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Generation 8 Rumours/Fakes/Leaks

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RileyXY1

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I still say there's the possibility that they may add a toggle for the battles. Where you can choose to battle with the new system, but if not you can change it to turn based that way vgc doesn't have to change and they can still give players something fun and exciting to play that's new
I don't think that there will be a toggle. I don't think that there is enough space on the cartridge for two different battle systems.
 

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Since when do Pokemon have to die to become Ghost-types? Snowrunt evolves into Froslass through a stone, not through murdering it.

Not to get too deep into this... but it kinda might.

So, Snorunt evolves into Froslass with a Dawn Stone. Not something more Ghost-y like a Dusk Stone - a Dawn Stone. Snorunt is made of ice and generally lives in dark places, so many have theorized that the Dawn Stone emulates the sun of dawn, so Snorunt melts/dies and becomes a Ghost type for this reason. But I digress, this is off topic lol

Maybe what we’re actually doing is bludgeoning it to death with the stone.

Or melting Snorunt since the Dawn Stone is really warm and bright XD
 

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I don't think that there will be a toggle. I don't think that there is enough space on the cartridge for two different battle systems.

Look. I don't mean to be rude. But there is no way you pulled that from anywhere besides you know where. Unless you can provide some kind of legitimate source besides your you know what, then I'm calling BS.
 

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We don't know.
The newest thing we know is, according to Desdar300, Japanese sources are saying that Game Freak is getting external help to finish the new battle system.

Can you give us any more details on what this supposed new battle system will be like? Will it be turn based, will we be able to choose from 4 moves still, will Stats like HP, PP, Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed be changed? I'm very nervous to see what all the changes are. This battle system leak could potentially make me not buy the Switch games and stop playing Pokémon permanently depending on what all the exact changes are. I remember Desdar300 said at one point last month that the new battle system apparently looked similar to games like the Digimon World games or Pokkén Tournament. I've seen videos of the Digimon World battle system and it looks horrible in my opinion. I hope they don't copy that system down to a tee. Please Game Freak, if you're going to do something major with our beloved battle system, at least make it original.
 

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Personally I think a massive change to the battle system will be good for the VGC. Part of the fun is using what you are given and making it work. Every time a broken ability or Pokemon is introduced, and every time big changes are made (in regards to moves such as the great Dark Void Debuff) people have to change their strategies and come up with something new. And when you have something that works, others will try and counter it.

This would just be another great change to the game. People will have to come up with new strategies and I think it will be pretty cool to see how things go.
 

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Personally I think a massive change to the battle system will be good for the VGC. Part of the fun is using what you are given and making it work. Every time a broken ability or Pokemon is introduced, and every time big changes are made (in regards to moves such as the great Dark Void Debuff) people have to change their strategies and come up with something new. And when you have something that works, others will try and counter it.

This would just be another great change to the game. People will have to come up with new strategies and I think it will be pretty cool to see how things go.

Personally, I'm always on the stance of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". But if what those Japanese sources that are in touch with Desdar300 is saying is true and that Game Freak is getting outside help for the battle system, I would hope that it would be from Nintendo EPD (which developed Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey). Not the Digimon World staff or anyone that is not associated with Nintendo. I've seen videos of Digimon World's battle system and it looks terrible in my opinion. If they copy every bit of that down to the code, I will not be buying the Switch games. I'm already on the fence already about considering quitting the series depending on what the changes are to the battle system. Bottom line, is I don't want Game Freak to destroy 22 years of hard work. I hope they know what they are doing and whoever they supposedly hired for external help is good.
 

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Personally, I'm always on the stance of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
This doesnt mean that the system shouldnt be update at all. And that the problem with pokemons system it wasnt updated in a meaningfull fasshion what so ever.
 

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Bottom line, is I don't want Game Freak to destroy 22 years of hard work. I hope they know what they are doing and whoever they supposedly hired for external help is good.
How would that be 20 years of hard work gone down the drain? Its been the same general battle system for the last 22 years with minor changes here and there. IMO they haven't been working hard at all streamlining the battle system. All they have been doing is adding a gimmick here, a move there, and changing the GUI up a bit, but other than that it has relatively stayed the same.

If anything changing the games into 3D models would have destroyed a lot of hard work. 17 years of making sprites gone down the drain. Even worse was the fact they animated the sprites for one generation (5) which was even more work.
 

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This doesnt mean that the system shouldnt be update at all. And that the problem with pokemons system it wasnt updated in a meaningfull fasshion what so ever.
Also adding on its called Pocket Monsters, not Turn Monsters. The game is about catching monsters, not about the battle system which is about as important to the game as gyms are (which where changed).
 

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Not for me. I hate filling the dex, and I hate filling boxes with junk I'll never use.
 

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How would that be 20 years of hard work gone down the drain? Its been the same general battle system for the last 22 years with minor changes here and there. IMO they haven't been working hard at all streamlining the battle system. All they have been doing is adding a gimmick here, a move there, and changing the GUI up a bit, but other than that it has relatively stayed the same.

If anything changing the games into 3D models would have destroyed a lot of hard work. 17 years of making sprites gone down the drain. Even worse was the fact they animated the sprites for one generation (5) which was even more work.

I just don't want them to destroy the system that we all know and love and that has worked for over 20 years. But that's just me. I guess my opinion doesn't matter. I don't want Game Freak to alienate fans and make fans leave (like myself) the franchise due to these changes. I hope that whatever external help they are supposedly getting is from someone at Nintendo like Nintendo EPD. Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey were both really good games. They took risks with those games and those risks payed off. All I'm saying is that if Game Freak wants to take a risk with the battle system, I hope that they know what they are doing. I don't want to leave the franchise over this. I really don't. I love Pokémon. It was one of my first video games that I played when I was 5. It holds a place near to my heart and I'm not one to adjust to major changes very easily, so I apologize for being so defensive. I just hope that whatever they may do, ends up paying off like Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey.
 

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I just don't want them to destroy the system that we all know and love and that has worked for over 20 years. But that's just me. I guess my opinion doesn't matter. I don't want Game Freak to alienate fans and make fans leave (like myself) the franchise due to these changes. I hope that whatever external help they are supposedly getting is from someone at Nintendo like Nintendo EPD. Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey were both really good games. They took risks with those games and those risks payed off. All I'm saying is that if Game Freak wants to take a risk with the battle system, I hope that they know what they are doing. I don't want to leave the franchise over this. I really don't. I love Pokémon. It was one of my first video games that I played when I was 5. It holds a place near to my heart and I'm not one to adjust to major changes very easily, so I apologize for being so defensive. I just hope that whatever they may do, ends up paying off like Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey.
once again, if we would life by that standart we still would be in the stone age... after all why change anything at all it works.

The current system is very flawed even for a turn based battle system it relies to much on pure rng. that needs to change.
 

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The original leaker said it could be along the lines of Digimon World or Pokken Fighters which is interesting because of one feature in particular...

Phases

Certain circumstances in battle change the game from a 3D arena into a 2D one (like smash bros). What if they do something similar with Pokémon but instead of having a switch from 3D to 2D, it’s a switch from Real-time to Turn based

Like it’s a real-time battle but after a bit of fighting your Pokémon get tired and the battle switches into turn based. When they recover the energy they need it switches into real-time
 

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once again, if we would life by that standart we still would be in the stone age... after all why change anything at all it works.

The current system is very flawed even for a turn based battle system it relies to much on pure rng. that needs to change.

That's it. I'm done. I guess nobody understands or even cares where I am coming from.

I'm not saying that I don't want change, I'm only saying that it's hard for me to adjust. I remember when they first introduced Mega Evolutions, I was angry and appalled. But I ended up loving the change in the end and I find it a very welcome addition to the series. I just hope that whatever changes that they make to the battle system for the Switch games, I'll eventually feel the same way.
 

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The current system is very flawed even for a turn based battle system it relies to much on pure rng. that needs to change.
RNG is part of the fun though. If they combine both real-time battles and RNG though... That would be interesting. You are fighting a really tough Pikachu in real-time... A tree falls knocking out the Pikachu... Game over
 

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RNG is part of the fun though. If they combine both real-time battles and RNG though... That would be interesting. You are fighting a really tough Pikachu in real-time... A tree falls knocking out the Pikachu... Game over
RNG has a place but it shouldnt be the main force at play. With an more real time action based system you could counter the rng with skills. in the current system it doesnt matter how good your strategy or skills are if the rng has it in for you you have no way to counter act it.
 
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