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Generation 8 Rumours/Fakes/Leaks

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Unless GF decides to scrap it as a gen VII though it would be better to hand it out Gen VII.
 

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So if the next game is in Southeast Asia, and Yungoos is the regional rodent, would that make Yungoos a Generation 8 Pokemon or a Generation 7 one...
Dude. Almost every Pokemon has been seen in a region outside of their generation. You already have the answer to your question if you just look around. A Pokemon's "Gen X" designation is about when it was released. It's not about the in-game locations they're found in, it's about when they were introduced. That's the whole point of designating generations.
After all why code in Yungoos if it’s native from another region...
The argument has never been "Why code in Zeraora if it's from another location?" The argument is "Why include Zeraora if it's not supposed to be in the game?"
Again, we do not have the capability of defining what a pokemon game is.
Nobody is. The term "generation" is just a fan term used to designate a group of compatible games released around the same time. It's not defining what can and can't be in a Pokemon game-it's just to make talking about games easier.

I am killing this term now before it gets too messy.
You can stop using it yourself if you want, but you can't stop other people from using it. People are free to create and use terms however they want.
I think the argument people are making is that they wouldn’t code Zeraora into Gen 7 and not use it until later generations cause it “hasn’t happened before, however another argument would be Zygardes moves complete with 3d animation, damage, pp, and everything else that makes up a move but it never showed up until a Gen later in Sun/Moon
You've made this argument time and time again, and repeatedly, people have pointed out: the moves and alternate forms are still tied to Pokemon that have already been released. Furthermore, they do not take as much work to create as an entirely new Pokemon. Instead of repeating yourself, why not respond directly to the counterpoint?
 
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I kind of want the argument of Zeraora being gen 7 or gen 8 to end. It's in the code, its a completely new Pokemon. It's Gen 7 and this backs it up. If you don't know SciresM (Or Michael), he is one of the head dataminers at project Pokemon and the reason why we knew everything about Sun and Moon and also Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon about a week in advance. If there is a current word I would trust, it would be from these guys who actually know how to fully read into the code.
And also it's just common sense. Zeraora is and always will be Gen 7.
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I actually think that a real-time battle system would actually be beneficial to the franchise.
A lot of peole found SM and USUM boring.
Real time combat would make the game feel more awake and lively. Competative battles would be way more entertaining to watch then " Ley look its Lando-t again"Hey look its celestella again" and " Its the same team copy pasted over and over again. The battles would be faster and more thriling.
Pokken tournament was probably like a test to show the audience what the new pokemon battle system will be like
 

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Yeah at this point the main reason I want Zeraora to be revealed soon is more so to finish the silly back and forth of all this . Once it's revealed to be available to USUM players that'll settle it once and for all that it's a gen 7 Pokemon.......I'm just not sure why people are grasping for straws here. Why would anyone even want it to be a gen 8 Pokemon? It's not like ti even matters anyway.....

Pokken tournament was probably like a test to show the audience what the new pokemon battle system will be like

Why would they use a spin off game made by a completely different company that has no direct ties to GF or TPC to show off a new battle system for the main series? That makes no sense.......If GF wanted to hint at something like that then they'd do it in house. Like how they had Amity Square in DPPT before we got walking Pokemon in HGSS. The system will change, but I doubt Pokken was made for the sole purpose of showing how it'd work. Also again I get the feeling the comparison between the new system and Pokken is not one to one. It was likely the best way they (the sources) could come up with to explain how different the new system is compared to the current system. It's not like the battle system will just be Pokken battles slipped into the normal gameplay of the main series. GF had almost no part in making Pokken other than maybe art designs and some guiding hands in how the Pokemon would normally move around. Other than that it was basically all Bandai Namco
 

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I actually think that a real-time battle system would actually be beneficial to the franchise.
A lot of peole found SM and USUM boring.
Real time combat would make the game feel more awake and lively. Competative battles would be way more entertaining to watch then " Ley look its Lando-t again"Hey look its celestella again" and " Its the same team copy pasted over and over again. The battles would be faster and more thriling.
Pokken tournament was probably like a test to show the audience what the new pokemon battle system will be like
really? do you think people didn't like sun and moon because the battle system ? lol.
it was because too much dialogue and unskippable cutscenes, one thing for sure, battle system was not the reason.
 

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Yes. I agree completely. Also @Desdar300, what are your thoughts about Pixelpar's latest question on Twitter? Do you think that he knows more about the Switch games than you or @lavandula's sources do and that the games will be a Kanto Remake or that it was just an innocent question that he had?
It's not an innocent question.
The games are "nomically" remakes.
But we now have newer information that suggest it isn't quite a remake.

You get new starters and new Pokemon, for example.

(We still don't know much about the region)
 
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It's not an innocent question.
The games are "nomically" remakes.
But we now have newer information that suggest it isn't quite a remake.

You get new starters and new Pokemon, for example.

Based on everything we've heard I see this as another soft reboot of sorts. Many call backs to older games, but also major steps into the future. Especially with it being called something similar to a mix between gen 5 and 7. Both offer those things to some degree, but I imagine this is taking it a step further. So new region, new Pokemon, and a new story, but maybe old characters showing up and even some old it points being referenced.
 

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yeah, no way this is real.
we are not getting reveal unil we get zeraora.
 

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The "leakers" don't even try anymore, because they keep getting debunked by Sirena every time. (i talking about concept art leaks)
 

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It's not an innocent question.
The games are "nomically" remakes.
But we now have newer information that suggest it isn't quite a remake.

You get new starters and new Pokemon, for example.

(We still don't know much about the region)

So we are revisiting a region but has new things to it?
 

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Competative battles would be way more entertaining to watch then " Ley look its Lando-t again"Hey look its celestella again" and " Its the same team copy pasted over and over again.
Metagames exist in any competitive scene. Splatoon 2 certainly isn't a turn-based game, but take a look in ranked matches-"Hey look it's an NZap again" "Hey look it's a Forge Splattershot Pro again". (Or, for the original-"Hey look it's a Carbon Roller again" "Hey look it's an E-liter again") Real-time combat won't stop people from making some Pokemon more common than others.
 

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Real-time combat won't stop people from making some Pokemon more common than others.
I know, bu t teams would still have more variety, especially compared to what we have now. Weaker pokemon would have more time to shine because their niches
Also, even mega-evolutions and battle-exlusive forms have walking and running animations.
 
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Zeraora is a gen 7 pokemon. It was coded into USUM, it has a pokedex entry, it just needs to be revealed. People are aware of its existence and Gamefreak knows this. This isn't AZ's Floette case where it's a different form that just gets shelved altogether. This is a new mythical who might very well be in the upcoming movie with Lugia. Regarding those 'leaks' from 4chan, I love the fact they aren't putting random Japanese words on those screenshots in order to appear more credible. They way Lavandula and others who understand Japanese scared them away. Too bad they can't go back to 'my dad's friend's brother's cousin works as a janitor at Gamefreak and he told me this will be in the upcoming Pokemon game'.
 

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I actually think that a real-time battle system would actually be beneficial to the franchise.
A lot of peole found SM and USUM boring.
Real time combat would make the game feel more awake and lively. Competative battles would be way more entertaining to watch then " Ley look its Lando-t again"Hey look its celestella again" and " Its the same team copy pasted over and over again. The battles would be faster and more thriling.
Pokken tournament was probably like a test to show the audience what the new pokemon battle system will be like

They can't use the same Pokken's battle system in the new games. Pokken was a fighting game, and "Switch games" are core RPG, so it's not the same.
If they decide to change the system to a "real time" one, they will use something similar to Dark Souls, Kingdom Hearts or some other Action RPG game, they can't use a Fighting Game system, that's ridiculous
 

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Yeah at this point the main reason I want Zeraora to be revealed soon is more so to finish the silly back and forth of all this . Once it's revealed to be available to USUM players that'll settle it once and for all that it's a gen 7 Pokemon.......I'm just not sure why people are grasping for straws here. Why would anyone even want it to be a gen 8 Pokemon? It's not like ti even matters anyway.....
The main reason is that the announcement of Zeraora is the key for the announcement of Switch titles. If Zeraora was a gen 8 pokemon, then its announcement and the announcement of gen 8 will coincide. This is why people want it to be gen 8.

It's not an innocent question.
The games are "nomically" remakes.
But we now have newer information that suggest it isn't quite a remake.

You get new starters and new Pokemon, for example.

(We still don't know much about the region)
Basically "new starters and new Pokemon" but no new region ? :)
This what Pixelpar means with rework? We are setted in Kanto or Johto (or both) with a new adventure and pokemon? Is this intended as a sequel or as a different dimension (cause apparently this is the line suggested by GF in the last games with Rainbow Rocket, Guzzloard Ultra space etc.)?
 
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