- Jun 9, 2012
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All that is fair, but could you please try to read up on the cases on Piko and I and take a stance?
Agreed. You mess up I’m bussing you.Why not? I do this all the time when I am scum. Bussing early on D1, i.e. sussing/voting a scum partner, is an easy way to distance early & I can always backtrack if necessary.
I don’t get the obsession with it either.why? Do you think that the player that targeted Zexy is more likely to be mafia or town?
Idk why I quoted this.Fair enough, I was pretty speculative in general yesterday but I did try to follow a train of thought I believed to be logical in expressing my case to vote jaison over wissen.
While as I’ve said nothing is wrong with snowy voting because I didn’t have an explanation during my initial vote. This part is red flags from you. It looks more like you’re trying to paint me in a bad light using snowy and Piko as a cover, and to make Zexy look good as though I’m some person abusing a poor defenseless child.What I see in Snowy's post is calling out a vote made on something that he didn't believe to be alignment indicative, aka saying that he thinks Mido's vote unfairly paints a target on Zexy's back. Sounds reasonable to me. It's not like he's implicitly helping Zexy in any way by voting or anything like that either because all the votes were tied at 1.
AgreedSo are these "normal circumstances" or not? Because your read leads off with the sense that you're gonna townread gentlefeather since these aren't "normal circumstances" but then you end up giving her a scumread at the end.
Gentle was originally against voting inactives so I can see them waffling on the decision in an attempt for information but wondering which to pick.I will say this. Regardless of who actually sealed Jaison's fate, the reason I think Jamie looks better than gentlefeather in this situation is because he did not hesitate when voting Jaison, he just made a choice and went. Whereas I think scum is more likely to look for approval and ask questions before making a decision so that in the case it is a miselim it's not entirely "their fault."
Forcing reads is no good either. They’re superficial then. Not everyone needs to do reads. Some people like doing them some don’t. I hate them because i work off the logic of if I think you’re mafia I will take you down.also want something more substantial from LICH. Encouraging LICH to discuss something that's already been discussed pretty thoroughly is not going to result in something more substantial from LICH. Encouraging LICH to give reads on other players backed up with reasoning will result in something more substantial from LICH.
Honestly this part of your guys argument is ridiculous. It just feels like you guys are grasping at something to discuss that is honestly NAI at this point.Not really. All you have done is separate the people who have posted a decent amount (plus snowy) from like four other players who are inactive (some of whom you even gave townreads to!!!) and said "here, there's two mafia in this group of half the players." And then you just said there's one scum in the remaining players who aren't as active or were more null in your eyes. If that's the point you were trying to make (two amongst the actives plus snowy, one inactive) it was incredibly unclear.
I'm lost as to what you mean, his defense isn't a direct one. He acknowledged that wissen was scummy, but did so by redirecting the attention towards jaison instead of the root of the issue (which was wissen).So show quotes of his defense. You’re saying it exists, so show it. For the record LICH has stated te same flaw and I might have too. So I agree the jaison choice never made sense but I can’t recall a Wissen defense until the sub in. So quote it for everyone to prove your point.
2017 probably, look before Zexy Games III in the archive, anything I was not hosting/MoDing I would play... But I am pretty sure my meta is not the same as back then. I am more of a frustrated player who pressured and threw accusations to see what sticks this time, before I could make a calm and collected and calculated case on someone. Back then I was more "by the book", avoiding to point out uncomfortable truths unless I was confident enough. Or say things like "sorry it is not statistically likely you flip scum but your flip gives maximum info".
….We’re you not just saying early how you are the type to bus even day one? So why suddenly can that not be true for Zexy?The fuck??? If you are town, and Zexy and I are scum, how does it benefit us for Zexy to just telegraph my lynch on Day 3 like he did? To bus me and give himself cred?? At the cost of losing a whole ass teammate? In this game, where getting access to power is the same as rolling a 4 on a d4, numbers matter. Scum want to keep their partners alive. Especially the active ones.
Could be distancing. Just saying.Wait, if we're scumbuds, shouldn't Zexy be putting me as a lower priority target? He isn't! I am next in line on his chopping block if you flip town! From your POV, if you're town, you should understand that!!!
No, I just did not have something better to work with at the timeSo you think voting and making a case on a hunch is a good ideas after the last one that failed spectacularly?
Here is the thing. Many times I may vote early phase despite being reluctant. Those times, I outright say it I am reluctant. I was NOT reluctant about jaison at the time, I genuinely believed that was the best flip we could work with d1. I am NOT reluctant with Piko. I WAS reluctant on Raven d1 and LICH d2. I outright say which cases I really like more and which I make mid phase just to get discussion rolling.If you’re reluctant then why? If you’re reluctant then you shouldn’t be voting them since it means you’re not confident.
Yesterday I believed they slipped just like Caps believed. Unfortunately reality proved me wrong the moment jaison flipped. So I have to accept wissen was always a troll, and mafia knew it all along, so I am using as a true statement in analysis from now on when trying to scum read someone.…now Wissen is a troll but not yesterday?
How is that even a good case when you cannot remember why you started making the case...can’t remember why I originally quoted this but matching it with Zexy not wanting to pressure snowy definitely makes them look very buddy buddy.
Let me just say, I have my reasons. My case on Raven Jamie is a bit complicated, but I would not sleep on it. Or worry too much about it!And you didn’t think that was suspicious yesterday? Especially after what I pointed out about Raven? Wouldn’t it make sense to push him on the fact that he wants to lynch inactives but blatantly ignores one?