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Generation 8 Rumours/Fakes/Leaks

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no one said that turn based battle system are bad, we (atleast i) just point out that the change from a turn based battle system to a more active one isnt the end of pokemon.

It is not... but it will make Pokken redundant (Since why buy Pokken/DLC for it, when you can have the same battle mechanic in a main Pokemon game). Thats the whole problem with a more active battle system.

I can see Pokemon still being Turn Based, but with minor changes (Instead of being limited to sent out the first Pokemon in your party, you can sent out either one in your party).
 

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It is not... but it will make Pokken redundant (Since why buy Pokken/DLC for it, when you can have the same battle mechanic in a main Pokemon game). Thats the whole problem with a more active battle system.

I can see Pokemon still being Turn Based, but with minor changes (Instead of being limited to sent out the first Pokemon in your party, you can sent out either one in your party).
there is still a big difference betwenn a ARPG and a brawler.........
 

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People have repeated over and over in this thread that BOTW was a return to form, not a diversion. Zelda was always about exploration.

And after you catch the monsters...you battle with them. And you catch the monsters by...battling with them first. Battling and collecting go hand in hand. The collection all have different stats and abilities and types and moves for the sake of battle. If they would like to implement some more non-battle uses for these elements, I would be all about it, though. I loved contests.


THIS.

BOTW was glorious but for anyone to consider it a dramatic rerouting of the franchise is either 1. Very young or 2. Very forgetful.

And saying that battling isn't a core concept of Pokemon is sort of like saying that soccer isn't about scoring goals. Sure, you can put the kit on and stand on the field but if you didn't intend to then start trying to score a goal... you'd run out of things to do almost immediately. I think anyone who is anxious and a little concerned about these rumours of an altered battling system are COMPLETELY justified. I'm not even a competitive battler (my favourite Pokemon would not allow me to last very long haha) but I'm concerned about the battle system rumours.

That being said, I really don't think there's any truth to them and even if there was, there's a big part of me that's screaming "JUST TRUST GAME FREAK!" which can admittedly be a tricky thing to do if you spend any time reading a lot of the posts on these forums - it never ceases to amaze me how many people are convinced that GF are intent on sabotaging the franchise and angering the fanbase - which, with utmost respect to those people, shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how business works.

GF are a business. They are in the business of making video games - which means in order to remain successful they need to regularly make a popular, widely-loved product...otherwise the business fails. They've been doing it for over two decades. Somewhat irrational concerns aside, I trust them with the next instalment.
 

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you can say the same for FFXV and Dissidia... so i think there are """some""" differences :p
 

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THIS.

BOTW was glorious but for anyone to consider it a dramatic rerouting of the franchise is either 1. Very young or 2. Very forgetful.

And saying that battling isn't a core concept of Pokemon is sort of like saying that soccer isn't about scoring goals. Sure, you can put the kit on and stand on the field but if you didn't intend to then start trying to score a goal... you'd run out of things to do almost immediately. I think anyone who is anxious and a little concerned about these rumours of an altered battling system are COMPLETELY justified. I'm not even a competitive battler (my favourite Pokemon would not allow me to last very long haha) but I'm concerned about the battle system rumours.

That being said, I really don't think there's any truth to them and even if there was, there's a big part of me that's screaming "JUST TRUST GAME FREAK!" which can admittedly be a tricky thing to do if you spend any time reading a lot of the posts on these forums - it never ceases to amaze me how many people are convinced that GF are intent on sabotaging the franchise and angering the fanbase - which, with utmost respect to those people, shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how business works.

GF are a business. They are in the business of making video games - which means in order to remain successful they need to regularly make a popular, widely-loved product...otherwise the business fails. They've been doing it for over two decades. Somewhat irrational concerns aside, I trust them with the next instalment.
but where is the style of the battle a core concept? as long a they still battle the core concept is still there....
Stop pretending that any change to a system is bad.
 

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THIS.

BOTW was glorious but for anyone to consider it a dramatic rerouting of the franchise is either 1. Very young or 2. Very forgetful.

And saying that battling isn't a core concept of Pokemon is sort of like saying that soccer isn't about scoring goals. Sure, you can put the kit on and stand on the field but if you didn't intend to then start trying to score a goal... you'd run out of things to do almost immediately. I think anyone who is anxious and a little concerned about these rumours of an altered battling system are COMPLETELY justified. I'm not even a competitive battler (my favourite Pokemon would not allow me to last very long haha) but I'm concerned about the battle system rumours.

That being said, I really don't think there's any truth to them and even if there was, there's a big part of me that's screaming "JUST TRUST GAME FREAK!" which can admittedly be a tricky thing to do if you spend any time reading a lot of the posts on these forums - it never ceases to amaze me how many people are convinced that GF are intent on sabotaging the franchise and angering the fanbase - which, with utmost respect to those people, shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how business works.

GF are a business. They are in the business of making video games - which means in order to remain successful they need to regularly make a popular, widely-loved product...otherwise the business fails. They've been doing it for over two decades. Somewhat irrational concerns aside, I trust them with the next instalment.


You took the words right out of my mouth! I am very concerned about the battle system rumors too. So much so that if the changes are big enough, I was going to consider quitting the series that I have been a big fan of since 1998. I believe the rumors though because this is coming from the same group of people that leaked Team Rainbow Rocket for Ultra Sun ad Ultra Moon early, so they have a very good track record. I'm also very nervous about the Kanto Remake/Reboot rumors as well. I do NOT want a return to Kanto! I just want a new generation with new Pokémon, that's all. But thankfully those rumors don't come from lavandula, Desdar300, or any of their sources, so I don't tend to believe them as much. Part of me also says to put trust in Game Freak but I also find that extremely difficult when reading a lot of the posts on the forums because it really makes me second guess and go back to my considerations of quitting the series because of this rumor and if it comes true. Before I joined the forums this past Sunday, I was checking in every day on this thread since the mention of the battle system rumors to see if lavandula or Desdar300 posted any new leaks about the battle system for the Switch games and I still do check in here every day (I have this thread on my watched threads list). These leaks have been bothering me for weeks since their introduction back in late December to the public on Pokéjungle and this thread. I wish I could just shove them off to the side but I feel it's next to impossible. Any advice on how you guys manage to do it, please feel to message me on my page. Aside from all that, deep down I also trust that Game Freak will do what is right with the Switch games and that in the end we will get a worthy next installment. There's more to Pokémon than just the battle system that appeals to me.
 

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That being said, I really don't think there's any truth to them and even if there was, there's a big part of me that's screaming "JUST TRUST GAME FREAK!" which can admittedly be a tricky thing to do if you spend any time reading a lot of the posts on these forums - it never ceases to amaze me how many people are convinced that GF are intent on sabotaging the franchise and angering the fanbase - which, with utmost respect to those people, shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how business works.
of course you guys are the head figures of the whole fanbase....
 

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After all this time I think that, if the change is true, I guess we should wait and see how it works before jumping into conclusions.

I think someone said something similar to this a while ago.
 

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no one said that turn based battle system are bad, we (atleast i) just point out that the change from a turn based battle system to a more active one isnt the end of pokemon.

Sorry for the confusion this is the sentiment I was responding to:

as it stands Pokemon really is held back the most by its battle system. turn-based and numbers-based means that you can only do so much to add difficulty and strategic depth to the game. U-Necrozma represents a good example of how limited Pokemon's battle system truly is.

This turn based systems are bad thing is something I really have a problem with. Some of my favorite rpgs are turn based systems like. Heck D&D is turn based and without that system we wouldn't have any rpgs to begin with. And D&D is still one of the most complex and played systems in table top gameing.
 

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There's more to Pokémon than just the battle system that appeals to me.
THIS

Whatever Gamefreak does with the battle system, there will probably be so much good “other stuff” that a change to the battle system shouldn’t really be a problem.

If you are worried though you should simply expect the worst and it will probably not be as bad as you think it will be. The original leaks said that people call it disruptive and other don’t like it and that is basically all we know about it.

Also the main games needs its own battling system that makes it unique. Mystery dungeon has its battle system, Pokken has its own, even Pokémon Go has its own battle system that is different but the TGC and Maingames are both turn based. The Maingames need something new and unique
 
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@Extroth:
no one said that turn based battle system are bad
never said that the turn-based system was bad. however, with what some fans increasingly want for the series (less linearity, more difficulty), the current turn-based, numbers-based, 4D rock-paper-scissors battle system prevents much of that from happening (among other things).
 
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THIS

Whatever Gamefreak does with the battle system, there will probably be so much good “other stuff” that a change to the battle system shouldn’t really be a problem.

If you are worried though you should simply expect the worst and it will probably not be as bad as you think it will be. The original leaks said that people call it disruptive and other don’t like it and that is basically all we know about it.

Also the main games needs its own battling system that makes it unique. Mystery dungeon has its battle system, Pokken has its own, even Pokémon Go has its own battle system that is different but the TGC and Maingames are both turn based. The Maingames need something new and unique

I'm very worried about the battle system rumor but I'm not going to expect the worst, otherwise I would be a miserable person all the time. And as for the original leaks, It just really boils down to a matter of opinion. There are those who supposedly liked this new battle system and found it "disruptive" while others found it "damaging". I'm not going to take any side at the moment and see what happens. That is if the rumors are to be believed. But I believe them because this is all coming from the same group of leakers that leaked Team Rainbow Rocket for USUM early. It could be a while until we see some footage or information from Nintendo, TPCi, and Game Freak about the new battle system. But I will try my best to wait patiently until the day that we get something official.
 

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I'm very worried about the battle system rumor but I'm not going to expect the worst, otherwise I would be a miserable person all the time. And as for the original leaks, It just really boils down to a matter of opinion. There are those who supposedly liked this new battle system and found it "disruptive" while others found it "damaging". I'm not going to take any side at the moment and see what happens. That is if the rumors are to be believed. But I believe them because this is all coming from the same group of leakers that leaked Team Rainbow Rocket for USUM early. It could be a while until we see some footage or information from Nintendo, TPCi, and Game Freak about the new battle system. But I will try my best to wait patiently until the day that we get something official.
wether they changed it or not we will see. For all we know the new battle system that was shown could have been a prof of concept which they have shown a smaller circle to gauge the general census on it this could be one reason as to why they said 2018 or later.

If the battle system census would have been to negative they either would try to imrpove it or rework the game back into a turnbased system which both would take until late 2019. Thats if the 2018 romour is true
 

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I will not deny battling is what the game makes itself about, but that is not the reason I play the game. For many, apparently it is, but I've always been here for the creatures themselves. Some may like the adventure. Pokemon's greatest strength is that all of these things can exist in the same space. It is the sum of it's parts rather than just being defined by one of them. The Internet may not believe so, but I do. I must ask why must Pokemon be defined by turn-based? Then again I also ask why Pokemon must be defined by just the main series as well. The instant anyone does anything different with it, the fandom turns it's nose at it and acts like it doesn't exist for Pokemon at all. Pokemon can have a good story. Pokemon has had different kinds of gameplay elements. So why? Why is turn-based so sacred? I am asking as someone that has been playing since Yellow. Why?

Note: I am not knocking turn-based, I am asking why must it be untouchable.
 

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@Extroth:

never said that the turn-based system was bad. however, with what some fans increasingly want for the series (less linearity, more difficulty), the current turn-based, numbers-based, 4D rock-paper-scissors battle system prevents much of that from happening (among other things).

Thank you for clarifying...still I find it odd that the idea going around here is that an ARPG is somehow more difficult or more complex then a turn based one. ARPGs still use stats and numbers to determine many different factors.

And besides Pokemons easyness has nothing to do with it's simplicity and everything to do with it's complexity. There are just so many Pokemon it's easy to find a good mon for any situation. And even if you limit the number of Pokemon available before the post game to mitigate this people will complain about it because they can't use their favorites (see gen 5) an ARPG style Pokemon would still have the same problem since ARPGs still use similar stats and the like.
 

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From what I know of action RPGs, it has the added layer of tactics, but at the cost that it is possible to dodge or block any attack if you know how. That may sound like it's easier, but when done right, it's harder to figure out how to attack something than it is to simply know what their weakness is and use it.

Turn based can be more engaging, too, but it usually involves the enemies being stronger than they are in Pokemon, or even having only a certain way they can be beaten. Action RPGs can have this, too. No system is really better than the other.
 

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So my source just told me that it's looking like Zeraora will likely make an appearance around the Chinese New year. That would peg it at or around the 16th of February. It actually makes sense. I would imagine it'll be in CoroCoro as well as a trailer. Once Zeraora is out of the way we should be clear sailing as far as possible news on the Switch game. A least that's what I think.

I'm still of the mindset we'll get an Announcement as early as March. We get Zeraora in February and then in March they surprise everyone with a direct.
 

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So my source just told me that it's looking like Zeraora will likely make an appearance around the Chinese New year. That would peg it at or around the 16th of February. It actually makes sense. I would imagine it'll be in CoroCoro as well as a trailer. Once Zeraora is out of the way we should be clear sailing as far as possible news on the Switch game. A least that's what I think.

I'm still of the mindset we'll get an Announcement as early as March. We get Zeraora in February and then in March they surprise everyone with a direct.

Oh good that means we can keep arguing about ARPGs for another month at least.

In all seriousness, I wonder if maybe China could be the location of the next region that would fit the theme of new things vs. tradition.

Note: I am not knocking turn-based, I am asking why must it be untouchable.

For my part I just want GF to make this jump for the right reasons. They have every right to experiment with new ideas but I would hope that they go into the prosses understanding that what they are doing isn't better then what came before just different.

And people need to understand that many people are very attached to the way Pokemon is, remember what happened during gen III? A large group of people stopped playing because they didn't like the direction and that was due to relatively minor changes and not being able to transfer up Pokemon. Imagin the fits of rage we will see if Pokemon becomes a ARPG. Would we still be able to transfer up Pokemon? Maybe but I doubt it because such a transition will so fundamentally rework the way stats work that such a transfer system will be difficult to implement.

We can yell and complain that people are being close minded until the cows come home but people can vote with their wallets in our society and there is nothing that anyone can do about that fact right now.
 

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of course you guys are the head figures of the whole fanbase....

Hi, I notice that you're fairly new to the forums and that might explain your somewhat confrontational tone in not only this quote but some of your other posts that I've noticed. I didn't suggest that I am, or anyone else is, the head figure of the fanbase. That's ridiculous. You also told me to 'stop pretending any change to the system is bad.' - i didn't say that change is bad, nor would I ever suggest it. What I said is that I am slightly concerned about any changes being made and I hope that if they do change anything, they do it for the right reasons and execute it well. Which I'm sure they will. That doesn't mean, however, that I give up the right to be anxious when it's a game I hold so dear.

Please dial down the aggression in your posts.
 
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