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Generation 8 Rumours/Fakes/Leaks

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I don't like a reboot/rework of another region (Especially K
They can't use the same Pokken's battle system in the new games. Pokken was a fighting game, and "Switch games" are core RPG, so it's not the same.
If they decide to change the system to a "real time" one, they will use something similar to Dark Souls, Kingdom Hearts or some other Action RPG game, they can't use a Fighting Game system, that's ridiculous

Basically this and it will also take away marketing from Pokken (Since whats the point in buying Pokken Content in the future if you have the same battle-system in the core games).
 

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It's not an innocent question.
The games are "nomically" remakes.
But we now have newer information that suggest it isn't quite a remake.

You get new starters and new Pokemon, for example.

(We still don't know much about the region)

Well, this is interesting. So this Pixelpar guy is somewhat credible I take It?

Also that last 4chan post... I guess something related to the movie is supposed to be talked about on Pokenchi (or whatever it is, they change the name so many times) on the 18th, so it's interesting that the 19th was chosen as a reveal date by the "leaker". We'll just have to wait and see what happens I guess.
 

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Why are you guys comparing forms and moves to entire species of Pokemon? An entire species of Pokemon going unused is nothing like a form or a move going unused.

AZ Floette has never been released even though it’s been in the data for XY and SM. It even has an updated animation for its special move. I would argue it’s a different Pokémon to the original Floette entirely.

Stuff happens all the time during game development and it’s possible they put Zeraora in the data for USUM just in case they can’t make the Gen 8 in 2018(that’s why there is no event or anything regarding Zeraora in the data, he’s just kinda there) and that way they can release “new content” in 2018 regardless of what happens to the switch game.

I agree that Zeraora will probably be released in SM before the switch game gets released but I wouldn’t be surprised by anything GF does now. Cause you know what they say about assuming...
 

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It's not an innocent question.
The games are "nomically" remakes.
But we now have newer information that suggest it isn't quite a remake.

You get new starters and new Pokemon, for example.

(We still don't know much about the region)
New Pokemon don't rule out Kanto sequels. It would be the same idea as plugging old Pokemon and characters into a new region, but the other way around.
 

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About Zeraora

It is a Generation 7 Pokemon, I am just saying it is not impossible for Gamefreak to save it for the next Generation. Just because it hasn’t happened before doesn’t mean it won’t happen. Even if it doesn’t logically make sense to do this (adding a Pokémon and not using it until later), it’s gamefreak we are talking about.

Zeraora will probably be revealed this month for Generation 7 and next month Generation 8 will likely be revealed (unless the next game is actually a Kanto reimagination, if that’s the case the Zeraora reveal and game reveal can happen later in the year since they are technically “remakes”), I am just saying that even if it is unlikely, doesn’t mean Gamefreak wouldn’t do it. They did code in G2 Pokémon in the original RBY, and Mew was coded in as a joke so anything can happen. After all they would never remove Gyms (Remember that one time the leaks came out and said Gyms would be gone but then later in an official interview Masada said “there would always be Gyms”) , they would never add new Pokémon in the middle of a Generation, and now they would never change the Battle System. Never say never,

You’re probably right though about Zeraora though, I am just saying that there is a possibility Gamefreak doesn’t use it until the next games (And if the next games are “nominally Kanto remakes” then that means they can add Zeraora Into the next games like how Hoopa was in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire)
 

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I mean, it’s been 20 some years since Kanto so new Pokemon probably have migrated into the region.
 

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There are a lot of games with entirely designed zones, bosses and even quests hidden in the code and never used, so it's not impossible for Zeraora being like those examples.
 

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I think what it's saying is in the same vein as people saying Kalos is a Kanto rehash.
 

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It's not an innocent question.
The games are "nomically" remakes.
But we now have newer information that suggest it isn't quite a remake.

You get new starters and new Pokemon, for example.

(We still don't know much about the region)

As long as the games aren't set in Kanto, I will be happy. I hate Kanto so much that I'd rather have a new region and be blinded by nostaligia than to be in Kanto itself and completely blinded by nostaligia. In my opinion, Kanto pandering was way too much in Generations 6 and 7. Can you please ask your sources if they have anymore information on the region the game is going to based off of? I know that your sources speculate Southeast Asia, but I desire more information on this subject. Thank you in advance.
 

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I would argue it’s a different Pokémon to the original Floette entirely.
A different coloring and one new move makes an entirely new Pokemon?
Stuff happens all the time during game development and it’s possible they put Zeraora in the data for USUM just in case they can’t make the Gen 8 in 2018
We still have the legendary distributions throughout the year-if the goal is to keep people playing, that's already been taken care of.
(that’s why there is no event or anything regarding Zeraora in the data, he’s just kinda there)
Marshadow in SuMo had a similar situation-no special event, just dropped off through Mystery Gift.
and that way they can release “new content” in 2018
Why do they need to have something new for 2018? It's not like every year has introduced something new.
Even if it doesn’t logically make sense to do this (adding a Pokémon and not using it until later), it’s gamefreak we are talking about.
Why does "this is Game Freak we're talking about" mean "forget logic"? Game Freak isn't a bunch of nutjobs.
They did code in G2 Pokémon in the original RBY,
Please provide a source for this claim.
Mew was coded in as a joke
No, it wasn't. It was coded in to be obtained by players-that's why it was distributed in Japan.
After all they would never remove Gyms (Remember that one time the leaks came out and said Gyms would be gone but then later in an official interview Masada said “there would always be Gyms”) , they would never add new Pokémon in the middle of a Generation, and now they would never change the Battle System. Never say never,
All of the confirmed changes have been to add something to the games. (I think it's unreasonable to say "they said they would never change the battle system, and now they have" when it hasn't even been confirmed that there is a change) Including a Pokemon in a game and doing nothing with it contributes nothing. It'd be completely pointless to do so.
There are a lot of games with entirely designed zones, bosses and even quests hidden in the code and never used, so it's not impossible for Zeraora being like those examples.
Most of these are removed because the story or gameplay changes and no longer suits them, but Zeraora is a Mythical Pokemon, which are commonly distributed through Mystery Gift and can easily be inserted. And I'm quite certain any cutting room floor example wasn't left in any kind of catalog the game encourages you to fill out. Even if a game has some kind of "defeat every kind of enemy" goal, if a kind of enemy ended up being unused, they'd take it off the list so players could still fill it out. Zeraora has still been included in the PokeDex-so if it's never going to be used, finishing the PokeDex is now impossible.
 

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Every movie has had some kind of mythical tied to it except for one.

EDIT: Actually, that's wrong. There's 4 movies with no Mythical that was distributed with it, although one had a Mythical in it.

Lugia
Entei
Latis
Manaphy (didn't have a distribution of it)
 
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I did an edit, and I included Manaphy since it technically wasn't a distribution, it was a code for Pokemon Ranger to get it's egg.
 

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Game Freak isn't a bunch of nutjobs.
Are you sure about this? Ultra Beasts and Z-Moves (although cool), is Gamefreak going insane. Completely unrelated though to the conversation (about Zeraora and stuff)
Please provide a source for this claim.
They didn’t really “code” in Generation 2 Pokemon, however that is sort of what Glitch Pokémon are. They planned on having 190 Pokemon, and the Glitch Pokemon do correspond to actual Generation 2 Pokemon so technically speaking they where present as you can see here: List of Pokémon by index number (Generation I) - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia
based on their index numbers.
No, it wasn't. It was coded in to be obtained by players-that's why it was distributed in Japan.
Actually it was
Source 1: GlitterBerri's Game Translations » Staff Secrets

Says Mew was secretly slipped in just for the developers but they where surprised when people started talking about a 151st Pokemon

Source 2: Iwata Asks - Pokémon HeartGold Version & SoulSilver Version

Ishihara literaly says it was a prank by Morimoto

Morimoto says it was a prank and that it wasn’t going to be in the game but instead was reserved for the developers.

Including a Pokemon in a game and doing nothing with it contributes nothing. It'd be completely pointless to do so.
Would it really be pointless? Gamefreak likes future proofing things so it isn’t highly likely the next games will use the same 3D models as Sun/Moon so coding in Zeraora only to not use it right now doesn’t really matter if eventually it will be added because future proofing. After all they did code in running/walking animations for all Pokémon but they never used them in Sun/Moon. It’s still present in the code so if they want to use it later they can.
 

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So I'm guessing the games, while set in a new region with new Mons, will play out similar to the Gen 1 games.

Perhaps a cross between Gen 5 and Gen 6. Gen 5 was a reboot, and many new pokemon had parralels, Bouffalant to Tauros, Sawk and Throh to Himons, Audino to Chansey etc, whereas Gen 6 mons felt newer, but they had viridian forest, snorlax and the pokeflute, mewtwo in the unknown dungeon etc
 

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So I'm guessing the games, while set in a new region with new Mons, will play out similar to the Gen 1 games.

Perhaps a cross between Gen 5 and Gen 6. Gen 5 was a reboot, and many new pokemon had parralels, Bouffalant to Tauros, Sawk and Throh to Himons, Audino to Chansey etc, whereas Gen 6 mons felt newer, but they had viridian forest, snorlax and the pokeflute, mewtwo in the unknown dungeon etc

Yeah that's exactly what I'm thinking too
 

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You know, it just occurs to me that even whenever it is they do decide to finally show this thing to us, it won't be to answer the question we want answered. We might get what the region will be like, but I doubt that the details of the battle system will be shown. Then again, nothing has been a big enough change to the system to warrant such a thing. For the last two times, the initial teaser was little more than the starters and the box legends. If it is that different, it will need it's own thing to explain it, and I don't think the first one will be it. However, if the change is that evident, it will be noticeable just from footage. (but might not explain all aspects of it)
 
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