Do you think the DP and BW series have a misleading style?

[Madame Pika]

I think that people overstate how dark The Ledgend of Miniryu (The Ledgend of Dratini) really was. Yes, it contained guns and they were aimed at kids but the fact that the plot had holes in it (like many Kanto episodes do) really reduces it's darkness. Plus that episode was pretty funny. (A tickeling machine being more effective than a gun as touture should say something. The plot holes include the fact that people are way too relaxed about the Safari zone, how Satoshi caught 30 Kentaros by accident when they're pretty much impossible to find, never mind catch the games [feel free to discount that one], the fact that the SECRET area that Miniryu was being kept in was called Ryuu no Tani (Dragon Valley) and that Kaiser knew where Miniryu was and missed it yet never visited [annother debatable one]. A lot of these plot holes are for the sake of humour as well, reducing the darkness.

Since that is considered one of darkest episodes in Kanto, I think that that should say something.

I also don't see a sence of violence in Kanto. Most of it was slap stick and the only time I remember seeing blood in the anime at all was during DP (Hikozaru's tears). The battles were also at their weakest and often little most than comedy. Even the slap stick went down mid Kanto (especually Kasumi's).

That said, does it really matter? Kanto and DP are both fun to watch.

 

[pokemon fan 132]

To be fair what do you expect from 30 minute children written show?Pokemon was never anime about mature storyline,romance,aging,violence and what not being primarily tool through which new games are being promoted having childish style to it teaching them some basic lessons about life.Like always being honest,honourable and helpful to those who are in need.

Arguably Kanto had slightly darker tone to it because of wackier plots,more of physical contact,use of guns and bombs which contributed toward some episodes being banned(like "Legend of Dratini","Tentacool and Tentacruel initially,"Porygon"etc).Gym leaders were also portrayed in different light compared to future series like Sabrina turning people into dolls,lt.Surge being cold and cruel sending pokemon to hospital etc. along with more references to death and cruelty being provided.

But honestly we can say same thing about DP to some extent.It had different style or writing compared to AG with rivalry between Ash and Paul being done in unique way(treating pokemon like battling tools which culminated in abandoned Chimchar exploring true potential proving himself later on),villains being more threatening and "darker"bringing violence as well Hunter J being heartless ending up most likely dead(going by explosion of her ship).

Why are people applying this now? This happened during Johto a decade ago.

Did nobody notice how Johto did away with Kanto's darkness, handguns, and sense of violence? The characters stopped hitting each other, there were no guns, almost no villains, no running plots.

After Kanto Orange Islands came with violence,handguns etc already being toned down at end of first season and in OI.

Everything to blame about the show being dumbed down all happened during the Johto saga. Johto was to blame for everything.

Every saga did its mistakes being to blame for something.Johto wasnt responsible for everything.

 

[Adamant]

I think that people overstate how dark The Ledgend of Miniryu (The Ledgend of Dratini) really was.

People consider that episode "dark" at any sort of level? Wow. Wonder what those people consider Yosemite Sam cartoons.

 

[Sweet Veil]

Why are people applying this now? This happened during Johto a decade ago.

Did nobody notice how Johto did away with Kanto's darkness, handguns, and sense of violence? The characters stopped hitting each other, there were no guns, almost no villains, no running plots.

Everything to blame about the show being dumbed down all happened during the Johto saga. Johto was to blame for everything.

Is there any reason why nearly all your post bring up Johto and bash it, and call it "the blame for everything wrong with Pokemon"? Just curious?

 

[Iteru]

Is there any reason why nearly all your post bring up Johto and bash it, and call it "the blame for everything wrong with Pokemon"? Just curious?

Leave it to VMs. That has absolutely nothing to do with this topic and you know it.