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Generation 8 Rumours/Fakes/Leaks

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Hi, I notice that you're fairly new to the forums and that might explain your somewhat confrontational tone in not only this quote but some of your other posts that I've noticed. I didn't suggest that I am, or anyone else is, the head figure of the fanbase. That's ridiculous. You also told me to 'stop pretending any change to the system is bad.' - i didn't say that change is bad, nor would I ever suggest it. What I said is that I am slightly concerned about any changes being made and I hope that if they do change anything, they do it for the right reasons and execute it well. Which I'm sure they will. That doesn't mean, however, that I give up the right to be anxious when it's a game I hold so dear.

Please dial down the aggression in your posts.

alas we dont even know yet which rumours if any are true. For all we know the whole rainbow rocket thing could have been a extremly lucky guess. Until then there is no real reason to feel anxious about the new game.

Also the head of the fanbase wasnt directly directed at you but at all who say that pokemon will die if they abonden the turn based system.


And people need to understand that many people are very attached to the way Pokemon is, remember what happened during gen III? A large group of people stopped playing because they didn't like the direction and that was due to relatively minor changes and not being able to transfer up Pokemon. Imagin the fits of rage we will see if Pokemon becomes a ARPG. Would we still be able to transfer up Pokemon? Maybe but I doubt it because such a transition will so fundamentally rework the way stats work that such a transfer system will be difficult to implement.
Gen III is an odd case in general, the pokemon craze died down by that point and it was the first pokemon you couldnt play on the orignal gameboy (besides crystal i think).

Those two factor are the main reason so many fans never played the games when they where released or only much later.
And if you play gen 3 way later for the first time then of course it will be seen more negative, it did change many things some for the better others not. But thats the nature of change.

One thing i still miss from those days are pokemon contest, a thing they really should have expanded on instead of letting it go away for the most part. Another thing are the Secret base.

Also people didnt understand back then and some still dont do that the trading up of pokemon couldnt be done due the way the gba was build. it just couldnt connect to a GB/C
 

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no it didint
A change is a change. Just because it isn't the change you wanted doesn't mean it wasn't a change.
they only added the abilities to basicly have one more attack with on ap and at best 6 more pokemon with the evolution stones.
I genuinely do not understand what you're talking about here. Abilities are not the same as attacks, and Mega Stones didn't give us the party of six. And you're still disregarding the EV/IV change, the Special split, the physical/special split, and new items.

This arent really things that change the battle system in a signifigant way.....
You're goalposting here. The argument was about whether the battle system had been changed, not whether it had changed enough to be considered "significant". (which is subjective)
 

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I never said (and would never say) that 'Pokemon will die if they abandon the turn based system'

Please don't put words in peoples mouths. Misinterpreting and filling in blanks that needn't be filled in can really clog up the threads.
Sorry on that regard then i though you said it too.
Some people on the last few page outright said so through. (i am sure i read it somewhere , but i since i cant pin point it right now i will strike it through for now)
 
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I genuinely do not understand what you're talking about here. Abilities are not the same as attacks, and Mega Stones didn't give us the party of six. And you're still disregarding the EV/IV change, the Special split, the physical/special split, and new items.
EV/IV and stats in general arent related to the battle system in my opinion since those are things that work in any kind of rpg out there same with items.

Megastones basicly gave you additional pokemon(well tempevolution).
To be fair they added another layer of complexity but only due them being one time only. Other then that they just drasticly improve the stats and other new attacks so you could consider the mega forms just additional pokemon in your party you can use.
Also i said "6 more Pokemon" not that they allowed you to use up to 6 pokemon.

The Z attacks are basicly just a 5th one time attack that you can excute.

This are thing i dont personally dont consider them changing the battle system in any meaning full way.

While the system still works, no doubt about that, it still feels outdated.
 

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Hmmmm...I do not wish for the fandom to be divided, especially when it is just recovering from ages of backlash. However, I will also note that those that accepted the changes often were strong enough to endure it for this long. However, I will also say that has mostly to do with the matter it was never gone, just suspended for a while. The Meowth event in USUM has shown to me that the way we play has ALREADY been severely altered from what it originally was. We will see at any rate. They would not do it if they knew it would cause too much problems.
 

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Hmmmm...I do not wish for the fandom to be divided, especially when it is just recovering from ages of backlash. However, I will also note that those that accepted the changes often were strong enough to endure it for this long. However, I will also say that has mostly to do with the matter it was never gone, just suspended for a while. The Meowth event in USUM has shown to me that the way we play has ALREADY been severely altered from what it originally was. We will see at any rate. They would not do it if they knew it would cause too much problems.
with a theme such a tradition/past vs future it would be the perfect title (if the theme is correct)
 

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EV/IV and stats in general arent related to the battle system in my opinion since those are things that work in any kind of rpg out there same with items.
While I agree that stats are featured in multiple games, they're inherently tied to the battle system-they literally have no other function outside of battle.
Megastones basicly gave you additional pokemon(well tempevolution).
To be fair they added another layer of complexity but only due them being one time only. Other then that they just drasticly improve the stats and other new attacks so you could consider the mega forms just additional pokemon in your party you can use.
Also i said "6 more Pokemon" not that they allowed you to use up to 6 pokemon.

The Z attacks are basicly just a 5th one time attack that you can excute.

This are thing i dont personally dont consider them changing the battle system in any meaning full way.
That makes sense! To me, those seem like bigger changes because of their one-use limits, but like you said, they're still just Pokemon and moves when you get down to it.
While the system still works, no doubt about that, it still feels outdated.
Is there a specific reason you consider it outdated? I'm not trying to change your stance on it, there's nothing wrong with your disliking the system. (everyone's allowed their own opinions, after all, and no game system will please everyone) But I don't understand why you used "outdated" to describe it. That seems to imply to me that real-time is the advanced version of turn-based, when they seem to me like different types of games, like comparing board games to card games.
 

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Please remember to be respectful of each others opinions and treat each with respect. We understand discussions may get heated, and be frustrating, So just take a moment to calm down so we can all have a fun time here. :)

On that note I don’t think they would change the battle system too much. Pokémon is a game for many ages so it has to be able to be played and understood by all those ages. And the rumor is it’ll be a more simplistic. My guess would be ten removing stuff rather than changing to something like real time, which I believe to be more complicated. But that’s just me.
 

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So my source just told me that it's looking like Zeraora will likely make an appearance around the Chinese New year. That would peg it at or around the 16th of February. It actually makes sense. I would imagine it'll be in CoroCoro as well as a trailer. Once Zeraora is out of the way we should be clear sailing as far as possible news on the Switch game. A least that's what I think.

I'm still of the mindset we'll get an Announcement as early as March. We get Zeraora in February and then in March they surprise everyone with a direct.

Cool beans. I have a question though, do we know for sure from the datamining that Zeraora is a Gen 7 and not Gen 8?
 

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Something to talk about here. It is fake but might as well discuss :D
 

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While the system still works, no doubt about that, it still feels outdated.

See, these are the kind of statements that confuse me on this thread. What do you mean by outdated? How can a battle system be outdated? What would make it feel new? ARPG mechanics are older than Pokemon the first ARPG was an arcade game released in 1984.

Edit: sorry if this came off as harsh. I'm not calling out you specifically others have been doing this as well and I'm just trying to understand where your coming from. But when I went back to read it it seemed a little more aggressive then I intended.
 
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Something to talk about here. It is fake but might as well discuss :D
This seems so fake because it was posted in the past few hours and we had this in another thread early this morning.

Slightly off topic, but the arguments here inspired me to imagine how the cover for Kanto sequels may look, along with a blurb for them...
Pokemon Vermillion and Azure for the Switch

Sorry for the notification PkmnTrainerV

But anyways I think someone is a member here or browsing our forums.
 
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So my source just told me that it's looking like Zeraora will likely make an appearance around the Chinese New year. That would peg it at or around the 16th of February. It actually makes sense. I would imagine it'll be in CoroCoro as well as a trailer. Once Zeraora is out of the way we should be clear sailing as far as possible news on the Switch game. A least that's what I think.

I'm still of the mindset we'll get an Announcement as early as March. We get Zeraora in February and then in March they surprise everyone with a direct.

Does your source believe that the new games will be set in Kanto or in a new region?
 

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Cool beans. I have a question though, do we know for sure from the datamining that Zeraora is a Gen 7 and not Gen 8?

Pretty positive it's a gen 7 mon. Not only is it obviously in the coding of a gen 7 game, but it also has a dex entry.....Even if GF were willing to code an entire gen 8 mon into the back end of USUM why would they code a space into the dex as well as an entry for it? It would be silly and necessary.

Does your source believe that the new games will be set in Kanto or in a new region?

They haven't specifically said either way (that I can remember), but based on what they've told me I'd be willing to bet they think it's a new region. Hard to say this point tho. We have so many possibly true rumors, but many of them could end up being false as well. On top of that it's entirely possible many rumors that seem to conflict with each other may end up both being true at the same time. We just don't know for sure.
 

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Tomorrow I might try and add a bunch of the recent leaks. Where already on page 95, does anyone know where the “Marble” leak was and the other one? I might add those to
 

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I am not so willing to believe they will make more Megas. Sorry.
 

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People dissing turn based battles should play bravely default. I love turn based battles and a part of me would probably die if they want ARPG. But I would still play it. The appeal of Pokemon goes beyond the battle style.
Bravely Default's battle system is practically in a category all its own. It makes basically ONE change from what would otherwise be a textbook old-school job-based Final Fantasy system, but the ramifications of said change are so deep it's hard to go back to a game without it.
In Bravely Default, turns are represented by BP. Using the Defend command (called "Default") stores up BP for later use, while the "Brave" command spends BP to execute multiple actions in the same turn. But what really changes things is you can spend BP in advance if you need to, i.e. execute multiple actions now at the cost of having to miss future turns to make up the difference.
 

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Ok so nothing to crazy (yet lol), but there has been apparently rumors coming out of ResetERA that says Bandai Namco is helping in the development of Metroid Prime 4. When I heard this I immediately remembered that one guy that @lavandula brought up at the beginning of the month. DasVergeben is his name. He apparently is a proven source for leaks in the past and at the beginning of month as well as in December I think he posted about some stuff on Reddit. He covers a lot, but in one section he actually mentions that Bandai Namco was working on MP4. I saw people trying to say he was fake as BN doesn't typically work on Metroid games, but if there are now new rumors saying that BN is helping with its production that adds a new layer of credibility to his posts. Why does this matter to us? Well in the same post he mentions that the Switch Pokemon game will be coming out this year. So once again we have some kind of "evidence" (I know I know it's not REAL "evidence", but that's why I put it in quotes) pointing toward the game coming this year. I am almost certain now that they are targeting December for a release. If not December then most definitely by the end of February 2019. With all the stuff we've seen with the anime rushing, the TCG sets having a very distinct timeline that seemingly ends normal SM/USUM promotions by the end of the year, and even the new Legendary events being given away only to leave December mysteriously empty. I just can't see it any other way. It was posted a while back, but I'll leave the link to the reddit post here again.
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View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/7niilu/leakileaks_part_ii_a_statement_of_previous_ones/
 
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