers had the foresight and the writers had the balls to make it good.Go's desire to collect Pokemon purely for collection's sake reminds me of Lawrence III (for those who don't know, the antagonist of Movie 2 - he didn't have any specifically evil goal like evil teams or most movie antagonists, he just wanted legendary Pokemon for himself because he was a collector). Interestingly Lawrence's first collectors item was a Mew card, similar to Go's motivation for becoming a heartless collector. Now Go's methods of obtaining his collection are not yet to the scale of Lawrence, but he is also just 10 years old and just started. The path he is on could seemingly lead him to turn to worse methods of collecting once he finds certain items he wants to obtain (such as legendaries) are too hard to just get in a Pokeball (since he very clearly isn't interested in doing anything that would be hard). The motivations are essentially the same, Lawrence was also quite selfish, and didn't care how his actions impacted the world around him, but just wanted cool Pokemon to have. He even used parts of his collection to try to get an even bigger collection item, just like Go wants to do to get Mew. Again, there is a pretty significant divide between their actions at this time, but it is quite easy to imagine the start Go is on leading him in this direction, while I can't really imagine much of a positive direction coming out of his current actions. I don't really recall anyone being okay with what Lawrence was doing, but its fine for Go. It really is just about the same thing, just without the same technology and with a different portrayal and more direct consequences in Lawrence's situation.
Now I'm imagining Dark Gou. Omg. That would make him an amazing villain.You know, that would actually be an amazing character arc if the producers had the foresight and the writers had the balls to make it good.
Go slowly becoming Lawrence (who btw was never named onscreen) while people around dismiss it as childish wish fulfillment until it’s too late would go into some deep territory with good story potential.
Rainchu is WAY better
lol i meant raichu
I find that doubtful. People complain about Gou's captures because they're stupidly easy compared to how it works in the mainline games and the show itself up to this point. If Ash had the same interest as Gou his capture rate would leave Gou's jaw cartoonishly dropped on the ground since Ash actually has strong Pokémon for weakening wild ones and capturing them, while Gou got utterly humiliated in his first battle.I foresee a lot of salt in the coming months from those who simply hate that Ash can't catch as many Pokemon as Go has in the same time frame.
Tbh I'd never compare Go to Lawrence from the Lugia film. Lawrence was a selfish and stylish person who would've let the world burn just to fulfill his own greedy desires, but Go catching lots of Pokemon ain't even a bad thing tbh. I foresee a lot of salt in the coming months from those who simply hate that Ash can't catch as many Pokemon as Go has in the same time frame.
Have you seen the Safari Zone episode? Assuming there were ways for you to see it? (It wasn't banned where I live) Ash caught his Tauros with almost no difficulty - every time he tried to capture something a Tauros herd would stampede across and get caught in a Safari Ball instead. This is early OS, but Ash never really befriended or tried to befriend any pokemon in the Safari Zone. No questions, no polite "join my team" at all. Same with all the Tauros. Every throw was unquestioned and it was an easy capture. Just consider Gou's capture spree something like a GO-adapted-thingy-of-the-Safari-Zone which has clearly been a thing. An OS thing that actually existed at one point.Or you could try and read the words of the people who complain about Go's captures because it has nothing at all to do with Ash. If you're going to make comments calling out other people and their opinions, try actually giving a basis for what you're saying. What makes Go any different from Lawrence? He isn't an adult yet, he doesn't have incredible technology, and he hasn't set his eyes on legendaries that support the ecosystem, but he still just catches Pokemon because he's selfish and greedy. You don't become Lawrence overnight, and Lawrence didn't think of himself as bad, but greed and selfishness can easily cloud common sense and if you are never called out on your selfishness its quite easy to continue down the path of getting worse and worse. The motivation isn't different between the two.
What makes Go catching lots of Pokemon not a bad thing? I'm honestly curious to hear your argument (if you even bother coming up with one) because it adds a lot more to a conversation than trolling does. If you've read what people actually say, many people like and respect Ash because he doesn't try to just catch every Pokemon and that he gives his individual Pokemon a lot of attention and works hard with them, so there would be no jealousy that Ash doesn't go on a wild catching spree for Pokemon he can neglect. Sure, people are upset that Ash gets less screen time than this new monster (I honestly don't care about Ash screen time myself, I just wish Go didn't get so much because he's a selfish, disgusting, awful person), but very few people have been upset because Ash can't catch Pokemon like Go can. In this new series, literally anyone with the funds to get a Pokeball and the ability to throw can catch heaps of Pokemon, so who gives a shit. The point is that Pokemon have not been treated like trophies in the past anime series, and catching all of them just to fill out a log is a pretty shitty thing to do. You don't have to think this way, but don't misclassify other people being upset as something petty and worthless when the actual reason has been explained over and over again (and then not explain your own reasoning, on top of that).
Have you seen the Safari Zone episode? Assuming there were ways for you to see it? (It wasn't banned where I live) Ash caught his Tauros with almost no difficulty - every time he tried to capture something a Tauros herd would stampede across and get caught in a Safari Ball instead. This is early OS, but Ash never really befriended or tried to befriend any pokemon in the Safari Zone. No questions, no polite "join my team" at all. Same with all the Tauros. Every throw was unquestioned and it was an easy capture. Just consider Gou's capture spree something like a GO-adapted-thingy-of-the-Safari-Zone which has clearly been a thing. An OS thing that actually existed at one point.
I find that doubtful. People complain about Gou's captures because they're stupidly easy compared to how it works in the mainline games and the show itself up to this point. If Ash had the same interest as Gou his capture rate would leave Gou's jaw cartoonishly dropped on the ground since Ash actually has strong Pokémon for weakening wild ones and capturing them, while Gou got utterly humiliated in his first battle.
The complaints about Ash's capture numbers is that he's caught so few compared to how many he usually does.
The occasions when Ash does it are few and far between. The vast majority of Ash's Pokémon have had meaningful captures, whereas literally everything captured by Go is collectible style.Have you seen the Safari Zone episode? Assuming there were ways for you to see it? (It wasn't banned where I live) Ash caught his Tauros with almost no difficulty - every time he tried to capture something a Tauros herd would stampede across and get caught in a Safari Ball instead. This is early OS, but Ash never really befriended or tried to befriend any pokemon in the Safari Zone. No questions, no polite "join my team" at all. Same with all the Tauros. Every throw was unquestioned and it was an easy capture. Just consider Gou's capture spree something like a GO-adapted-thingy-of-the-Safari-Zone which has clearly been a thing. An OS thing that actually existed at one point.
Have you seen the Safari Zone episode? Assuming there were ways for you to see it? (It wasn't banned where I live) Ash caught his Tauros with almost no difficulty - every time he tried to capture something a Tauros herd would stampede across and get caught in a Safari Ball instead. This is early OS, but Ash never really befriended or tried to befriend any pokemon in the Safari Zone. No questions, no polite "join my team" at all. Same with all the Tauros. Every throw was unquestioned and it was an easy capture. Just consider Gou's capture spree something like a GO-adapted-thingy-of-the-Safari-Zone which has clearly been a thing. An OS thing that actually existed at one point.
Also, you might want to consider actual players who try to fill the dex or accumulate catch numbers - go to a route, throw a Quick Ball. Done. No one - not even in-game NPCs - questions the morality. Except for maybe N?
And if we reeally want to get in the morality of capturing and stuff in the pokemon franchise, there's a huge can of worms that's just waiting to be opened.
You're making it sound as if Ash didn't capture a lot of his Pokemon with relative ease too, even though he has; hell many of his Kanto Pokemon were caught without putting up much of a fight including things like Caterpie, Charmander, Squirtle and the 30 Tauros that were basically handed to Ash on a silver platter.
I could go through all his other Pokemon in the other regions and find many similar examples of Ash getting Pokemon with minimal effort yet people will conveniently ignore that and do a Matrix-style dodge just to make another swing at Go. Let's face it, he's the current punching bag and will be for the foreseeable future because a lot of folks just don't like the idea of another male character doing things that they think Ash should be doing. Excuses like 'people only hate Go because he gets Pokemon too easily' can only get y'all so far. :/
I have a feeling this whole thread will eventually be clogged by variations of this one sentence for the duration of this new series:
"They don't make the anime like the good old days anymore"
Safari Zone episode aside, we can't deny Pokemon GO and Let's GO have been the popular games during the past few years. Catching pokemon with ease, going on a capture spree - so many people have done that. The anime adapted GO as Gou. The anime decided that Gou is doing GO things.
And we can decide to point out that the sudden change in philosophies is pretty jarring. One can’t deny that the anime used to give a pretty consistent message of capturing Pokémon and treating them as your friends and companions with some capture exceptions aside. Almost every capture was meaningful in some capacity, whether battled or not.Safari Zone episode aside, we can't deny Pokemon GO and Let's GO have been the popular games during the past few years. Catching pokemon with ease, going on a capture spree - so many people have done that. The anime adapted GO as Gou. The anime decided that Gou is doing GO things.
One thing I've noticed constantly in your posts is... they mostly happen to be of the format of "People said this but now they’re complaining about x." "You all are saying x because of this."Let's face it, he's the current punching bag and will be for the foreseeable future because a lot of folks just don't like the idea of another male character doing things that they think Ash should be doing. Excuses like 'people only hate Go because he gets Pokemon too easily' can only get y'all so far. :/
The anime is probably trying to acknowledge and appeal to the fans established by GO. There's no denying that GO brought back (and brought new) fans into playing Pokemon GO. Incidentally, GO's advertisements also promoted Pokemon as a family franchise, which fits in what the current era of pokemon is like - grown up 90s kids with families of their own, enjoying pokemon with their children. The past few years have been GO's time. There was Gen7, but I don't know how the numbers would stack up if we statistically compared the number of main-game players vs GO players (and then there's a group that plays both). Also, children are probably already familiarized with smartphone apps like GO before they get their Switch game. But this probably belongs to a different thread.And we can decide to point out that the sudden change in philosophies is pretty jarring. One can’t deny that the anime used to give a pretty consistent message of capturing Pokémon and treating them as your friends and companions with some capture exceptions aside. Almost every capture was meaningful in some capacity, whether battled or not.
There’s a reason completing the Pokedex has never been a priority.
That’s what I liked about the anime's deviation from the games- it made the world building better. I didn’t mind Ash capturing a few Pokémon and befriending them because that’s how it would make sense in a hypothetical Pokémon world. In fact, I played the games after watching the anime and thanks to it ended up facing the E4 with my trusty 6 and the 4-5 gift Pokémon in the box. Capture-everything-blindly in a world you’re dealing with intelligent creatures that are supposed to be your companions was avoided. Now it’s sacrificing 20 years of world building to adapt a game which literally treats Pokémon as vessels to throw away for candy when you find a better one.
I don’t hate Pokémon go, in fact I play the game almost daily, but it’s style doesn’t mesh well with what the anime has built up to be morally correct at all. I’d have no issues at all if it were a side series, but it’s an express continuation to the anime we're talking about.
P.S.: people do now accept GO mechanics, but I do remember the jarred réactions and memes at the candy system.
The anime is probably trying to acknowledge and appeal to the fans established by GO. There's no denying that GO brought back (and brought new) fans into playing Pokemon GO. Incidentally, GO's advertisements also promoted Pokemon as a family franchise, which fits in what the current era of pokemon is like - grown up 90s kids with families of their own, enjoying pokemon with their children. The past few years have been GO's time.
I’m not sure how does that answer my points? I’m explaining why are the complaints against Go valid.Back to the anime: Gou as a character is promoted as one of the duo protagonist and they want to make Gou popular as one of their main protagonist. GO is still popular. So the anime is using GO for Gou and traditional battles for Ash (at least up to episode 7 - it could be different for the future). Gou is the new generation.
And it could be that: they might have chosen to take the easy route for promoting pokemon. The most efficient way to make money. And maybe they can't do the thing you just said - keeping the same 20-year-old established philosophy and earn money efficiently at the same time. I've heard so many fans complain every time a new Star Wars movie comes out because its so "different" but it still makes tons of money. Is Star Wars going to accept the complaints and "go back to the old" when money is going to roll in anyway? I don't know - maybe after calculating the cost, perhaps.I’m not sure how does that answer my points? I’m explaining why are the complaints against Go valid.
Well... that’s fine and dandy but people's complains are stemming from the fact that this is occurring at the expense of the anime world building and the very process of what it is to capture and raise a Pokemon. I personally find those complains completely valid.
Go should be either developed in a way that doesn’t contradict the the previously set up anime world so much or given a new side series role if they want to go so far into the GO universe.
Promotion can occur without throwing away 20 years of world building, philosophies and what it means to capture a Pokémon and raise it.
One thing I've noticed constantly in your posts is... they mostly happen to be of the format of "People said this but now they’re complaining about x." "You all are saying x because of this."
Not all people who have Opinion 1 have the Opinion 2 and vice versa. And it’s incorrect to generalise based on that assumption, specially if you further assume bad faith that people are saying this just because they like to complain.
Can you please stop with that? This is not a hive mind and no one's following the same streams of thought. It’s pretty trollish of you to group everyone complaining about Go into the same group. I never had any issues with Ash capturing less Pokémon, and I don’t care how many he captures as long as each of them gets focus. I usually like the team of 6 he gets every region. And I don’t like Go capturing Pokémon left and right either.
These gross overgeneralisations get annoying at a lot of times. I don’t like being relegated to a group of opinions I disagree with just because I'm complaining about something I find wrong now.
Are you telling me that handling Go’s captures in a slightly different manner is going to affect their earnings in a negative manner? I doubt some storyline decisions are going to affect them that much.And it could be that: they might have chosen to take the easy route for promoting pokemon. The most efficient way to make money. And maybe they can't do the thing you just said - keeping the same 20-year-old established philosophy and earn money efficiently at the same time.
Well, I do think some criticism is undue, but I don’t really think that the majority of it is undue. I found the premise of the Scorbunny-is-weak thread pretty nonsensical myself but that type of stuff (at least on these forums) I’ve found to be minor compared to more level headed criticism. And I’ve never seen that Ash catching Pokémon to a degree Go does is a popular demand here.First of all, I don't think I've ever quoted you or replied to anything you've posted so I'm not sure why you're attacking me when I've never done anything to you. Second of all, I'm not going to ask every single member here separately how they feel about Go. I'm sorry if generalizations irritate you, but I'm not going to go out of my way to analyze every individual opinion just to make you feel better. Either add me to your ignore list if me making blanket statements bothers you that much, or find a way to actually refute what I posted. But calling me out in public over something so petty is unnecessary and frankly childish.
I was only talking about how the majority of our fandom seems to feel about Go based on what I observe on an almost daily basis for Christ's sake. It's fully possible that I could be wrong, but at the end of the day the thread is called 'Controversial opinions.' I don't see why I should be crucified for expressing my belief that a lot of people might harbor ill will towards Go considering that there have been some extremely judgmental comments in this section about Go for even the most inane reasons, like this thread whining about how weak his Scorbunny is and how it's all Go's fault apparently. People will find any way to get back at Go and it all comes down to some people just disliking him and not even giving him a chance 7 episodes into this series.