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Gen VI Pokemon Discussion

Which are your favourite Pokemon revealed so far?


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Re: Revealed Gen VI Pokemon Discussion/Speculation Thread

To me, a flying fox-inspired evolution would be the best fit for a flying-type eeveelution. As for straying away from the canine-feline base, a flying-type eeveelution could easily go down the griffin route and still keep the base intact; it would be similar to how Vaporeon sticks close to the base even though it gets a set of mane and ear fins, spines, and a dolphin tail. Or, better yet, the forelimbs could become wings and said flying eeveelution could walk on those. There common vampire bat is capable of walking and running on all four limbs.
 
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If Sylveon turns out to be the newly mentioned Fairy Type I would like to say that a second Eeveelution this generation (If there is one and I hope there is) would probably be a Steel Type since fairies are known to have a weakness to iron and going by what they have done with Eeveelutions since Generations 2 and 4 where one Eeveelution is super effective against the other (Umbreon was strong against Espeon and Glaceon was storng against Leafeon) so this wouldn't be a bad idea at all. Another idea for a second Eeveelution if Sylveon is a Fairy Type would be a Dragon Type if they go with a Fairy vs. Dragon theme and with the super effectiveness thing I think Fairy would be strong against Dragon so Sylveon would have the upper hand against a Dragon Eeveelution.

What do you guys thinK?

If fairy turns out to be true, I'd think dragon to be a good possible second 'lution to go with it. Probably just a personal opinion, but then we'd have 2 types of these eeveelutions based on mythical creatures, as opposed to elements, night/day, and whatever leafeon and glaceon represent, I know they're SOME sort of opposite...

while a dragon eeveelution would be amazing, I do not think we will be getting one this generation.
eeveelutions are released with one having a type advantage over the other. Well dragon doesn't seem as though it would be super effective or weak to fairy.
steel if more plausible as fairies are weak to steel and other metals really.
also, keep in mind the eeveelution picture that was released recently
350px-Eeveelutions.png

i am sure that this has been talked about MANY times, but it is worth pointing out i feel.
if you have noticed, any eeveelution is strong against, or weak to whatever is directly across from it.
flareon being across from glaceon, leafeon being across from vaporeon, etc.
well also take note that sylveon is directly across from jolteon.
well what could this mean?
for one, it could easily just mean it is just a coincidence, but i think it means more, as GF doesn't usually deal in coincidence.
well sylveon could quite possibly be ground (not too convincing) or flying (if we are going purely off of existing types).
the flying type evidence is very strong i still think.
as for sylveon being fairy type, i think everyone is giving Hiro too much credit. For one, Hiro was not the one that leaked the entire gen V dex. Melkor actually leaked the majority of it himself. Also Melkor even said that he is not even sure if fairy is even real and says that Hiro always rushes to conclusions without any real evidence and counts on everyone giving him credit just because he played a role in leaking the gen V dex.
Now, sure sylveon could be fairy. But if that is the case, we might already know what will happen to the type chart if we are basing out knowledge off of this picture. Electric just might strong against or (not as likely) weak to fairy type.
 

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If Sylveon turns out to be the newly mentioned Fairy Type I would like to say that a second Eeveelution this generation (If there is one and I hope there is) would probably be a Steel Type since fairies are known to have a weakness to iron and going by what they have done with Eeveelutions since Generations 2 and 4 where one Eeveelution is super effective against the other (Umbreon was strong against Espeon and Glaceon was storng against Leafeon) so this wouldn't be a bad idea at all. Another idea for a second Eeveelution if Sylveon is a Fairy Type would be a Dragon Type if they go with a Fairy vs. Dragon theme and with the super effectiveness thing I think Fairy would be strong against Dragon so Sylveon would have the upper hand against a Dragon Eeveelution.

What do you guys thinK?

If fairy turns out to be true, I'd think dragon to be a good possible second 'lution to go with it. Probably just a personal opinion, but then we'd have 2 types of these eeveelutions based on mythical creatures, as opposed to elements, night/day, and whatever leafeon and glaceon represent, I know they're SOME sort of opposite...

while a dragon eeveelution would be amazing, I do not think we will be getting one this generation.
eeveelutions are released with one having a type advantage over the other. Well dragon doesn't seem as though it would be super effective or weak to fairy.
steel if more plausible as fairies are weak to steel and other metals really.
also, keep in mind the eeveelution picture that was released recently
350px-Eeveelutions.png

i am sure that this has been talked about MANY times, but it is worth pointing out i feel.
if you have noticed, any eeveelution is strong against, or weak to whatever is directly across from it.
flareon being across from glaceon, leafeon being across from vaporeon, etc.
well also take note that sylveon is directly across from jolteon.
well what could this mean?
for one, it could easily just mean it is just a coincidence, but i think it means more, as GF doesn't usually deal in coincidence.
well sylveon could quite possibly be ground (not too convincing) or flying (if we are going purely off of existing types).
the flying type evidence is very strong i still think.
as for sylveon being fairy type, i think everyone is giving Hiro too much credit. For one, Hiro was not the one that leaked the entire gen V dex. Melkor actually leaked the majority of it himself. Also Melkor even said that he is not even sure if fairy is even real and says that Hiro always rushes to conclusions without any real evidence and counts on everyone giving him credit just because he played a role in leaking the gen V dex.
Now, sure sylveon could be fairy. But if that is the case, we might already know what will happen to the type chart if we are basing out knowledge off of this picture. Electric just might strong against or (not as likely) weak to fairy type.

I can agree with what your saying about Hiro and I'm definitely taking this with a grain of salt. I remember he said a while back ago that Sylveon was going to be a Pure Flying Type and now he's saying it's Fairy Type which to me seems rather inconsistent but hopefully we'll find out soon enough this month.
 

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Regarding the Eeveelution picture, note that the Eeeveelutions on the right side are stronger against their counterparts. Since Jolteon and Sylveon are on neither side, they could easily be neutral to each other. That is, assuming that the picture means anything at all.

I would like to say that a second Eeveelution this generation (If there is one and I hope there is)
I really don't think that you should be expecting a second Eeveelution. Leafeon and Glaceon were introduced together (when Diamond and Pearl were released) and I believe that Espeon and Umbreon were treated the same way (although I can't know for sure since Gold and Silver's pre-release information is very scarce). Regardless, it just doesn't make sense to leave out out a new Eeveelution from the movie short.
 
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Can someone who believes Sylveon is a Flying-type list the "evidence" for it? Because I really don't see any evidence for it myself and I'm just interested to know what's fueling a lot of people's belief that it's a Flying-type (not meaning to sound funny anything, I'm genuiniely interested because I can't see it.)
 

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Regarding the Eeveelution picture, note that the Eeeveelutions on the right side are stronger against their counterparts. Since Jolteon and Sylveon are on neither side, they could easily be neutral against each other. That is, assuming that the picture means anything at all.

I would like to say that a second Eeveelution this generation (If there is one and I hope there is)
I really don't think that you should be expecting a second Eeveelution. Leafeon and Glaceon were introduced together (when Diamond and Pearl were released) and I believe that Espeon and Umbreon were treated the same way (although I can't know for sure since Gold and Silver's pre-release information is very scarce). Regardless, it just doesn't make sense to leave out out a new Eeveelution from the movie short.

I guess one of the things that has me holding on to the chance that another Eeveelution might appear is like some have speculated that Sylveon turns out to be a Female Eeveelution in which case one would expect a male counterpart. I have a question though is it known for a fact if the Eevee in the short is Virgil's or not because a likely possibility is that prehaps Virgil's Eevee (who is coincidentally female) is the one in Short and Sylveon maybe is trying to help it evolve into well another Sylveon and this would make sense considering that in the second preview of the short Sylveon is seen showing off it's power's maybe to show Virgil's Eevee this is what it would be like if you evolved into a Sylveon (just a thought) and I guess that would disprove the theory that the Eevee in the short is a male who will evolve into Sylveon's Counterpart (that is if she if she is a Female Eeveelution).

What do you think?
 

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Tbh, I don't think that many of the guesses have evidence backing them up.
People say "normal" because it's pink/white with ribbons
People say "bug" because of its large eyes and the nymph in its name
People say "flying" because of the early movie footage that showed focus on the mountains and sky
People say "fairy" because of the nymph/sylv in its name.
I've also seen some say "ghost" due to the latest movie footage and even "fighting" because of the Pokemon Smash short coming up.

....I think I covered the popular stuff :u

Oops, almost forgot. Also for fairy, the large pink frame Sylveon has that doesn't correlate to any existing type and its pink type box on some sites.
And flying, the "wing" in the frame (some also say the egg), and the cart that shows Sylveon across from Jolteon.
 

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I have a question though is it known for a fact if the Eevee in the short is Virgil's or not because a likely possibility is that prehaps Virgil's Eevee (who is coincidentally female) is the one in Short and Sylveon maybe is trying to help it evolve into well another Sylveon and this would make sense considering that in the second preview of the short Sylveon is seen showing off it's power's maybe to show Virgil's Eevee this is what it would be like if you evolved into a Sylveon (just a thought) and I guess that would disprove the theory that the Eevee in the short is a male who will evolve into Sylveon's Counterpart (that is if she if she is a Female Eeveelution).

What do you think?
It is almost certainly not Virgil's Eevee. There has been nothing to suggest that, and the fact that Sylveon and Eevee are separate characters in the short makes it unlikely that Virgil is involved (he only had one Eevee). The short is probably not even supposed to be canon.

There will be an anime episode in July about the elemental stones. We know that Eevee, Flareon, Vaporeon and Jolteon will be featured, but I doubt that Virgil or the other Eeveelutions will be present since the theme is the elemental stones.
 

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Can someone who believes Sylveon is a Flying-type list the "evidence" for it? Because I really don't see any evidence for it myself and I'm just interested to know what's fueling a lot of people's belief that it's a Flying-type (not meaning to sound funny anything, I'm genuiniely interested because I can't see it.)

Well, I think Sylveon has a possiblity of being a flying-type. Some people say, that it could possibly use the ribbons on its body like wings to fly. Or, like Shaymin, it can simply run on the air or simply float like Gyadrados and Mantine.

I also only think it could be a flying-type because I don't see it looking strikingly like another type other than Normal or Bug.
 

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I also think people say flying because:

-it was speculated that the first attack it used in the trailer had "wings" or "feathers" (though now people suggest that it's Giga Impact, I've also heard Brave Bird).

-The whole chart on the website shows an Eeveelution across from one it has an advantage over. Since it is across from Jolteon and doesn't particularly look like a ground type, they assume flying.

-...I guess it just doesn't look like much else.
 

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Can someone who believes Sylveon is a Flying-type list the "evidence" for it? Because I really don't see any evidence for it myself and I'm just interested to know what's fueling a lot of people's belief that it's a Flying-type (not meaning to sound funny anything, I'm genuiniely interested because I can't see it.)

well, here's how i see it. as you saw on the last page, I thought that eeveelution picture was some pretty strong evidence. Also, you may not all find this to be the best evidence, but mind that this is just a list of things many people believe is evidence. first the aesthetic stuff, and probably some of the more well known stuff. Well first off, Sylveon is the lightest eeveelution ever and is the tallest, only matched by leafeon, umbreon, and vaporeon, and their weights are 25.5 kg, 27.0 kg, and 29.0 kg respectively, and sylveon weighs 23.5 kg, suggesting that it is abnormally light for it's height. Also a seemingly popular theory towards it, is that sylveon has a similar color scheme to that of the flying type gym leader, Skyla. Another popular theory, is that the ribbons are similar to that of a kite. Plus, in a more recent trailer, Sylveon's head was in a badge with a wing on it. Now, getting more into some analytical evidence. In the first Smash! that was supposed to be a special on Sylveon, a little boy/girl (i can't remember the gender i apologize) got it's kite stuck in a tree. The characters of the show were looking around for someone to help, and then they zoomed in into the distance and showed a character covered by a question mark then they cut to commercial break. Many people believe that this was hinting that Sylveon would fly into the tree and get the kite down. Also, in the animated short trailer, the eeveelutions were looking up into the sky in awe, many people thinking they were looking up at Sylveon flying. Then a scene shortly after emulated Sylveon landing, so many people thought. I am sure there is more i cannot remember right at this moment, but hope this helps.
 

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I'm baffled by the level of scrutiny over minor details which could be considered as circumstantial evidence at best. As far as promotional material goes, these are the hints that are actually worth noting.
 
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I'm baffled by the level of scrutiny over minor details which could be considered as circumstantial evidence at best. As far as promotional material goes, these are the hints that are actually worth noting.
what you see as worthy evidence is all your own opinion. and what else do we have to go off of? i mean really GF hasn't told us anything. As far as note worthy hints go, i think what i stated is perfectly fine, and is more evidence than that, which by the way, is scrutinizing over minor details as well

and really, NONE of any of this is evidence, it's speculation, which is what this thread is for, what you consider more relevant is your own opinion, that doesn't mean it is more relevant
 

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I don't see how you can think that the move Sylveon used, which is obviously new, is a minor detail.
 

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I don't see how you can think that the move Sylveon used, which is obviously new, is a minor detail.

And now you're just assuming things. Well for one saying its obviously a new move is just trying to force what you think on me. For all we know, that could easily just be the charging turn of sky attack. Once again, this is speculation, and nothing is "more" relevant than the other and I am not refusing to see it as a new move, I am just refusing to have someone to try and change my opinion which I am entitled to
 

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And now you're just assuming things. Well for one saying its obviously a new move is just trying to force what you think on me. For all we know, that could easily just be the charging turn of sky attack. Once again, this is speculation, and nothing is "more" relevant than the other and I am not refusing to see it as a new move, I am just refusing to have someone to try and change my opinion which I am entitled to
Could you explain your opinion? Because I fail to see how that move looks like Sky Attack, whose animation is completely different.
 

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And now you're just assuming things. Well for one saying its obviously a new move is just trying to force what you think on me. For all we know, that could easily just be the charging turn of sky attack. Once again, this is speculation, and nothing is "more" relevant than the other and I am not refusing to see it as a new move, I am just refusing to have someone to try and change my opinion which I am entitled to
Could you explain your opinion? Because I fail to see how that move looks like Sky Attack, whose animation is completely different.

If you are really wanting to know my opinion, read the post earlier that you instantly shut down because it doesn't match your beliefs. He asked for someone's thoughts that believes that he is flying on why he is flying, not for someone to bash on it because he thinks something else is more relevant

also regarding your "debunkering" of my sky attack theory, I did say the charging turn, not the actual attack, soooo irrelevant.
 
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I don't think we can for sure say that what Sylveon did was "for sure" a new move. It could not have been a move at all, for that matter. Sometimes, in the anime, abilities and moves are interchangeable. It could have something to do with it's ability, which could be new. But even that isn't for certain.

In any case, since we don't know for sure what it was, we can't say whether it's a small detail or a large one.
 

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It could not have been a move at all, for that matter. Sometimes, in the anime, abilities and moves are interchangeable. It could have something to do with it's ability, which could be new. But even that isn't for certain.
The anime rarely showcases abilities, so that's unlikely. Besides, Sylveon's ability will probably reflect its type if the current Eeveelutions' abilities are anything to go by (except for Umbreon).

In any case, since we don't know for sure what it was, we can't say whether it's a small detail or a large one.
That's convenient since it doesn't support the Flying theory at all.
 

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-...I guess it just doesn't look like much else.

Normal is what it honestly looks like most out of the current typings. If it were flying I'd have to wonder why it's element which is simply air isn't as obvious, as say Leafeon or Glacieon for example. What makes air so special that they designed an entire forest-fairy concept around it as well as hide it's typing? They certainly didn't feel the need to do that with the others. Then when we see it in animation, it looks anything but a typical flying type.

Not saying of course that its impossible, there are some forest fairies that deal a lot with the element of air, but they are more "inclusive" and there has yet to be any Eeveelution thats inclusive. Every one of them are literal poster childs of their types.
 
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