The Prince is Back!
- Dec 13, 2017
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Cynthia is a fan favorite Champion. But is she too flawless of a character in the games? What's your opinion?
Do any of the champions outside of Blue really have any flaws (outside of generally silly ones like being poor at directions)? I don’t really recall Steven or Lance, for example, having any sort of major flaw.But is she too flawless of a character in the games? What's your opinion?
Alder is the only one I'd put forward. It's not a heavily stressed part of the storyline, because his "journey" has already happened by the time of the main games. But he says this if you meet him at Celestial Tower in the post-game of BW:Do any of the champions outside of Blue really have any flaws (outside of generally silly ones like being poor at directions)? I don’t really recall Steven or Lance, for example, having any sort of major flaw.
True. I specifically referred to her game self, but you are not wrong that her anime self has this funny quirk of taking ages which flavor of ice cream she wants to eat, and overall having an affinity for sweets.I know this isn’t exactly a flaw, but doesn’t the anime characterize her with a large affinity for sweets or something?
I wouldn’t say Lillie’s the closest candidate for a Mary Sue, and I think that her timidness and inability to confront her mother proves just that. Mary Sue’s are flawless while Lillie clearly has flaws in her inability to stand up for herself and reliance on others.Lillie is the real candidate for a Mary Sue. She's very timid, and the player has to confront Lusamine for her- even after she gives Lusamine a piece of her mind, the player has to fight her.
I was just coming on to say the exact same thing, albeit you summed it up better and shorter than I would've. Leon in particular feels the most like a Gary Stu (the Mary Sue male counterpart), due to the overabundance of character shilling throughout the game. EVERYONE calls him the "unbeatable Champion" and worships him and his Charizard almost like a god. Plus, he's ALWAYS won in the past ever since first becoming a trainer, so he basically has never experienced loss until Victor/Gloria dethrone him, which pretty much makes him seem like an invincible hero. His only "flaws" are his terrible lack of direction and failing to catch Eternatus, other than that he's pretty much flawless to everyone. To be honest, he's almost a take that to the PC, as pretty much every PC since Red steamrolls the competition like it's nobody's business (and, for that matter, Red tends to be quite the Gary Stu, too), so Leon is possibly a jab at the player. Still, regardless, he's pretty much the epitome of "perfect" in Galar, lack of direction be damned, so I would most definitely call Leon a Gary Stu over Cynthia being a Mary Sue. At least Cynthia didn't get the same in-game character shilling, being portrayed as invincible by every NPC in DPPt, as Leon gets virtually every 10 minutes of the game. So, yeah, I agree with you that Leon and Kukui would be better examples of Gary Stus over Cynthia being a Mary Sue.IMHO, Professor Kukui & Leon are the two characters that I would say are true Mary Sues by my definition, even though they're male characters. Kukui is a Pokemon Professor, a pro wrestler who all the ladies swoon over, and the only reason he's not also Champion is because 1) Elio/Selene moved to Alola and, 2) he built the Alola League himself, so he feels like that wouldn't be fair. Leon is established as the strongest Trainer in the Galar region from the get-go, Victor/Gloria is heavily implied to also be a fan of his, and we NEVER stop hearing about how awesome he is, to the point that it honestly felt to me like the main reason he exists is because somebody at GameFreak is a die-hard Charizard fan who wanted to shove the orange lizard down our throats as much as possible.
... How is that sue-ish at all? If anything, the protagonist is the mary sue here: even during the big character moments, they still butt in to steal the glory.Lillie is the real candidate for a Mary Sue. She's very timid, and the player has to confront Lusamine for her- even after she gives Lusamine a piece of her mind, the player has to fight her. That being said, I do think its cool that Lillie goes on her own journey out of inspiration from the player