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Gen VI Pokemon Discussion

Which are your favourite Pokemon revealed so far?


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Not saying of course that its impossible, there are some forest fairies that deal a lot with the element of air, but they are more "inclusive" and there has yet to be any Eeveelution thats inclusive. Every one of them are literal poster childs of their types.
I wouldn't say that Sylveon is definitely a forest fairy. Despite its name, it looks like a modern magical girl to me.
 

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I wouldn't say that Sylveon is definitely a forest fairy. Despite its name, it looks like a modern magical girl to me.


I also got that vibe from watching it in the trailer. It "appears" at least to use magical powers, most similar in appearance to psychic types. (Which we know its not) Thats kinda why I proposed a "magic type" option in the new type thread, since it would include more of a broad scope.

I suppose "Fairy" could also be enough, but still.
 

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^ I also got that vibe from watching it in the trailer. It "appears" at least to use magical powers, most similar in appearance to psychic types. (Which we know its not) Thats kinda why I proposed a "magic type" option in the new type thread, since it would include more of a broad scope. (I suppose "Fairy" could be enough, but still)
I wouldn't like Magic as a type as it would be ill-defined. Sylveon might have magical powers, but they should have a discernible source. That is why I'm currently favoring the Astral type theory. I don't think that the stars in the background are just there to be pretty, especially as Sylveon's move ends up bursting into the sky like fireworks.

Astral wouldn't be associated just with extraterrestial Pokémon. Earthly Pokémon can also draw their powers from their stars, as demonstrated by Gothorita and Gothitelle (the latter is classified as the Astral Body species). Astral projection pertains to the ability to leave one's body and observe not only the stars, but also supernatural realms (the afterlife). If Astral were a type, I think it would be given to the Clefairy line, Staryu line, Solrock, Lunatone, Jirachi, Cresselia, Gothorita and Gothitelle. Note that neither Deoxys nor the Elgyem line have anything to do with stars. Astral should replace Psychic for the Staryu line and Jirachi, but I feel uneasy about Lunatone and Solrock since they're Tate and Liza's signature Pokémon (even though their primary type is Rock); perhaps only their potential evolutions should be affected.

Swift, Morning Sun, Moonlight, Wish, Meteor Mash, Cosmic Power, Lunar Dance and Gravity would presumably be retyped. The funny thing is that the number of aforementioned retcons is perfectly reasonable, and yet it would already go a long way to make Astral sizeable relative to Ghost and Dragon. As of Generation V, Ghost has 27 Pokémon and 16 moves, while Dragon has 29 Pokémon and 13 moves. Astral could easily have around 22 Pokémon and 16 moves in just its debut.
 
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I used to be flying type camp for Sylveon I don't say what I think it'll be anymore because "what are opinions?" but it seems too magical. Flying type has always struck me as kind of plain...idk, it's hard to explain, but I don't see a pure flying type being able to do what Sylveon did in the movie trailers.

I'm okay with the idea of an "astral" or other space related type for Sylveon though, far more than the "fairy" idea.
 

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The only reason I don't see it as being "Astral" or space-themed, is: we already have so many space-themed/star-themed Pokemon, why would they wait until now to introduce it as a separate type?

Well, okay, two reasons: I don't really see much evidence for it.

Not saying it's impossible, but, it seems a bit of a stretch to me, personally.
 

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Not saying of course that its impossible, there are some forest fairies that deal a lot with the element of air, but they are more "inclusive" and there has yet to be any Eeveelution thats inclusive. Every one of them are literal poster childs of their types.
I wouldn't say that Sylveon is definitely a forest fairy. Despite its name, it looks like a modern magical girl to me.

sylveon looks nothing like that. those are little girls dressed up in a witch constume
 

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The only reason I don't see it as being "Astral" or space-themed, is: we already have so many space-themed/star-themed Pokemon, why would they wait until now to introduce it as a separate type?
No, we don't. By my count we only have 11 Pokémon that draw their powers from stars (as opposed to being from outer space), and suffice to say that if the Astral type existed today, it wouldn't stand out. So most of the star-themed moves and Pokémon are randomly associated with Psychic, which doesn't really make sense. That could easily change in a new generation.

Most of us agree that any new type would involve retcons. I don't see why that should be an argument against the possibility.

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sylveon looks nothing like that. those are little girls dressed up in a witch constume
They don't all look like witches. And obviously, a canine creature isn't going to look like a girl, but Sylveon looks like a cross between the pink-oriented magical girls and their animal companions. See here for example.
 
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Not saying of course that its impossible, there are some forest fairies that deal a lot with the element of air, but they are more "inclusive" and there has yet to be any Eeveelution thats inclusive. Every one of them are literal poster childs of their types.
I wouldn't say that Sylveon is definitely a forest fairy. Despite its name, it looks like a modern magical girl to me.

sylveon looks nothing like that. those are little girls dressed up in a witch constume

If Sylveon were to be "humanized", it would very likely look like a type of magical girl; maybe not the more witchy ones, but definitely ones like Sailor Moon.
 

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I can't wait until corocoro comes out and we can stop calling this thing a fairy. It's possible, but sylveon doesn't look like one to me. Also people are giving Hiro much more credit than he deserves, as Melkor was the major contributor to the leaked gen V dex. Melkor also said that it isn't likely to be true. Also Hiro originally did say that sylveon would be pure flying, which is a huge contradiction of himself, and that alone is enough for me to discredit him.
 

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To be honest, most newer magical girls are rarely based on witches. Pretty much every humanized Sylveon I've seen resemble newer ones, the ones that resemble like what you'd see in Sailor Moon.
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Can someone who believes Sylveon is a Flying-type list the "evidence" for it? Because I really don't see any evidence for it myself and I'm just interested to know what's fueling a lot of people's belief that it's a Flying-type (not meaning to sound funny anything, I'm genuiniely interested because I can't see it.)

There is no evidence that suggests the Flying type. There's no evidence that suggests any type yet, everything is complete speculation, and will be until GameFreak finally reveals to us Sylveon's typing. What one takes as evidence to portray the Flying Type, others may take it as evidence to portray a new type.

My personal hopes is that Sylveon will be of the Flying Type, or atleast an existing type. If there is a new type announced, I prefer the Astral type theory more than the Fairy type. We need more information quickly, we have been speculating Sylveon since the beginning of the year, and it is already May. I think we've had enough time to speculate.
 

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I can't wait until corocoro comes out and we can stop calling this thing a fairy. It's possible, but sylveon doesn't look like one to me. Also people are giving Hiro much more credit than he deserves, as Melkor was the major contributor to the leaked gen V dex. Melkor also said that it isn't likely to be true. Also Hiro originally did say that sylveon would be pure flying, which is a huge contradiction of himself, and that alone is enough for me to discredit him.

What makes you think the next CoroCoro will reveal the typing? We've been hoping for awhile that next CoroCoro's would, but they never have. The last CoroCoro from April also indicated that the next one will probably only focus on Scramble U and likely info on that new Tretta game for the 3DS. There has been nothing that implies that the next CoroCoro will have more info on XY. Of course they could surprise us with unexpected info, but that'd be asking too much and I just cannot hope for something like that.

The info will come when it comes, even if it kills us, which it probably will at this rate.
 

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What makes you think the next CoroCoro will reveal the typing? We've been hoping for awhile that next CoroCoro's would, but they never have. The last CoroCoro from April also indicated that the next one will probably only focus on Scramble U and likely info on that new Tretta game for the 3DS. There has been nothing that implies that the next CoroCoro will have more info on XY. Of course they could surprise us with unexpected info, but that'd be asking too much and I just cannot hope for something like that.

The info will come when it comes, even if it kills us, which it probably will at this rate.

I said that because according to the rumor, Fairy type along with the alleged "Yosei" type are supposed to be in this next corocoro. so, if it isn't in there, then the rumor was fake
 

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What makes you think the next CoroCoro will reveal the typing? We've been hoping for awhile that next CoroCoro's would, but they never have. The last CoroCoro from April also indicated that the next one will probably only focus on Scramble U and likely info on that new Tretta game for the 3DS. There has been nothing that implies that the next CoroCoro will have more info on XY. Of course they could surprise us with unexpected info, but that'd be asking too much and I just cannot hope for something like that.

The info will come when it comes, even if it kills us, which it probably will at this rate.

I said that because according to the rumor, Fairy type along with the alleged "Yosei" type are supposed to be in this next corocoro. so, if it isn't in there, then the rumor was fake

... You're kidding me, first Fairy, now 'Yosei'. Well, serves me right for disappearing from the forums for several days at a time.

But anyhow, I wouldn't really take a rumor of what's to appear in the next CoroCoro as fact. There's been no official sources citing more XY info, instead only on the aforementioned titles.
 

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What makes you think the next CoroCoro will reveal the typing? We've been hoping for awhile that next CoroCoro's would, but they never have. The last CoroCoro from April also indicated that the next one will probably only focus on Scramble U and likely info on that new Tretta game for the 3DS. There has been nothing that implies that the next CoroCoro will have more info on XY. Of course they could surprise us with unexpected info, but that'd be asking too much and I just cannot hope for something like that.

The info will come when it comes, even if it kills us, which it probably will at this rate.

I said that because according to the rumor, Fairy type along with the alleged "Yosei" type are supposed to be in this next corocoro. so, if it isn't in there, then the rumor was fake

... You're kidding me, first Fairy, now 'Yosei'. Well, serves me right for disappearing from the forums for several days at a time.

But anyhow, I wouldn't really take a rumor of what's to appear in the next CoroCoro as fact. There's been no official sources citing more XY info, instead only on the aforementioned titles.

yes but the creators of the type rumors are saying it will be in the next corocoro, so in other words, if it isn't in there, then they were just full of it the whole time
 

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yes but the creators of the type rumors are saying it will be in the next corocoro, so in other words, if it isn't in there, then they were just full of it the whole time
I don't recall Hiro saying that. He said that the type would have to be revealed before July 13th due to the movie, which is just common sense.
 

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Can someone who believes Sylveon is a Flying-type list the "evidence" for it? Because I really don't see any evidence for it myself and I'm just interested to know what's fueling a lot of people's belief that it's a Flying-type (not meaning to sound funny anything, I'm genuiniely interested because I can't see it.)

There is no evidence that suggests the Flying type. There's no evidence that suggests any type yet, everything is complete speculation, and will be until GameFreak finally reveals to us Sylveon's typing. What one takes as evidence to portray the Flying Type, others may take it as evidence to portray a new type.

Yes, I am well aware of this. That's why I said "evidence".
 

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yes but the creators of the type rumors are saying it will be in the next corocoro, so in other words, if it isn't in there, then they were just full of it the whole time
I don't recall Hiro saying that. He said that the type would have to be revealed before July 13th due to the movie, which is just common sense.
according to the Yosei rumor, it is going to be revealed with fairy in this next corocoro
 

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yes but the creators of the type rumors are saying it will be in the next corocoro, so in other words, if it isn't in there, then they were just full of it the whole time
I don't recall Hiro saying that. He said that the type would have to be revealed before July 13th due to the movie, which is just common sense.
according to the Yosei rumor, it is going to be revealed with fairy in this next corocoro

I would hope that Fairy and Yosei are the same type, just the English/Japanese translation. Yosei loosely translates as fairy anyway, so I can't imagine them introducing two types that both mean the same thing.
 

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yes but the creators of the type rumors are saying it will be in the next corocoro, so in other words, if it isn't in there, then they were just full of it the whole time
I don't recall Hiro saying that. He said that the type would have to be revealed before July 13th due to the movie, which is just common sense.
according to the Yosei rumor, it is going to be revealed with fairy in this next corocoro

I would hope that Fairy and Yosei are the same type, just the English/Japanese translation. Yosei loosely translates as fairy anyway, so I can't imagine them introducing two types that both mean the same thing.

that's exactly what i thought, that's why i can't just wait for this CoroCoro to come out. Also Yosei is apparently an evil spirit *shrugs*
 
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