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A show about going to school is a terrible idea and sounds really boring and just plain awful.
Is this unpopular? The biggest thing I have always loved about the show is the adventure, the traveling, the camping out, and the camaraderie of a SMALL group (don't mind a lot of people making a decent amount of appearances, but 6 main characters, as shy as I am it makes me cringe just thinking about it).
I mean really, I don't think I'm going to even watch SM until I can see it confirmed that the school crap stops and an adventure actually happens. I think I would have been a lot less sad about the end of XYZ, but since I have no confidence the next series will be entertaining it made it all the more sad. And such a potentially cool region to travel too.
The last sentence is unclear, since I am not sure it is what you really wanted to say. If you mean that his ideas can be equated with a fanfic... I'd like to read those fanfics.Through, like I said before, I still appreciate his effort in trying to make Pokemon Anime more meaningful than it supposed to be, and taking it more seriously than any of the staffs including his superior directors. But it is just that in retrospect, the quality of the end product is quite questionable. Especially if supposedly Shudo Takeshi was the sole person taking full control in the series construction of Pokemon Anime, I really doubt it will become worse than some journey fanfic in FF.net.
The last sentence is unclear, since I am not sure it is what you really wanted to say. If you mean that his ideas can be equated with a fanfic... I'd like to read those fanfics.
Anyway, most fans are ignorant about Shudo's ideas that were never actually executed. So your opinion isn't really unpopular, which is to say that I don't think he is overrated.
I do have some criticism about Shudo: I haven't seen any evidence of a plan to end Ash's story on a satisfying note, or give Misty or Brock interesting challenges of their own.
The First Movie is the Worst Movie
In what sense is Shudo's story Mary-Sueish? As you said yourself, he didn't set up Ash to be a superior trainer. If anything, Ash's characterization in late AG, DP and especially XY had Mary-Sueish tendencies. That is Tomioka's doing, for better or worse.(As a side note, my virgin work that was also a journey fic style story was Mary-Sueish in the same level as Shudo's AniPoke story)
You should translate the gist of that if you don't mind (for a separate thread).The closest explanation is probably this, but still it is not explaining any story plot, only an rough image of the themes of the entire story, and the direction of the ending.
Okay, but if we're talking about battling, how is the original series overrated? It is largely agreed that DP and XY have the best battles. Characterization and themes are another story...IMO, because most fans are ignorant about Shudo's ideas that were never actually executed, that's why fans overrated him because they judge him and his work according to what had happened on-screen which were already filtered and censored by his superior directors and many other third-parties.
I'm still amazed people really think that the school setting is going to be the whole series. That really doesn't make any sense for so many reasons. Why would they take Pokemon, a series that has always been about going on a journey in both the show and the games, and make it a slice of life school series where no adventures happen? Why would they make promoting the Sun/Moon games more difficult if Ash always has to go back to Professor Kukui's place before the next school day? Judging a series like this when you apparently hasn't seen it also rubs me the wrong way. I can understand not liking the basic premise and being iffy on the large cast, but it's pretty harsh to be this judgemental over a series you haven't even seen yet. You make it sound like Ash is never going to get off the first island, which is just ridiculous. You don't need confirmation that the school setting is just temporary to know that isn't true.
I don't really assume that the whole series is going to be school, I have just become increasingly pessimistic about it because of how long it seems to have lasted as school. I didn't enjoy the sneak peak episodes at all, but otherwise I haven't watched as I only watch the dub. Trust me, I know it doesn't make any sense, but that's why I can't understand why they have done it even for a dozen episodes. I saw people mention that the school setting is something that kids can better identify with Ash, but I just can't help but think that when you are forced to do the same mundane thing every day (whether its work or school) you would probably rather not watch a show with a similar premise.
Even in DP and XY the summer camp episodes really bothered me to some extent (although I enjoyed several of the episodes content) because of the curfew and rule type stuff. And I feel like when I was a kid and watching Pokemon (sadly I'm really not anymore) I really liked the freedom aspect of it and the ability for the cast to be responsible and travel to all these amazing places and meet all these amazing Pokemon and people. It was the sort of thing I wished I would be able to do rather than having to attend school everyday, which is why I enjoyed watching the show so much.
sc190191 said:Anyway, as you say about judging the series and being judgmental, notice I put it in the "unpopular opinions about the anime" thread and not in a serious thread discussing SM anime, and also said it at a time when I really was upset XY ended. I'm certainly not trying to offend anyone, I'm just pessimistic about it, especially considering this time last year I was really hoping (whether reasonable or not) that XY would last 4 years. As weird as it sounds, the reason I typed that so negatively is because I wanted assurance that adventure would start. I've been checking the reviews just hoping, but it just seems to have lasted a lot longer than I thought it would, which if its a three year series could wind up being a decent portion of the series.
sc190191 said:Anyway, hopefully the adventure will start soon. I still don't think I'm going to start catching up in SM until I am sure that there is a light at the end of the school tunnel, even if I know it is extremely unlikely that there isn't. Trust me, I've thought I was going to hate stuff before and been dead wrong, I can admit that, and I hope I am because I would like to continue to enjoy my favorite show. But what's a forum without overreactions? (that's a joke, btw)
Guess my understanding of the word "Mary Sue" is completely different from what normal people thought that word means. For me, that is one technical terminology specifically used in fanfic community to label a badly designed character, where its definition also branch out towards overall literature sector as well. But for most ordinary people that don't understand its background, they just simply deemed it a derogatory word or possibly a swear word for the overpowered character.In what sense is Shudo's story Mary-Sueish? As you said yourself, he didn't set up Ash to be a superior trainer. If anything, Ash's characterization in late AG, DP and especially XY had Mary-Sueish tendencies. That is Tomioka's doing, for better or worse.
You should translate the gist of that if you don't mind (for a separate thread).
Okay, but if we're talking about battling, how is the original series overrated? It is largely agreed that DP and XY have the best battles. Characterization and themes are another story...
Shudo was an eccentric with a unique perspective, which to me makes him the most interesting writer the show has seen. I can agree that the show would not have worked had he been left to his own devices, but the minority of fans who know a bit about Shudo are simply curious about how he envisioned the Pokemon world and Ash's place in it.
And everyone knows that the third movie is the best one by far.