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Generation 8 Rumours/Fakes/Leaks

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I remember when they first introduced Mega Evolutions, I was angry and appalled. But I ended up loving the change in the end and I find it a very welcome addition to the series. I just hope that whatever changes that they make to the battle system for the Switch games, I'll eventually feel the same way.
Maybe. Why exactly did you not like Mega Evolutions? I’m just asking because your reasons might determine wether or not you will be able to accept the battle system changes. What I mean is that if you don’t like Mega Evolutions because of the design, since that’s the reason, you should have no problem with the battle system changes (If that makes any sense? The way I worded it?)
 

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As long as it is a toggle I'm ok with it. Or I'll probably be ok with it if I find it interesting.
Anyway, aren't we just assuming there's gonna be a new battle system because of "some leakers say so"

lol

My intention is not damaging the leakers credibility but "Eurogamer is a very reliable source they leaked the Switch!!" yeah look at this amazing Pokémon Stars. Just for giving an example. A leak, even if it comes from different sources, is still a leak. It can be fake too, duh.

EDIT: it even can be some sort of minigame facility. Or just a post-game battle option.
 

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They are aware of how popular competitive is, so I am hesitant to say they will change it that much, but I can also see the matter that the style of competitive doesn't matter, as long as it is there. Learning a whole new system can be daunting, but if the competitive mongers are really worth their salt, they'll do it. It all depends on if it's actually engaging. I will agree, though, that it's too great of a risk considering competitive is the vast majority of the fanbase. The Chinese players reputedly hated it, but I don't know the Chinese that well. Across the board, though, the feelings seem to be on one side or the other. The question is, though, is if it changed since then to accommodate for that feedback. I hope they are considering if players will accept it, because if they don't, they will destroy the franchise for good.
 

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cause competition is a thing it needs to change it more about luck and learning strategy then actually skills.
 

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They are aware of how popular competitive is, so I am hesitant to say they will change it that much, but I can also see the matter that the style of competitive doesn't matter, as long as it is there. Learning a whole new system can be daunting, but if the competitive mongers are really worth their salt, they'll do it. It all depends on if it's actually engaging. I will agree, though, that it's too great of a risk considering competitive is the vast majority of the fanbase. The Chinese players reputedly hated it, but I don't know the Chinese that well. Across the board, though, the feelings seem to be on one side or the other. The question is, though, is if it changed since then to accommodate for that feedback. I hope they are considering if players will accept it, because if they don't, they will destroy the franchise for good.
Competitive and popular cannot stay in the same sentence. pokemon VGC is less than 1% of actual people who buy the game. And these are official numbers, just remember how many people whatched twitch international and worlds events? really REALLY few. so it's safe to say that competitive pokemon VGC is not that popular. If they lose it, nothing will change. Maybe with the new battle system they gather more competitive players than now. But the "1%" is really ridicolous
 

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That may be so, but most of the players of the game battle, professionally or not. If you do not believe me, look around forums carefully. What is the number one subject everyone talks about?
 

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Maybe. Why exactly did you not like Mega Evolutions? I’m just asking because your reasons might determine wether or not you will be able to accept the battle system changes. What I mean is that if you don’t like Mega Evolutions because of the design, since that’s the reason, you should have no problem with the battle system changes (If that makes any sense? The way I worded it?)

I don't remember why exactly. It was such a long time ago, almost 5 years ago. I guess it's because I've always been a stickler for routine for my entire life. Not just with Pokémon. If anything out of the ordinary happens, it seems like I have always been programmed to respond in a negative way and/or get nervous about it. Though with the Z-Crystals introduction, I don't recall being too bothered about that. No Gyms in the Generation VII games on the other hand, is a different story. It took me a while to adjust to that as well. I guess for me, it also is dependant on what kind of change it is too. If it is major or minor. I've been trying to discover why change is so difficult for me at times throughout all of my life. Life is like a roller coaster it feels that we're all just along for the ride. As the first Pokémon movie intro said, "Life. The great miracle and the great mystery."
 

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My intention is not damaging the leakers credibility but "Eurogamer is a very reliable source they leaked the Switch!!" yeah look at this amazing Pokémon Stars. Just for giving an example. A leak, even if it comes from different sources, is still a leak. It can be fake too, duh.
Stars is an interesting case. It could be real but over exaggerated. It could have been a tech demo, we have no clue. Just like Roothoot. For all we know it could be a beta Dartrix or Rowlet. We may never find out

I don't remember why exactly. It was such a long time ago, almost 5 years ago. I guess it's because I've always been a stickler for routine for my entire life. Not just with Pokémon. If anything out of the ordinary happens, it seems like I have always been programmed to respond in a negative way and/or get nervous about it. Though with the Z-Crystals introduction, I don't recall being too bothered about that. No Gyms in the Generation VII games on the other hand, is a different story. It took me a while to adjust to that as well. I guess for me, it also is dependant on what kind of change it is too. If it is major or minor. I've been trying to discover why change is so difficult for me at times throughout all of my life. Life is like a roller coaster it feels that we're all just along for the ride. As the first Pokémon movie intro said, "Life. The great miracle and the great mystery."
I see. 5 years ago really? I can’t believe it’s been so long.

About what you said personally I didn’t like Greninja (triangle head) and thought Hoopa Unbound ruined Pokémon but once I saw it in action I started to really like them.

Hopefully it will be similar with the Battle System. If it’s anything like the Anime Battle System I think it would be pretty cool and will draw a lot of people to the game. Or what if it’s like the new DBZ game? That would be insane.
 

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so the battle system leak is still going strong ? damn
please don't be THAT dumb game freak...
why dumb? are you always living in the past and want nothing to change?

Further more we havent seen anythign about the game yet so even if they change the system why do you thing it will be a desaster are you always that negative?
 
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I want some modifications to the battle system we already have, not a completely new one.
 

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I really don't think people should worry about the battle system being different. If I know GF it'll be easy to grasp and won't be something that people will struggle with. Whether you like it now that's a different story. Either way it won't be something that kids will have a hard time with so anyone that's older than that shouldn't worry. Different doesn't have to be bad (I know it doesn't have to be good either tho) We should just see how it works first and then after make judgements. Also I don't think we should take it being like Digimon World and Pokkén at face value. I think those examples are just to tell us that it won't be like the current system.
 

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I want some modifications to the battle system we already have, not a completely new one.
and what would you do to the battle system at that point? Add new visual effects?
Lets be honest if gamefreak really wants to change the battle system the old one must go away.

Ideally for something like Xenoblades 2 or Ni no Kunis system where you have direct controll over the pokemon.

Imagine it like this:

The 4 attacks are mapped to the 4 facebuttons each pokemon has an global stamina bar, moving around and attacks take up a varying degree of it. It will regen over time if standing still and not attacking. (EIther that or a per attack cooldown)

You can swap a pokemon at anytime but after a swap you have to wait x seconds/Minutes to change it again.

The placement of your pokemon is importent due some attacks having range requirement (potetential being less acurate or doing less damage when to far away). This would apply to your pokemon and the enemies too. Mostlikely with a visual hint on what the area of effect of the next attack will be.

4 Items can be put on the other 4 avaible facebuttons or you can open the menu by pressing +

All this would help to counter act the rng while still keeping it fairly simple.
 
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Stars is an interesting case. It could be real but over exaggerated. It could have been a tech demo, we have no clue.
Why on earth would a tech demo need a unique name? It's not like it was going to be shown to the public. Did we ever even get any indication that Stars was anything more than a guess from fans, like Z and Grey?
and what would you do to the battle system at that point? Add new visual effects?
This ignores the many, many new moves, items, and abilities we've received over generations, not to mention features like Mega Evolution and Z-Moves.
Lets be honest if gamefreak really wants to change the battle system the old one must go away.
Who said that was their goal in the first place? (Excluding, of course, anonymous 4chan users)
 

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This ignores the many, many new moves, items, and abilities we've received over generations, not to mention features like Mega Evolution and Z-Moves.
And what did those do to change the battle system up? Adding variety doesn't equal changing the battle system.
Who said that was their goal in the first place? (Excluding, of course, anonymous 4chan users)
That's why I said "if game freak wants to change...."
 

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How would that be 20 years of hard work gone down the drain? Its been the same general battle system for the last 22 years with minor changes here and there. IMO they haven't been working hard at all streamlining the battle system. All they have been doing is adding a gimmick here, a move there, and changing the GUI up a bit, but other than that it has relatively stayed the same.

If anything changing the games into 3D models would have destroyed a lot of hard work. 17 years of making sprites gone down the drain. Even worse was the fact they animated the sprites for one generation (5) which was even more work.
But that depends on how they implement the new battle systems. With the shift to 3d models from 2d sprites, the same basic designs were kept for most pokemon. If the rumors that have been going around are true, about a real time combat system, then it is hard for me to agree with the analogy you are making. Every generation you can see how each of those sprites developed and became sharper and accurate to their promotional art. I feel the same way about the battle system wherein each generation you can see the changes: more and updated moves/abilities, buffs/debuffs, physical/special split, new types/retyping, new battle effects, etc. So to me it is important that they keep the hundreds of unique moves/movesets/stats in the game. Especially since the pokebank now allows for pokemon from every generation to reside in a single game (so I can do random stuff like elemental punch hitmonlee for the heck of it.)

At the same time, I understand that not everybody agrees with this sentiment. Admittedly the battle system is over twenty years old and I understand how it can be boring and lack the engagement of other modern games. You only press one button and move on with your turn. Rinse, wash, repeat. I get that. I just hope that Gamefreak aren't foolhardy enough to completely drop everything that they have developed over the past couple years unless the new games will be a subseries (think 2d mario vs. 3d mario.) I just feel that they shouldn't negate everything from the old series. Like I feel like a good happy medium would be a more complex GO battle formula. Obviously I don't want it to copy and paste GO's formula, but maintain that each pokemon's stats are still taken into account (Blissey's a special tank, and Lycanroc is glass cannon-ish), they have variable and unique movesets (darkrai knows dark void, smeargle knows everything, etc.), and at the same time they can still dodge and stuff (more than just left and right, but also in a way that someone cannot just avoid all your attacks due to their swift thumbs!!!). Also hopefully they keep abilities as well.

Does this make sense? I am bias toward the pokemon battle system the way that it is. I have also enjoyed spinoff games and their different battle styles so I'm not opposed to change overall. I hope they can innovate and remain relevant, but just in a way that is familiar. You know?
 

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why dumb? are you always living in the past and want nothing to change?

Further more we havent seen anythign about the game yet so even if they change the system why do you thing it will be a desaster are you always that negative?
why should i want to change something that i enjoy from ?
 

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Cartridge space?
I hope you realize that technology has advanced and Switch cartridge has way more space than Pokemon Red and Blue.

We should also consider that USUM each contain 3.6 GB, which is actually a little less than half of a 3DS cart size. And Switch carts hold several times more than a 3DS cart. They could fit the entire Pokemon series on a single Switch cart if they wanted. Space is not an issue. Just programming and manpower.
 
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