Speculation Gen 9 Predictions (Development predictions, New Regions, Version names)

[takoyaki]

Just because one forum member didn't know what one half of the name meant?

nadir is not a well-known word, apex is a little better, but honestly that wouldn't work well imo. and languages are issues too.

Pokemon Balance
Pokemon Harmony

"two different ideas" is a cool thing, instead of opposing ideas. i wonder how the villian teams would work for that one

Been playing SMT5 so...

"Order" and "Chaos".

makes me think of splatoon, as well. i like it!!

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

I only know what "Apex" means because I’m pursuing a botany degree… I doubt young kids are familiar about Undergraduate Botany vocabulary… Not to mention for most kids "Nadir" is just a random name.

 

[Sheep40]

Apex and Nadir specifically are astronomical terms, but they can also be used to refer to literary arcs.

 

[Oriden]

I know Apex from the term "apex predator"... but yeah, Apex and Nadir aren't names for pokemon games. Pokemon uses words that are very elementary, like something a six year old would know and recognize. And I don't believe the reason for that is rooted in the games being meant for children, it's moreso that they use English words for the titles despite originating in Japanese-- it's English words that the developers know. So they're names that are going to be recognizable for a foreign-speaking audience. Therefor, very unlikely that they would use obscure upper-level words like Apex and Nadir.

I think we'd have better luck finding the next games' names in a first grade vocabulary list.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Not to mention that easier to understand words are easier to integrate in marketing.

 

[FelipePR]

Apex and Nadir specifically are astronomical terms, but they can also be used to refer to literary arcs.

I don't know if Apex can be reduced to an astronomical term. As far as I understand, it's a Latin term which initially denoted a piece of religious attire of Roman priests, which was later used figuratively to denote "the highest point", and which more later also came to take on an astronomical meaning.

What I mean to say is that Apex probably holds correlation with word similes in all languages of Latin origin, like Ápice (in Portuguese). So it would not be uncommon for western audiences to understand such an expression, so much so that there is a popular game called Apex Legends.

In the case of Nadir, which seems to have Arabic or Hebrew origins, and is used only as an astronomical meaning in the Western world, its understanding would certainly be complicated.

 

[Bigfoot_the_Pokémon]

In the case of Nadir, which seems to have Arabic or Hebrew origins

@Maniacal Engineer does it really? You're fluent

After realizing what Nadir means, it does seem that it would be tricky, but in a Game Informer article a little ways back, they mentioned something about GF wanting their names to be fluent in multiple languages. So I dunno

 

[Oriden]

@Maniacal Engineer does it really? You're fluent

After realizing what Nadir means, it does seem that it would be tricky, but in a Game Informer article a little ways back, they mentioned something about GF wanting their names to be fluent in multiple languages. So I dunno

Pretty sure they mean very basic words like Sun and Moon and Sword and Shield, that are easily understood and recognized. Definitely not something that even a native English speaker wouldn't recognize, like Nadir.

 

[Maniacal Engineer]

@Maniacal Engineer does it really? You're fluent

After realizing what Nadir means, it does seem that it would be tricky, but in a Game Informer article a little ways back, they mentioned something about GF wanting their names to be fluent in multiple languages. So I dunno

Hebrew, no. The closest words we have in Hebrew are נדר (Neder), which means “vow,” and נזיר (Nazir), which refers to someone who has taken a vow to be a Nazarite.
Neither of those are even close to the astronomical term “nadir.”

I think there is a word in Arabic that’s similar to nadir, but I’m not fluent in Arabic.

 

[Sheep40]

Nadir is actually a Farsi word.

 

[Kallyle]

Hear me out: Pokémon Corn and Wheat

It checks all of the boxes: Ideas/Things that are opposite, easy to translate into another language, and capable of a remake (Golden Wheat and Pale Corn)

What would be the legendries for those games be though? Crops? Farmers? What's the lore behind them?

Okay, now I'm just imagining the box mascots as literally just two competing farmers. I mean, if the starters keep getting more humanoid with each new region, might as well have the legends follow suit! XD

 

[Neyo]

What would be the legendries for those games be though? Crops? Farmers? What's the lore behind them?

Yes. Farmers made of the aforementioned plant for each game. The 3rd Legendary to complete the trio is a rich capitalist. Starters are a tractor, bull, and weed. Main plot is how there’s an evil team (though I suppose they would be good) trying to make a super-crop, requiring them to capture the legendaries.

 

[Mr. MoonStone]

In the case of Nadir, which seems to have Arabic or Hebrew origins, and is used only as an astronomical meaning in the Western world, its understanding would certainly be complicated.

Speaking as an Arab, the first thing I thought when I saw that word was the name...which was very confusing for me because it doesn't really mean the same thing in Arabic lol

 

[Bolt Strike]

If we're floating around potential names/themes here are my suggestions (although I think they'd be better for certain circumstances that will probably happen in later generations and not 9th gen):

Past and Future
Fantasy and Reality (I really want them to save that for a potential VR title in the future, the theming is just too perfect)
One and All (good theme for a Russian region if we ever get one, could make a good kid-friendly take on Russia's communist history and the debate surrounding capitalism vs. socialism)
Myth and Fact

And yes, I like @Timaeus' suggestion of Order and Chaos too.

 

[Sheep40]

Well, any suggestions as to what could be used to follow the "highest and lowest" theme naming I suggested? One word, too. Pokemon Sky High and Pokemon Rock Bottom don't necessarily sound like something GF and Nintendo would do.

It's not a celestial theme, it's actually a psychological one. Apex version's legendary represented alienation by virtue of success, whilst Nadir's represents demonization by way of prominent failure. The games have this obsession with the ancient Greek concept of "hamartia", which literally means to miss in archery, but colloquially means sin. On one hand, we have a paragon of virtue that cannot connect to anything around it because it is so perfect, and on the other we have an embodiment of vice that seethes with hate for all who rejected it for it's imperfections. The game even have a karma system a lot like dishonored (though it only increases with special actions and dialogue) and it's main themes are about choice in the face of mortality and chaos.

 

[Battista]

Not my original idea, found it on Reddit a long time ago, but hear me out:

 

[Oriden]

Well, any suggestions as to what could be used to follow the "highest and lowest" theme naming I suggested? One word, too. Pokemon Sky High and Pokemon Rock Bottom don't necessarily sound like something GF and Nintendo would do.

It's not a celestial theme, it's actually a psychological one. Apex version's legendary represented alienation by virtue of success, whilst Nadir's represents demonization by way of prominent failure. The games have this obsession with the ancient Greek concept of "hamartia", which literally means to miss in archery, but colloquially means sin. On one hand, we have a paragon of virtue that cannot connect to anything around it because it is so perfect, and on the other we have an embodiment of vice that seethes with hate for all who rejected it for it's imperfections. The game even have a karma system a lot like dishonored (though it only increases with special actions and dialogue) and it's main themes are about choice in the face of mortality and chaos.

Earth and Sky?

Pokemon seems to go with basic nouns and then adds an adjective (or in the case of Let's Go, a common phrase) or other simple modifying word for the remakes.

 

[ShieldFan]

Some titles that I thought:

• Future and Past (my bet)
• King and Queen
• Light and Shadow
• Dream and Nightmare
• Brown and Orange

 

[takoyaki]

Some titles that I thought:

• Future and Past (my bet)
• King and Queen
• Light and Shadow
• Dream and Nighmare
• Brown and Orange

I love future/past, light/shadow, and dream/nightmare
dream/nightmare could have cool fairy/dark typings

 

[Sheep40]

I second dream and nightmare