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Generation 8 Rumours/Fakes/Leaks

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Joker901

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There is still no excuse for using other people's Pokemon. You never had to use HM slaves in any of the earlier games, by the way.
It's not just because of using other people's Pokemon. Actually not all pokemon trainers may have access to a Mudsdale, for example. The real problem imo is that Pokeride pokemon were treated as random items that you use when you need them and misteriously appear from nowhere.
Anyway, I feel that HMs are gone forever. It's something fans have been asking for years. There'll be something to replace those and Pokeride. Let's wait and see (just not too long, GF, ok?)
 

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There is still no excuse for using other people's Pokemon. You never had to use HM slaves in any of the earlier games, by the way.

What are you talking about? In almost every single game there were tons of spots that require 2 or more Hms to pass through. Most if not all Victory roads prior to gen 7 made you have a Pokemon that needed Strength, Surf, Rock Smash, and even Waterfall in some cases. And those are just the examples for Victory Road. Gen 4 was a disaster to get through unless you had something specific that had at least 3 Hms. Until you got Fly there was no other way. I'm not disagreeing with you that the ride mechanic should be a little more realistic than just summoning the Pokemon out of thin air, but you're in denial if you think Hms weren't a major problem prior to the most recent gens. It was such an obvious problem that GF themselves made a note to say that they had to cut back on Hms in gen 5. This was because most players didn't like the idea of forcing moves that you can't remove onto their main roster. And considering the move deleters are traditionally much later in the game it's a huge handy cap. Yes Surf, Waterfall, and Fly are some of the most useful, but that doesn't mean that there should be an entire collection of moves that take up a move slot just so you can get through a cave. I should be able to have a complete team of 6 without having to saddle them with moves I don't want on them.
 

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I was thinking about something fun. We were all pointing to Zeraora as the main focus of next movie or even as a port to gen 8 while Lugia was just in the movie like Ho-Oh did last year. Zeraora the new stuff, Lugia the remake. Now imagine if the 21th movie is instead the movie where Lugia is the new port to Gen 8 and Zeraora is just the there to end Gen 7. XD
 

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Pokeride does break the immersion into the Pokemon world when you can summon them in places like Ultraspace. How did Machamp go through the ultra wormhole?

Agreed. Thats the only thing that doesn't make sense, since the only Pokemon that can go through UW are the ones in the Pokeball.
 

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There's an easy way to solve this: HMs don't take a spot in the 4 moves anymore. Some pokemon should just be able to cut, surf etc. If you have one of those in your party or in the box then you can manage obstacles.

That could work, Monster Hunter Stories did something similar where if you carried certain monsters you could activate their abilities to move across the field in a certain way, such as a Lagiacrus swimming in a river or a Rathalos flying in the skies. So if Pokémon did something similar that could be a good workaround for the HM problem while also keeping immersion/personalized function for those who don't like the Pokeride feature.
 

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I was thinking about something fun. We were all pointing to Zeraora as the main focus of next movie or even as a port to gen 8 while Lugia was just in the movie like Ho-Oh did last year. Zeraora the new stuff, Lugia the remake. Now imagine if the 21th movie is instead the movie where Lugia is the new port to Gen 8 and Zeraora is just the there to end Gen 7. XD

I mean I could see that. I never once thought that Zeraora would get anything special. So it could be the case as you said. I'm still not sure whether I believe that Lugia will get anything, but it's certainly more possible than Zeraora getting something. People keep saying that Zeraora would be brought into the Switch game to unlock something like the Zoroark event, but there's a problem with that. The Zoroark event wasn't triggered by a mythical of gen 4. It was triggered by specifically released shiny versions of the legendary beasts. Other than being in the last gen 4 movie and being shiny they had nothing special about then before bringing them up to gen 5. Zeraora all by itself is "special" because it's a mythical. Now if they had let's say made an event where we brought up Volcanion to SM last gen then maybe I'd buy it, but not this time. so that leaves us with not much else to tease gen 8. Either Lugia introduces a new mechanic or we see a cameo of a new Pokemon in the movie.
 

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There is still no excuse for using other people's Pokemon. You never had to use HM slaves in any of the earlier games, by the way.
It's either that or let one of your guys learn them which is just as, or if not worse. I pray that they keep the ride system in some shape or form because otherwise it's just another step back.
 

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I mean I could see that. I never once thought that Zeraora would get anything special. So it could be the case as you said. I'm still not sure whether I believe that Lugia will get anything, but it's certainly more possible than Zeraora getting something. People keep saying that Zeraora would be brought into the Switch game to unlock something like the Zoroark event, but there's a problem with that. The Zoroark event wasn't triggered by a mythical of gen 4. It was triggered by specifically released shiny versions of the legendary beasts. Other than being in the last gen 4 movie and being shiny they had nothing special about then before bringing them up to gen 5. Zeraora all by itself is "special" because it's a mythical. Now if they had let's say made an event where we brought up Volcanion to SM last gen then maybe I'd buy it, but not this time. so that leaves us with not much else to tease gen 8. Either Lugia introduces a new mechanic or we see a cameo of a new Pokemon in the movie.
Yeah, that's probably true.
Also, if the Switch titles will not be released this year, It will be a first quarter 2019 release, so this is the movie that has to introduce them.
 

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Why do the trainers have to use rental Pokemon in a franchise about getting to explore the world thanks to their Pokemon?
Hasn't this debate gone back and forth on this forum before? Some people want to use just the Pokemon they've already caught, but others are fine with the idea of bonding with a Pokemon that's not supposed to battle. It doesn't mean that you're in the wrong for not wanting to be forced to use rental Pokemon, but it doesn't mean it's going against the spirit of Pokemon, either.
And Surf, Waterfall, and even Fly are great enough to be taught to team members. If anything, they strenghten Pokemon, not cripple them.
While those are certainly useful moves, HMs certainly aren't all useful. (Try taking on the E4 with Strength or Cut) Removing the requirement of learning the move doesn't mean the good HMs have to go away-Fly was made a TM in SuMo, for example-it just means people have a choice.
There is still no excuse for using other people's Pokemon.
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You never had to use HM slaves in any of the earlier games, by the way.
The alternative would be making multiple Pokemon learn HMs, meaning you'd have multiple Pokemon with only three battle moves and one move that you couldn't delete. (Save for the lucky Water and Flying types that got Surf or Fly)
 
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HMs were a mess and I seriously hope they do not return (that includes remakes of games where they still existed). I recently finished Gold on 3ds and I was astounded with the amount of HMs that are required for you to move anywhere in the game. I usually have a strict policy of not repeating types on my team yet I had to have two water Pokemon because Feraligatr couldn't learn Waterfall for some reason. Pokeride is not a perfect solution (I don't know if I'm the only one here but that Stoutland sniffing for items and moving at glacial pace got extremely tiresome for me after some time) but it's the move in the right direction. I cannot describe how much easier is to build a team without worrying about whether you have a Pokemon that can learn Surf, Strength, Cut etc.
 

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I'm sure they can figure out a way to have trainers ride on any of their capable Pokemon. I'm especially sure since each of the 807 mons have walking and running animations (some of which appearing to be swimming, flying, floating). They would really only need to place a trainer riding model on each and a stipulation about which Pokemon can carry a trainer (ex. Any Pokemon that could previously learn surf and was at least 3 meters long can carry trainers across water) then they can make whatever reason like goldeen isn't strong enough to carry you across the water, etc.
 

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Last three movies 2nd trailer releases:

Hoopa 2015: March 5 on Oha Suta,
Volcanion 2016: March 3 on Oha Suta,
I choose you 2017: March 2 on Oha Suta.

If this pattern continues, basically we are gonna get our Lugia trailer on Oha Suta on March 1 (February 28 for Europe and America).
 
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From a worldbuilding perspective, I think Ride Pokémon make perfect sense. I mean, if Pokémon can be rented out to Trainers in certain battle facilities, then it seems only logical that some people or organizations would offer specialized Pokémon to provide non-battling services as well. I don’t think anybody has ever said that Brendan’s mom was betraying the spirit of individualism by hiring the Pokémon Moving Company to handle their stuff.

Pokeride does break the immersion into the Pokemon world when you can summon them in places like Ultraspace. How did Machamp go through the ultra wormhole?

That one was a peculiarity for sure (and just... a really weird one at that, because the Ultra Desert is the only parallel world in which you can call for Ride Pokémon), although I must say that it didn’t break my immersion any more than the idea of Rosa carrying around a Bicycle in her handbag did.
 

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The idea has been that pokemon are used for doing tasks in the pokeworld from the very beginning. Heck, the HMs themselves can be seen as an expression of this. Though if you want to talk worldbuilding...

The pokeworld has never made sense. Not even internally. At least not in the games, though there are some aspects of the anime that also don't make sense. You're kidding yourself if you want immersion that badly. It would take a few more years, even in the best scenario. At which point, it would become unrecognizable.
 

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Regarding the picture I posted a few pages back, is not mockery. Is just a meme and I'm that type of guy — there is no problem, all gucci.
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On-topic now, I think PokéRide will maybe be just an Alolan thing, but they will come out with something different next generation. Going back to HM's in the same system as before would be stupid.
 

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I have a random thought: Is there any possibility that the "more simplistic" battle system is an auto-battle feature? Like for people that don't want to sit through and think about what moves they should use they can just enable the auto-battle feature where the pokemon will use either it's strongest attack or it's super-effective attack. That way people don't have to ponder or strategize and can just watch a battle with minimal input/guidance (sit back and watch the animations).
 

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I have a random thought: Is there any possibility that the "more simplistic" battle system is an auto-battle feature? Like for people that don't want to sit through and think about what moves they should use they can just enable the auto-battle feature where the pokemon will use either it's strongest attack or it's super-effective attack. That way people don't have to ponder or strategize and can just watch a battle with minimal input/guidance (sit back and watch the animations).
I think that introducing a feature like that in a Pokemon Game would be like GF admitting that people are tired of playing their games XD
Not gonna happen imo, even if it would be useful against that stupid fisherman with its 6 freaking Magikarp that has transcended time and space for 20 years.
 
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