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Distribution of Generation III Pokémon set for March, April, May in Japan: ...

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Articwolf10

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Why would Hoenn pokémon being released point to RSE remakes? It seems to me that if anything, it would point to the opposite.

The biggest reason for new/young players to buy the remakes is getting pokémon they couldn't get otherwise. Distributing these pokémon over wi-fi first negates that need, meaning there is less reason for these people to buy the games if they were to come out.

Because the same thing happened with HG/SS (Spikey Eared Pichu anyone?) Gen II pokemon began to get a lot of attention before HG/SS was released
 

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Because the same thing happened with HG/SS (Spikey Eared Pichu anyone?) Gen II pokemon began to get a lot of attention before HG/SS was released
Spiky-eared Pichu wasn't a version mascot, and you still had to wait for HGSS to obtain her. She also received far more attention than this distribution will.
 

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People don't seem to know what a hint or a clue is, hints and clues are hidden, made unnoticeable or to look like something else. Some people can't work things out for themselves and have to have it told to them before they will finally believe it. It's funny how you don't really hear from all the GS remake deniers anymore. Give it a year or so, and I don't think we will see many of those doubting Hoenn's return saying its not happening, or if they do stick around, they will remain mute on the subject.
I do agree on some of your points--hints ARE small little things. If they were "in-your-face obvious," they wouldn't be hints, they would be statements. Once RSEmakes are made, the non-believers will stay silent--this did happen with HGSS, like you said ("no, those aren't hints at gen 2 remakes...what? We have gen 2 remakes in the works? Well duh, they were hinted at!"), but a distribution like this is no hint. It's too obvious, and the Pokemon they are using decrease the need for remakes.
To me, this significantly increases the chances of returning to Houen. There are so many reasons why an R/S remake wouldn't work from the start: Gen III Pokemon Sugimori artwork is already in Sugimori's 'new style'; Gen V takes place about 14 years after Gen I/III; Groudon's overworld drought in Ruby wouldn't work during the night... (admittedly not a problem if they're to remake Emerald instead, but the other problems still remain) The fact that they are distributing Houen Pokemon for the anniversary of a Kyushu train isn't so surprising, but the fact that they're distributing such heavy stuff--the starter Pokemon, Groudon, and Kyogre--pretty much cements R/S remakes' chances as next to zero and Houen in BW2's chances as now being significantly high.
Sugimori's new "style" uses brighter colors and softer lines than his RSE "style." But that's a small thing.

Gen 5 takes place 14 years after Gen 1/3? Where did you get that idea at all? Gen 2/4 is 3 years after gen 1, and there's no way gen 5 is 10 years after gen 2/4. Cynthia would have aged more. The only reason why Caitlin looks significantly different is because she was incredibly young in gen 2/4, and age changes are more obvious even in small amounts at that point in people's lives.

And Groudon's drought wouldn't work at night...droughts happen when the weather is hot. Doesn't matter what time of day it is. If you mean graphically, well, the DS/3DS has much better graphical capabilities than a GBA...

It may "cement RSEmakes chances as next to zero" (at least for this gen) but how does it increase the chance of Hoenn being in BW2? If anything this tells me Hoenn won't be touched anywhere for a while.

I don't think this makes RSE remakes any more or less likely. There are a few aspects of Generation V's timing that make me suspect that this generation will be a shorter one and won't contain any remakes, but this thing? It's just a regular promotional event. If this were an online, international distribution then I might ascribe more significance to it. The reasons for Hoenn Pokemon being involved are stated in the article. It's purely a thematic thing.
I agree!
Let me get this straight. A real world train line celebrates an anniversary and for two months they release Pokemon to people who ride it?

Sometimes it is so hard being a Pokemon fan and living in North America. Though, I bet the fans in Europe and Australia said the same thing.
Well, Pokémon does have what, 6 stores dedicated solely to it in Japan? Also, even the K-ON! movie had trains painted to advertise it.

Over here, the most even the biggest film blockbuster can do is get some posters stuck to the outside of buses.
7! PC Tohoku opened up not too long ago! <3 ^w^




So basically, what I want to know is: how is this "proof" that Hoenn will be in BW2? Like I said above, this just means we will get our RSEmakes later, which isn't a bad thing, and that Hoenn will be left alone for the time being, which also isn't a bad thing. Nice to see such a cute thematic event that doesn't involve only Pikachu with a funky move!
 

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Gen V takes place about 14 years after Gen I/III
I've never really seen how anything in BW shows this. I know it's based on BW being released that long after RBY, but if anything I would base it on either the time difference between it and FRLG or HGSS (if I had to use this method). Caitlin is 14 in PtHGSS - if 14 years have passed, she is now 28 in BW, and this does not appear to be the case. Likewise, if 14 years had passed Cynthia should look at least a little older, but she doesn't. However, the time gap is at least as large as the age of the ex-Team Rocket Grunt's child (who is probably about 5).
We can infer that Gen I is meant to take place during approximately the equivalent of 1996, the year it was released. This is because of the Cycling Road, which was modeled after the real-life cycling road that was nearly completed during 1996 in real-life Kanto. Gen II was originally planned to take place one year after Gen I (when it was scheduled for release in 1997) but, after being pushed back to the 1999 release, was retconned to take place three years after Gen I--again, being the equivalent of 1999 in the real world. Obviously, Gen III and IV, being equivalent to Gen I and II, respectively, retained this timeline. I am going to go with what Game Freak has done since Red/Green and assume that Gen V takes place during the equivalent of the year it was released--2010. Caitlin was in Gen IV, so she would actually be 25, not 28. Okay, I can accept that. Cynthia, I don't know. I have no idea how old (or young) she was in Gen IV. As for the Rocket Grunt, if I am correct, he had 11 years in between Gen II and V, and we shouldn't have to assume that he didn't wait six years before having a child. Lastly, the Giant Hole is modeled after Ground Zero, which would mean that Gen V takes place during the equivalent of the year 2001 at least; judging by the age of the Rocket Grunt's child, it's undoubtedly much later still.
Real world timeline is not the same as in-game timeline.

I'd be happy to place Gen V Caitlin anywhere between 16 and 25 really. Cynthia on the other hand hasn't visibly aged at all between Gen IV and V, meaning that the gap is certainly less than 10 years. As for the Rocket Grunt, I didn't mean to say that he had his son as soon as he got home, but was approximating the minimum time gap.

You said that Game Freak has always set games in the year they are released; since the current year isn't mentioned in any Pokémon game (and mentioning it would mess up time-based things anyway), RBY can be assumed to be a starting point, and we can simply consider the year to be 0 since we need a starting point. GSC is 3. That is all. A tradition that was followed twice and hasn't been seen since the isolated generations really isn't something we can base things on, and I would say BW is more likely to take place 6 years after FRLG (so 3 after HGSS), if we follow this method.

Also, Giant Chasm is not based on Ground Zero; Giant Chasm was created many years ago when a meteor struck, and it is not located anywhere near where Ground Zero is in the real world.
Oops, you're right about the Giant Hole. My bad for not sufficiently researching it! (Having never personally lived anywhere in NY, I never bothered to learn exactly what area of it every Isshu location was based on, especially due to so many areas evidently having so little similarity with their real-world counterparts to begin with) That's what I get for following a rumor emanating from a cracked article. However, the Kyurem comment was simply the tip of the iceberg (no pun intended) for my analysis. Yes, your 'starting from year 0' comment was essentially what I was getting at; I don't assume that GF makes a big effort to emulate each region on 96 or 99, but I do feel that we should assume that BW is following the what was the standard since Gen I. By the way, the tradition of creating regions connecting to already existing regions has not been continued since Gen II either, but that by no account means that it won't continue; look at a map of Japan, and you will see clearly that the only non-Pokemonified regions are ones that connect Houen to Jouto and Kanto to Shin'ou. They just haven't had a chance to continue that tradition, just like they didn't have a chance to (possibly) continue the temporal tradition until Gen V.

And really, looking back, there's no reason we should've doubted the potential to fly to Houen from Isshu later in Gen V. After all, the only two real regions of Japan that haven't been made into Pokemon regions are the ones that link the real-world counterparts of already existing regions, so by the next generation we're almost certain to be able to travel back to Kanto/Jouto at the very least, as well as either Houen or Jouto. And there's no reason why once all of the regions are linked in-game, we shouldn't be able to fly to Isshu from the main continent (the one based off of Japan). Might as well let us fly back and forth sooner rather than later--in this generation. (hope I've explained all of this coherently)
Since Skyla even pointed out the difficulty associated with flying to Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh even in a plane due to the distance, I really don't expect us to be flying there. Besides, Hoenn would be extremely tacked on if you could randomly fly there from Unova; there is no reason for it over any other region to be flown to from Unova.
In later Generations, Houen will connect with Jouto/Kanto via a future Pokemon equivalent of the Chugoku region. However, as of now, it's isolated. As you quote me saying, once all of the Japanese-based regions are connected, Isshu will still never be connected to any of them, so it's only natural that they'll instead allow you to travel to and from the region by boat or plane so as to eventually connect all of the regions. Since Masuda has fed into fan frenzy with his announcement in October, and since aside from the already existing reasons this enormous Houen promotion effectively makes Gen V RS remakes unmarketable by distributing the mascots and starters while simultaneously further feeding fan frenzy, I certainly am willing to bet that Houen will be accessible in BW2.
I would think that more US-based regions would be made, which would connect to Unova. Once Japan is completely Pokémonified, I still don't see games where you can go to any of the regions freely, or even being able to visit more than two in one game (outside of perhaps an MMO). The game would just get too long, and they could make more money by selling multiple games rather than selling one with all the regions. In particular, if for no good reason Hoenn were chosen to be possible for the player to fly to in B2W2, how strong a relationship with Unova can Hoenn have when it is so far away? Besides, remaking Hoenn would take a lot of effort for just a random post-game area; if they bothered making Hoenn on DS, they mas as well just release remakes.
As I mentioned above, look at a real-world map of Japan. It's obvious that even by Gen VI, there will be four different regions connected--Kanto, Jouto, and Houen (if next region is Tohoku) or Shin'ou (if next region is Chugoku). It would make absolute sense to allow you to travel to all these regions which would now all be adjacent from each other. (By the way, assuming that Gen VII once again takes place outside Japan, which is very probable, we won't see all of the Japanese regions connected until Gen VIII) No, I am not suggesting that they 'make a game with all the regions'; I am simply analyzing the geography of real-world Japan and concluding that inevitably, a new region will eventually connect to every other previous region. Now, as for Houen's inclusion in BW2, I obviously cannot claim to have such clear evidence of such. I understand full well that Isshu and Houen are hardly related, and that Houen's inclusion would seem more than a little odd. However, as I have stated above, distribution of RSE's very mascots and starters right now make remakes virtually unmarketable; simultaneously, it, coupled with Masuda's October statement on remakes, will undoubtedly fuel hype even more, which GF very well understands. I'm not claiming that there's undeniable evidence of Houen's inclusion; I am simply making a prediction based on the information that I have received over the past week.
 
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