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CoroCoro Thread (Pages are Leaking, Bewear of Spoilers!)

Lufenium

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Lemme ask. What's the longest you've seen that a game has teased itself without any information on the gameplay (or, better yet, proper footage)?

I don't know if it counts, but FFXV (formerly VXIII) spent years in development hell with years between concept/story trailers, with no actual real gameplay until about 2014.

Are we simply being spoiled by XY's PR? .

Absolutely. What makes matters worse is when mistranslations/misinformation occur and people tune into the likes of Pokenchi expecting something new which was never promised.
 
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It is not the end of the world, it is some company treating their fans like shit again
Oh please. The games were announced a smidge over a month ago. To drop the "we're being treated like shit" card just because there was no gameplay revealed (and as a reminder, there was no promise for it to be revealed.
Lemme ask. What's the longest you've seen that a game has teased itself without any information on the gameplay (or, better yet, proper footage)? Are we simply being spoiled by XY's PR? Has it happened before in Pokémon? I'm holding out on announcements because nobody but Corocoro promised actual new information.
KH3 and FFXV immediately come to mind. those games have been teased with small updates here and there since like 1999. I would definitely agree that, in general, we were spoiled with XYORAS's PR. then again, a lot of people complained about how much was revealed so....... guess we can't have our cake and eat it too.
 

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Oh please. The games were announced a smidge over a month ago. To drop the "we're being treated like shit" card just because there was no gameplay revealed (and as a reminder, there was no promise for it to be revealed.
For how long must we wait until the details are revealed? Five years? And yeah, I may sound harsh but it is just my opinion. It is okay to disagree. Yes, I am demanding. Do you know that japanese fans are a lot more demanding than western fans? Western fans always take the side of the developer or try to defend their position somehow. Eastern fans can easily rate a game 1\5 if it promised to include their favorite feature but didn't include it. I don't defend anyone. I am a customer. Yes, I am greedy. It is my money and my entertainment. I refuse to take the side of the developer in this case. On the other hand, everything I said was not as mean-toned as you think it is. Just stating my opinion in a provocative way. *And by the way, I never expected to see FOOTAGE of the game in that video. I expected to see at least SOMETHING.*
 

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Keep in mind that if it wasn't for "pokemon day", we probably still wouldn't even know the games existed. Especially since they intend for a winter launch, they likely would've announced it around May-June.

Announced on Feb 26th for winter 2016. . .that's like, an announcement a nearly a year in advance. If we go till May without seeing anything in Corocoro then I'd be frustrated but for now I'll give GF the benefit of the doubt. They're probably just trying to make sure they don't screw up how they pace our flow of news.

Granted, I still think they should've at least talked about S/M in the announcement a bit more.
 
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I don't see how people can complain. We're getting the game less than a year after the annoumcent. Pokemon fans are really spoiled if you just zoom out and look at any other video game franchise. We had almost yearly main series releases for a while. Regardless of the information we will be given the games are still coming out this holiday season. To me complaining about a lack of information only a month after the annoumcent sounds a little entitled.
 

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I want to hope we'll get something new, but to avoid another Pokenchi disappointment and since they only promised a Sun & Moon feature and not a Sun & Moon scoop or something (apparently we have to take what they say very literally) I'll keep my expectations extremely low. So for now I'm expecting another rehash of the announcement trailer with maybe some extra details and higher quality screenshots of the concept art. Perhaps we'll also get some more info on Magearna or even silhouettes of the starters/box legendaries.
 

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Official mod stance. Pokemon fans are not "being treated like shit" because we've had little information shared with us. This is not atypical. Bickering about it changes nothing and will not hasten the coro coro release next week that may contain the information you seek.

If you can wait months for the games, you can wait a week for the magazine.
 
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I remember in past years, specifically in regards to the early days of XY's development, people were complaining about the drought of information then. This is really nothing new at all and not worth getting upset over.
 

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I would take anything new even if it was small news. A single new pokemon getting revealed would be good.
 

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You know, after my initial frustration I thought about it with a cooler head and realized there were probably reasons for why they were doing things this way, and on top of that, disregarding the last generation, many pokemon games have had similar information release schedules as the current pattern.

But on the other hand, I think people should be allowed to complain about it a bit here without everyone and every mod telling them to stop complaining. It's not hurting anyone, let them get out there frustration, it just makes people resentful when others and the site's administrators try to shut out their feelings. Let people get out their feelings and stop telling them they have no right to them. Feelings don't need a right, they don't even necessarily need logic. They are there and to tell people to shut up their feelings and impressions is rude as hell and a denial of them as a human being. Just let people bitch a little and get it out and they'll be over it quicker instead of arguing with them to stop. It annoys me that when anyone expresses any dissatisfaction at all with current events people jump on them telling them they are immature crybabies. Feelings are real and should be respected. Let people express their feelings and don't deny them. And people who have dissatisfied feelings, express how you feel and be done with it. The easiest way to stop being upset is to just start thinking about something else.
 

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I think people should be allowed to complain about it a bit here without everyone and every mod telling them to stop complaining. It's not hurting anyone, let them get out there frustration, it just makes people resentful when others and the site's administrators try to shut out their feelings. Let people get out their feelings and stop telling them they have no right to them. Feelings don't need a right, they don't even necessarily need logic. They are there and to tell people to shut up their feelings and impressions is rude as hell and a denial of them as a human being. Just let people bitch a little and get it out and they'll be over it quicker instead of arguing with them to stop. It annoys me that when anyone expresses any dissatisfaction at all with current events people jump on them telling them they are immature crybabies. .

^ THIS.

I'll be honest. Browsing through here the past couple of days, I find the 'I'm disappointed and feel like Gamfreak are trolling us' posts far less annoying than the 'y'all should stop whining and acting entitled' posts. I mean, really? We literally just had a reminder not to be jerks to each other, and people think it's acceptable to insult others in this condescending, obnoxious way? Isn't this flaming and baiting? How is it hurting you if someone is disappointed by the lack of news, and vents a little? It's not nice to make it so personal. Kind of surprised the 'official mod stance' hasn't called that out, actually :/

I'm looking forward to CoroCoro's news, hopefully it'll break this tension and give this fandom something more positive to focus on.
 

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So true, @LadySasaki. We are all about letting people share their opinions, and not have others attack them and be jerks, until it's a negative opinion about lack of news or treatment by Game Freak and then everyone jumps down their throats and call themselves justified for doing it. And then when those people try to defend their feelings, they are accused of clogging the thread with complaints, when if they just hadn't been directly attacked they probably wouldn't have said anything else about it. It is possible to give more supportive feedback, detailing why the situation isn't quite as the "complainer" feels it is without directly attacking their feelings, you know.
 

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So true, @LadySasaki. We are all about letting people share their opinions, and not have others attack them and be jerks, until it's a negative opinion about lack of news or treatment by Game Freak and then everyone jumps down their throats and call themselves justified for doing it. And then when those people try to defend their feelings, they are accused of clogging the thread with complaints, when if they just hadn't been directly attacked they probably wouldn't have said anything else about it. It is possible to give more supportive feedback, detailing why the situation isn't quite as the "complainer" feels it is without directly attacking their feelings, you know.

Exactly. If I may say, @NoirGrimoir I've really enjoyed reading your posts recently; even though you were disappointed like many of us, you expressed yourself in a mature and reasonable way and were always willing to listen to other opinions put forth :)

I always cringe when situations like this occur - not because I'm 90% sure we'll get let down and people will be annoyed at the lack of news, but for the inevitable wave of smug 'I told you so/you only have yourself to blame' etc etc replies. Just because you're thinking it doesn't mean it's pleasant to say it. There's just no need for it; it adds nothing and changes nothing. We're a nice, inclusive, friendly fandom in general and it's a shame to let things like this get in the way. Pre-release season is supposed to be fun and bring us together in our collective hope and excitement :p
 

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The concept "people should be free to complain" is great in theory, but it sucks immensely in applicability.

Why? Because a handful of complainers can dominate any discussion very quickly (because they talk very loudly and aggressively, with posts that are hard to miss), reinforce one another's complaints, and turn the atmosphere of just about any thread or forum extremely negative. Which might not sound like a problem, except that the vast majority of people on an internet forum like this just want a place to have fun and relax. Extreme negativity, for the vast majority of people, is neither fun nor relaxing. It's downright unpleasant, and if posting on the forums stop being fun and relaxing, becomes unpleasant? They're going to stop posting on the forums and go find something that's actually fun and relaxing.

So that's why we put limitations to how much complaining we're willing to have, and how harsh the complaints are allowed to get. Because *you* can afford to think only of your feelings, but we have to make sure the forum stay pleasant for everyone else, otherwise there won't be much of a point to the forums anymore.

Keeping your complaining reasonable in amounts and in tone is part of what we mean when we say "Don't be a jerk".
 

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I can appreciate that stance, and of course we don't want threads hijacked by complainers, but lately things have been going a little too far, IMO. As I said, every time someone makes a complaint, people don't just cite reasons why things might not be as they seem, they directly attack them. If you actually go back and look at threads lately most of these supposed 'arguments' aren't cause by so-called complainers, but by people attacking them. They carry on the issue long past when it would have faded on it's own by getting personal and calling them names like complainer and winer, and act condescending when people are disappointed, insinuating that they were stupid for hoping for more. It makes sense and mods are completely justified for stepping in when things start getting out of hand or devolve into something hateful or overly negative, but lately people have been getting a bit ahead of themselves in policing this, and allowed themselves to be overly hostile or rude about doing so, IMO. That's really all I'm saying. Basically tone down the hostility for everyone about this subject. Let things play out a little more before we start putting our foot down.
 

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I'm personally hoping for starter silhouettes, so that we get a few weeks of crazy imaginative fanart before the Pokemon are properly revealed :)

Remember when the Unova starter silhouettes came out?

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Excessive hostility in response to complaints is certainly a problem, but a problem that often stems from excessive hostility in complaints in the first place.

And that's something that I'm going to say here, very clearly: Just because you're being hostile to people (or things) that aren't on the forum doesn't make your post less hostile, or more welcome. A hostile post is a hostile post, and drag forum atmosphere down.
 
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