Not yet, but with the way Sho-Pro is going now I wouldn't be surprised if they start trying to do exactly that.
If Sho-Pro can legally do that, we couldn't really stop them.
I really doubt Sho-Pro cares so much about Western audience.
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Not yet, but with the way Sho-Pro is going now I wouldn't be surprised if they start trying to do exactly that.
That's why Youtube really needs geo-blocking enabled for every Youtuber (so that these videos aren't seen in Japan), not just those on MCN's or big ones like Mark.If Sho-Pro can legally do that, we couldn't really stop them.
I really doubt Sho-Pro cares so much about Western audience.
You've got to keep in mind not only the language barrier, but the cultural barrier at play here. Your argument would likely come off as rather conceited from ShoPro's perspective, to say the least. And it can't be guaranteed that most of the Japanese fanbase will sympathize with your cause either. Not only is fair use barely a thing legally in Japan as you mentioned which would make them less accustomed to the concept, but as far as I'm aware public anti-corporate sentiment isn't nearly as widespread in Japan as it is over here. I don't mean to generalize, of course, but I just want to inform you that it won't be as easy to get a near-unanimous outcry on this issue as it would be were it purely domestic.Even if they are in the right legally that still does not mean we should take this lying down and let them get away with it, if they do this who knows how far they'll go? Maybe they'll even start targeting Pokemon fansites like Dogasu's Backpack next? Sho-Pro are greedy and malicious bastards and I wouldn't put anything past them at this point.
I highly doubt most of the Japanese fanbase gives a rat's ass about a smaller Youtuber like Suede talking about the dub of PokemonYou've got to keep in mind not only the language barrier, but the cultural barrier at play here. Your argument would likely come off as rather conceited from ShoPro's perspective, to say the least. And it can't be guaranteed that most of the Japanese fanbase will sympathize with your cause either. Not only is fair use barely a thing legally in Japan as you mentioned which would make them less accustomed to the concept, but as far as I'm aware public anti-corporate sentiment isn't nearly as widespread in Japan as it is over here. I don't mean to generalize, of course, but I just want to inform you that it won't be as easy to get a near-unanimous outcry on this issue as it would be were it purely domestic.
There aren't really anime YouTubers in Japan correct?I highly doubt most of the Japanese fanbase gives a rat's ass about a smaller Youtuber like Suede talking about the dub of Pokemon
The point is that Sho-Pro wouldn't care about Western audience opinions. I remember the episodes of "Journeys" were officialy released in Youtube (I don't know if they are still doing this), but these were blocked outside Japan.I highly doubt most of the Japanese fanbase gives a rat's ass about a smaller Youtuber like Suede talking about the dub of Pokemon
Not that i'm aware of.There aren't really anime YouTubers in Japan correct?
Well see about that, now that Kotaku has picked up the story things will get very interesting: https://kotaku.com/youtube-shopro-suede-fair-use-copyright-anime-pokemon-p-1848478203The point is that Sho-Pro wouldn't care about Western audience opinions. I remember the episodes of "Journeys" were officialy released in Youtube (I don't know if they are still doing this), but these were blocked outside Japan.
Sho-Pro would mainly care about Japanese audience opinions. The problem is Japanese fanbase wouldn't care about a smaller youtuber.
snowmint said:Didn't dogasu pull out an interview from the Japanese side saying 4kids was not happy about the cross dressing?
darksteel6 said:People just have such an insane hatred for 4Kids
Yash said:That's interesting because the new Shaman King series (dubbed by Netflix) got back as much of the 4Kids cast as were seemingly willing to come back, including Megan Hollingshead, and you can kind of tell the difference between the returning 4Kids cast and the new cast members based on who's doing overacting cartoon voices versus taking a more natural approach. Still, the 4Kids actors are a lot more subdued than they were in the actual 4Kids dub, and having more mature dialogue probably helps a lot there too.
snowmint said:Why is there no insider working on the anime trying to fight to get the narration redubbed or something?
The point is that Sho-Pro wouldn't care about Western audience opinions. I remember the episodes of "Journeys" were officialy released in Youtube (I don't know if they are still doing this), but these were blocked outside Japan.
No, I think it's just that ShoPro doesn't like it when non-official sources (i.e. fan Youtube accounts) post clips from the shows they own the rights to.
Which is something we've known for YEARS, by the way.
Nah 4Kids were not a "bad company" and did not produce "terrible products" at all, I think that's complete and utter nonsense. Like it or not if it wasn't for them, Pokemon wouldn't have been anywhere near the cultural phenomenon it was.Doing some catchup:
Yup. It was veteran animator Sayuri Ichi'ishi who revealed this back in 2018:
No, I think people's dislike of 4Kids is completely warranted. They were a bad company that produced terrible products. It's not really all that complicated.
Something else I've noticed is that the Pokémon dubs based out in California -- so Pokémon Origins, Pokémon Generations, Pokémon Evolution -- tend to sound much, much more natural than any of the regular TV series stuff still coming out of New York. It's like the New York actors are stuck in some kind of time warp, unable to escape the sort of one-dimensional cartoon voice acting that was the norm in the 1990s but has long since been phased out everywhere else.
Probably because a redub like what you're suggesting wouldn't even make it past the proposal stage. Why would OLM bother to spend the time, money, effort, etc. to redub a single episode from 20 years ago? What would that do for them, exactly?
As for the whole ShoPro YouTube thing...I'm not sure why the topic's even coming up in this thread...? I'm not a YouTuber, and I've never talked about ever watching anipoke YouTubers in the past.
I do think 4Kids is kinda nostalgic for me (at least Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh wise anyway) but there is no denying that there are a few pretty terrible stuff from them. Of course the infamous One Piece dub they did is no doubt the biggest stench from them without a doubt and Pokémon wise Chronicles was easily the lowest point for them.Nah 4Kids were not a "bad company" and did not produce "terrible products" at all, I think that's complete and utter nonsense. Like it or not if it wasn't for them, Pokemon wouldn't have been anywhere near the cultural phenomenon it was.
Chronicles was pretty damn good IMO, One Piece was bad but that was less their fault and more Toei's for forcing them to dub it in the first place, even if someone else had dubbed it, there was pretty no chance of a dub of that show meant for daytime TV to be any good.(due to strict FCC standards)I do think 4Kids is kinda nostalgic for me (at least Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh wise anyway) but there is no denying that there are a few pretty terrible stuff from them. Of course the infamous One Piece dub they did is no doubt the biggest stench from them without a doubt and Pokémon wise Chronicles was easily the lowest point for them.
Agreed, I think far too anime Pokemon purists are living like it's still the late 90s and 2000s and still haven't gotten over 4kids "violating" their precious show. Kahn certainly said some bizarre stuff, but he wasn't like some cartoonishly evil supervillain like so many 4Kids haters made him out to be.I hesitate to call 4Kids a "bad company", because I think there were a lot of good (if sometimes misguided) people working for or under them. I can't really say the same for the management side, though; Alfred Kahn in particular made a lot of questionable statements over the years, to say the least.
darksteel6 said:if it wasn't for them, Pokemon wouldn't have been anywhere near the cultural phenomenon it was.
PaperSplash said:I hesitate to call 4Kids a "bad company", because I think there were a lot of good (if sometimes misguided) people working for or under them.
darksteel6 said:One Piece was bad but that was less their fault and more Toei's for forcing them to dub it in the first place
darksteel6 said:even if someone else had dubbed it, there was pretty no chance of a dub of that show meant for daytime TV to be any good.(due to strict FCC standards)
Fair enough.I didn't say 4Kids didn't have any good people working with them. I said that 4Kids was a bad company.
Sometimes, good people work for bad companies.
Al Khan says in recent interviews that it was his company, 4kids that brought the show over and convinced Nintendo to do it, otherwise it was going to stay in Japan forever.I hesitate to call 4Kids a "bad company", because I think there were a lot of good (if sometimes misguided) people working for or under them. I can't really say the same for the management side, though; Alfred Kahn in particular made a lot of questionable statements over the years, to say the least.