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Gen VI Pokemon Discussion

Which are your favourite Pokemon revealed so far?


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I actually just noticed it the other day (others have probably, certainly mentioned it), but the "bows" on Sylveon could also pass for butterflies, for those who believe it is a Bug-type. I originally thought they guessed Bug for it's huge eyes, but now I could see it as a hint for Bug-type.

Although the rest of Sylveon...doesn't really say bug to me.
 

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I actually just noticed it the other day (others have probably, certainly mentioned it), but the "bows" on Sylveon could also pass for butterflies, for those who believe it is a Bug-type. I originally thought they guessed Bug for it's huge eyes, but now I could see it as a hint for Bug-type.

Although the rest of Sylveon...doesn't really say bug to me.

The bug thing could be a good suggestion, although in another sense in my opinion.

If you look at this picture:

http://i.imgur.com/UEHEr19.jpg


Compare the symbol on Sylveon's frame with Burgh's Insect Badge:

http://th05.deviantart.net/fs71/150/f/2011/170/0/6/insect_badge_by_zexion21-d3jc8y0.png


Though if I assume they introduce a new type, let's say the Fairy Type as many people are saying, then it's not far off either. Bugs have always been a 'forest' thing (a good number of kids in Japan looove bug-catching in the woods mind you lol) and especially in the Pokemon franchise. Also, Fairies are generally portrayed as forest creatures in our world. If Burgh's badge were based on an insect wing, then my following argument breaks down, but if the badge were a representation of forest creatures instead, then the Fairy Type speculation still hangs on pretty tight.
 

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@Utsune; Yes, I forgot to mention that; I also noticed the resemblance to Burgh's badge.

Though, the thing about the Fairy-type is, nothing really says "fairy" to me other than its being pink.

Many people argue that Sylveon can't be "insert type here" because it doesn't look like "insert type here" and all Eeveelutions resemble their types, obviously (which I could argue that not all of them do, but...not now). In this case, I don't see anything Fairy or Light, or anything that Sylveon could obviously be. It just doesn't scream, "I'M A LIGHT/FAIRY TYPE!" to me. It looks Normal at first glance, and maybe Flying if the flowing ribbons mean anything.

What I'm basically wondering is, is there anything other than that rumor that makes people think it is a Fairy type?

Other than a new type, I'm thinking it'll be either Normal, Flying, Dragon (it could be, though, again, not by just looking at it), or Bug.
 

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Well, remember that Dark is actually Evil in Japanese. Not quite the opposing elements we're thinking of, but I suppose it is similar.

Yeah you're right, I do realise it's not a direct translation (although personally I feel Dark is a better word choice!) In any case, I do expect if there were anything to be Dark's opposite, Game Freak will make sure the English translation should get something along the lines of Light even when the Japanese doesn't mean it literally. Then again, I speak as if Light Type would be happening lol. Speculations speculations :)



well flying types don't have to have wings look at duduo, dodrio, gyrados, jumpluff, rayquaza, drifblim, rotom, tornadus, thundurus, and landorus

Lol I really agree, that's why I hesitated when I typed that. However, by looking at the previous Eevees (Vaporeon with fins and Water Absorb, Flareon and its firey fur with Flash Fire, Jolteon and its spiky lightning with Volt Absorb, Leafeon with leafy ears and tail, Umbreon is jet black with red eyes, Espeon has a gem to imply supernaturalness and splitting tail for abnormality, Glaceon with (only) Snow Cloak) I feel that Eeveelutions are in a way the definition of the types they each represent, so while having wings doesn't defining a Flying Type, I really feel the Flying Eevee should have some sort of wing feature.




From what GF have posted on the Pokemon official website, it seems more likely than not. I cant see where Fairy fits in with anything though. But there again, I have never seen the point of the normal type imparticularly. Pokemon like Porygon could easily be another type. The idea that Porygon can move through cyberspace could indicate either electric, psychic or ghost. A specific type for legendary pokemon would be good. I think that the Steel, Dark, and Normal types are a bit flawed, as Steel seems quite specific. If they renamed it to Metal, it would be more fitting, as it would be able to encapsulate more types, than just steel. Dark just doesn't make sense to me, I guess it does have its space, but I don't see much use for it, Normal could usually fit into anything else. The move Explosion is a normal move, yet an explosion is usually an outburst of energy in the form of heat radiation, for example BLEVEs, Giga IMPACT would seem to be more of a fighting move. I guess it is kept at normal so that all Pokemon can learn it...I don't know. Head charge; again should be fighting. It is a fighting style move. I would feel that things like Hyperbeam and Gigaimpact if not should go in the ??? move set, as it could be said as an "unexplained power".

That is just my opinion though.

If you notice though, the dark types most damaging move is Foul Play with a power of only 95. Hmm.

Definitely something that I've thought about. I don't really get the difference between Ground and Rock types either if I'd be critical. Rock is just a subset of Ground, no? (Haha) I think Normal Type is fine in a sense. You have a type that is completely unrelated to anything else (element-wise,) for example, you scratch normally, you tackle normally etc. If anything, I'd call Fighting Type a subset of Normal Type, and funny how Flying is super effective on Fighting just because the Pokemon knows how to throw a punch or two, but normal effectiveness on Normal Types.

I'd say Types are either based on:
1) 'elemental' affiliations and other forms of power (such as Water, Fire, Electricity, Poison, Psychic, maybe Ground/Rock;)
2) zoological classifications (notably Bug, Flying, Dragon... I would also place Grass here because of their plant relation;) or
3) 'application' of their 'character' (which would explain for Fighting and Dark.)

The anomalies according to the above three points would probably be Steel and possibly Rock in a sense.

'Fairy' could probably go into either (2) or (3) IF this really is true lol (which I think Sylveon could be just to relate this post back to topic.) 'Light' is definitely (3).

And finally, with reason number (3), Game Freaks can create any Types they want haha, call it Space call it Astral, heck call it Smiling Type if you want! *Smiling attack is super effective on Houndoom!* lol

Sylveon can definitely own Umbreon.



Just some random ideas I cooked up to give Sylveon's possible new type a reasoning.

i would have to disagree with a flying eeveelution needing wings.
for one, it's a feline creature so that would look....well kinda dumb
 

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i would have to disagree with a flying eeveelution needing wings.
for one, it's a feline creature so that would look....well kinda dumb

I would like to think that if they did make a Flying eeveelution, that they would base it off the Flying Fox, being as it would literally be a flying-type fox. They're the largest family of bats, and certainly live up to their name of looking like foxes with wings (albeit without tails).

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i would have to disagree with a flying eeveelution needing wings.
for one, it's a feline creature so that would look....well kinda dumb

I would like to think that if they did make a Flying eeveelution, that they would base it off the Flying Fox, being as it would literally be a flying-type fox. They're the largest family of bats, and certainly live up to their name of looking like foxes with wings (albeit without tails).

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Interesting, although all Eeveelutions seem to have different designs on the same basic animal, so I doubt they'd base a flying type Eeveelution on a different animal to the others. That is why I think it is possible to picture Sylveon as the Flying Type in my mind. I do not believe a Flying Type Eeveelution would need wings as a requirement.
 

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They could create flying using the tail things around its neck, a bit like Tails from Sonic.
 

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If anything the picture with all the Eeveelutions surrounded by their respective frame points to a new type. We don't have this kind of pink in our current type chart represented, the wing shape points not to Bug or Flying but to Fairy in my opinion and the whole frame looks like an egg, suggesting fertility and love, things perfectly in line with the Fairy concept. I think I am convinced now that there will indeed be a new type. Maybe it IS called Fairy in Japanese but I too think that there's a good chance they will give the type another name in other territories, like Magic or even Light.
 

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@Utsune; Yes, I forgot to mention that; I also noticed the resemblance to Burgh's badge.

Though, the thing about the Fairy-type is, nothing really says "fairy" to me other than its being pink.

Many people argue that Sylveon can't be "insert type here" because it doesn't look like "insert type here" and all Eeveelutions resemble their types, obviously (which I could argue that not all of them do, but...not now). In this case, I don't see anything Fairy or Light, or anything that Sylveon could obviously be. It just doesn't scream, "I'M A LIGHT/FAIRY TYPE!" to me. It looks Normal at first glance, and maybe Flying if the flowing ribbons mean anything.

What I'm basically wondering is, is there anything other than that rumor that makes people think it is a Fairy type?

Other than a new type, I'm thinking it'll be either Normal, Flying, Dragon (it could be, though, again, not by just looking at it), or Bug.


Well yeah haha of course, at this point in time it's only pure speculations here. I think the people are mostly basing the new "Fairy" Type on the fact that there are a handful of Pokemon in this Egg Group. Second main reason is, with Pokemon X and Y being possibly based on a genetics theme, it won't be a surprise if they took an Egg Group and turn that into a Typing. For now, there're only rumours and speculations, but if you want to see something slightly different I could give you a biased account of statistics I cooked up randomly below.

(Possible tl;dr ahead)

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Firstly, the Pokemon which belongs to the Fairy Egg Group only are mostly pink (of the 9, 7 are Pink and Normal Type, the other 2 are Plusle and Minun.) Some of them also have a significant portion of White.

If you take a look at this list:

Fairy (Egg Group) - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia

The Pokemon with a Typing other than Normal have their own representative colours, so we can ignore them for the sake of this argument (eg. Pikachu is yellow and not pink because it's Electric Type.)

Jumpluff, Mawile, Pachirisu, and Snorunt are the only exceptions here (now having a colour to represent their typing.) Statistically, the ratio compared to the ones above is therefore 4:17, a negligible minority.

The remaining half-Fairies are Snubbull, Granbull, Skitty, Delcatty, Castform. All of which are Pink, and White in case of Castform. I'll be biased here and mention Togetic/Togekiss (Fairy/Flying Group) are also white.

Colours-wise, there are the Pink Pokemon (according to Dex Colour, not counting baby Pokemon just yet, and I will ignore the 11 Psychic types just because Psychic can be represented by Pink.) There are 12 which aren't part of the Fairy Egg Group (7 are Normal, 5 are Water.) All 3 of the remaining baby Pokemon evolve into one of the Fairy Egg Group Pokemon. If we count them as being part of the Fairy line, that gives 15 Fairy-related Pokemon in the Pink Pokemon Group, which is the majority.

I know this is a very very crude non-scientific argument lol, being biased with statistics, but this pretty much explains the logic behind the colour Pink (and maybe a bit of White) being related to Fairies.

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(tl;dr ends here.)

Which finally *somehow vaguely* leads to the point that Sylveon is Pink and White. And the conclusion is?

Though, the thing about the Fairy-type is, nothing really says "fairy" to me other than its being pink.

This, haha.

And then there are the bow ties.






They could create flying using the tail things around its neck, a bit like Tails from Sonic.

So Sylveon flies like a helicopter? :p
(I kid I kid)
 

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I know this is a very very crude non-scientific argument lol, being biased with statistics, but this pretty much explains the logic behind the colour Pink (and maybe a bit of White) being related to Fairies.

Well, I can see where you're going, but Eevee itself isn't in the Fairy Egg Group and neither are it's evolutions. I know there are some exceptions, but if Sylveon was a Fairy, I'd just have thought it would be in that Egg Group.

Although, I guess that doesn't mean anything, seeing as Vaporeon isn't in any Water Egg Group. Fairy could still be plausible, though, I'd hope it was based on just a bit more than just color.
 

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@Utsune; Yes, I forgot to mention that; I also noticed the resemblance to Burgh's badge.

Though, the thing about the Fairy-type is, nothing really says "fairy" to me other than its being pink.

Many people argue that Sylveon can't be "insert type here" because it doesn't look like "insert type here" and all Eeveelutions resemble their types, obviously (which I could argue that not all of them do, but...not now). In this case, I don't see anything Fairy or Light, or anything that Sylveon could obviously be. It just doesn't scream, "I'M A LIGHT/FAIRY TYPE!" to me. It looks Normal at first glance, and maybe Flying if the flowing ribbons mean anything.

What I'm basically wondering is, is there anything other than that rumor that makes people think it is a Fairy type?

Other than a new type, I'm thinking it'll be either Normal, Flying, Dragon (it could be, though, again, not by just looking at it), or Bug.


Well yeah haha of course, at this point in time it's only pure speculations here. I think the people are mostly basing the new "Fairy" Type on the fact that there are a handful of Pokemon in this Egg Group. Second main reason is, with Pokemon X and Y being possibly based on a genetics theme, it won't be a surprise if they took an Egg Group and turn that into a Typing. For now, there're only rumours and speculations, but if you want to see something slightly different I could give you a biased account of statistics I cooked up randomly below.

(Possible tl;dr ahead)

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Firstly, the Pokemon which belongs to the Fairy Egg Group only are mostly pink (of the 9, 7 are Pink and Normal Type, the other 2 are Plusle and Minun.) Some of them also have a significant portion of White.

If you take a look at this list:

Fairy (Egg Group) - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia

The Pokemon with a Typing other than Normal have their own representative colours, so we can ignore them for the sake of this argument (eg. Pikachu is yellow and not pink because it's Electric Type.)

Jumpluff, Mawile, Pachirisu, and Snorunt are the only exceptions here (now having a colour to represent their typing.) Statistically, the ratio compared to the ones above is therefore 4:17, a negligible minority.

The remaining half-Fairies are Snubbull, Granbull, Skitty, Delcatty, Castform. All of which are Pink, and White in case of Castform. I'll be biased here and mention Togetic/Togekiss (Fairy/Flying Group) are also white.

Colours-wise, there are the Pink Pokemon (according to Dex Colour, not counting baby Pokemon just yet, and I will ignore the 11 Psychic types just because Psychic can be represented by Pink.) There are 12 which aren't part of the Fairy Egg Group (7 are Normal, 5 are Water.) All 3 of the remaining baby Pokemon evolve into one of the Fairy Egg Group Pokemon. If we count them as being part of the Fairy line, that gives 15 Fairy-related Pokemon in the Pink Pokemon Group, which is the majority.

I know this is a very very crude non-scientific argument lol, being biased with statistics, but this pretty much explains the logic behind the colour Pink (and maybe a bit of White) being related to Fairies.


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(tl;dr ends here.)

Which finally *somehow vaguely* leads to the point that Sylveon is Pink and White. And the conclusion is?

Though, the thing about the Fairy-type is, nothing really says "fairy" to me other than its being pink.

This, haha.

And then there are the bow ties.






They could create flying using the tail things around its neck, a bit like Tails from Sonic.

So Sylveon flies like a helicopter? :p
(I kid I kid)

you do realize that they don't have to be pink to be fairy. fairies are more than just girly creatures banshees and goblins are fairies too.
also pokemon aren't always the color of their type, like Pokemon that are part ground like swampert aren't brown.
 

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you do realize that they don't have to be pink to be fairy. fairies are more than just girly creatures banshees and goblins are fairies too.
also pokemon aren't always the color of their type, like Pokemon that are part ground like swampert aren't brown.

Yes good point, I fully notice that myself, but I'm making a very bold assumption here, which is that: All the Eeveelutions (other than Eevee itself) has a colour that follows their Type colour representation. By this (partially forced) logic, a pink Eevee could only be Psychic, Normal, or maybe poison or Flying, a white Eevee could only be Normal, Flying, or possibly Steel. And by going with colours alone, if they ever made a Ghost Eevee, it would be Purple themed, Ground Eevee be some sort of Brown, Bug Eevee is probably on the spectrum of Green/Yellow.

All in all, merely a bold assumption :p
 

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Yes good point, I fully notice that myself, but I'm making a very bold assumption here, which is that: All the Eeveelutions (other than Eevee itself) has a colour that follows their Type colour representation. By this (partially forced) logic, a pink Eevee could only be Psychic, Normal, or maybe poison or Flying, a white Eevee could only be Normal, Flying, or possibly Steel. And by going with colours alone, if they ever made a Ghost Eevee, it would be Purple themed, Ground Eevee be some sort of Brown, Bug Eevee is probably on the spectrum of Green/Yellow.

All in all, merely a bold assumption :p

Well if there is a normal eeveelution, I would assume it would be the last one, and it would most likely keep it's iconic brown coat.
I'll be honest, fairy could happen, but I cannot see Sylveon being Fairy type. He still seems like a Flying type to me
 

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If Sylveon turns out to be the newly mentioned Fairy Type I would like to say that a second Eeveelution this generation (If there is one and I hope there is) would probably be a Steel Type since fairies are known to have a weakness to iron and going by what they have done with Eeveelutions since Generations 2 and 4 where one Eeveelution is super effective against the other (Umbreon was strong against Espeon and Glaceon was storng against Leafeon) so this wouldn't be a bad idea at all. Another idea for a second Eeveelution if Sylveon is a Fairy Type would be a Dragon Type if they go with a Fairy vs. Dragon theme and with the super effectiveness thing I think Fairy would be strong against Dragon so Sylveon would have the upper hand against a Dragon Eeveelution.

What do you guys thinK?
 

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If Sylveon turns out to be the newly mentioned Fairy Type I would like to say that a second Eeveelution this generation (If there is one and I hope there is) would probably be a Steel Type since fairies are known to have a weakness to iron and going by what they have done with Eeveelutions since Generations 2 and 4 where one Eeveelution is super effective against the other (Umbreon was strong against Espeon and Glaceon was storng against Leafeon) so this wouldn't be a bad idea at all. Another idea for a second Eeveelution if Sylveon is a Fairy Type would be a Dragon Type if they go with a Fairy vs. Dragon theme and with the super effectiveness thing I think Fairy would be strong against Dragon so Sylveon would have the upper hand against a Dragon Eeveelution.

What do you guys thinK?

If fairy turns out to be true, I'd think dragon to be a good possible second 'lution to go with it. Probably just a personal opinion, but then we'd have 2 types of these eeveelutions based on mythical creatures, as opposed to elements, night/day, and whatever leafeon and glaceon represent, I know they're SOME sort of opposite...
 

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If Sylveon turns out to be the newly mentioned Fairy Type I would like to say that a second Eeveelution this generation (If there is one and I hope there is) would probably be a Steel Type since fairies are known to have a weakness to iron and going by what they have done with Eeveelutions since Generations 2 and 4 where one Eeveelution is super effective against the other (Umbreon was strong against Espeon and Glaceon was storng against Leafeon) so this wouldn't be a bad idea at all. Another idea for a second Eeveelution if Sylveon is a Fairy Type would be a Dragon Type if they go with a Fairy vs. Dragon theme and with the super effectiveness thing I think Fairy would be strong against Dragon so Sylveon would have the upper hand against a Dragon Eeveelution.

What do you guys thinK?

If fairy turns out to be true, I'd think dragon to be a good possible second 'lution to go with it. Probably just a personal opinion, but then we'd have 2 types of these eeveelutions based on mythical creatures, as opposed to elements, night/day, and whatever leafeon and glaceon represent, I know they're SOME sort of opposite...

Yeah I think a Dragon and Fairy Eeveelution would make a perfect combination like you just previously mentioned both being based off mythical creatures and all.
 

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Sylveon: y u no look like other eeveelutions?

Fairy is a good chance, unless the speculation has just been leaked somewhere untruthully. To the unspotted eye, Sylveon would not look like any eevee evolution more than Milotic looks like Cresselia
 

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I agree that a flying type Eevee based on a bat would be unlikely because it would be a departure from the usual body plan. If they were to make a flying Eevee, they would make it pure flying, not Normal/Flying, and Sylveon doesn't accomplish that. Enough people are convinced it's one of either of those types at the moment. From what we've seen so far you don't accomplish pure flying with wings, you do it with clouds. Something that doesn't need to touch the ground. If Drifloon and Drifblim weren't weirdly demonic trying to pull people into the underworld, they'd be a pretty strong contender for pure flying. A flying Eevee wouldn't have ribbons, it would have clouds.

As for Eevee not being in the fairy egg group, I don't really see it as a problem. Eevee's only in one group now, so they could easily retcon it into a second, or they could change or add fairy to the egg group for Sylveon. It's rare and has never been useful before, what with Shedinji being genderless and Nidorina/Nidoqueen's change still largely unexplained, but it would definitely add another dimension to breeding Eevee.

The other option is to just leave Sylveon in only Field. I'm sure not every fairy egg group pokemon would be retconned into the type, so I don't see why the type needs to be made up exclusively of pokemon from the egg group.
 

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This hit me a few days ago: we get the Poke Dex info for Sylveon and reads out--

Sylveon: the Fairy Pokemon (Insert boring and already known elemental type here.)

I don't know about you guys, but I could completely see GF doing that to us, as it would be an epic trolling.
 

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i would have to disagree with a flying eeveelution needing wings.
for one, it's a feline creature so that would look....well kinda dumb

I would like to think that if they did make a Flying eeveelution, that they would base it off the Flying Fox, being as it would literally be a flying-type fox. They're the largest family of bats, and certainly live up to their name of looking like foxes with wings (albeit without tails).

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Interesting, although all Eeveelutions seem to have different designs on the same basic animal, so I doubt they'd base a flying type Eeveelution on a different animal to the others. That is why I think it is possible to picture Sylveon as the Flying Type in my mind. I do not believe a Flying Type Eeveelution would need wings as a requirement.

A Flying-type Eeveelution based off a flying fox would be very appropriate. While it's true that Eeveelutions are all derived from canine inspirations they still take basis from many other mammals (usually with some mythical animal thrown in) as well:
-Vaporeon: Dolphin / Merlion
-Jolteon: Porcupine / Raiju
-Espeon: Cat / Nekomata
-Umbreon: Black Cat / Moon Rabbit
Flareon and Umbreon are really the only ones who don't stray away too much from complete canine and Leafeon is the most extreme case being based off plants as well. The canine appearance of the flying fox is just icing on the cake.
 
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