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Generation IV Remake Speculation

Will there be remakes in Gen VIII?


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So New UBs were announced for USUM, making it the first time completely new species of Pokemon are introduced in a mid gen game. Could Sinnoh remakes be following suit? That would actually make things a little more interesting and help with some of the lingering variety issues even after Platinum (still only 2 Dragons in Platinum? That needs to change).
 
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So New UBs were announced for USUM, making it the first time completely new species of Pokemon are introduced in a mid gen game. Could Sinnoh remakes be following suit? That would actually make things a little more interesting and help with some of the lingering variety issues even after Platinum (still only 2 Dragons in Platinum? That needs to change).
I feel like UBs are the exception that proves the rule. UBs are supposed to be so strange they don't even seem like Pokemon-having some appear mid-generation helps add to the bizarre effect. Meanwhile, new Pokemon appearing in Sinnoh are just new Pokemon-it raises the question of "why the heck weren't these in the other games this generation?"
 
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I feel like UBs are the exception that proves the rule. UBs are supposed to be so strange they don't even seem like Pokemon-having some appear mid-generation helps add to the bizarre effect. Meanwhile, new Pokemon appearing in Sinnoh are just new Pokemon-it raises the question of "why the heck weren't these in the other games this generation?"
It depends on the circumstances behind the games, but the "alternate universe" card could work here with pretty much any game. In Sinnoh's case, what it could mean is that the new Pokemon introduced in DP remakes are new Sinnoh natives that weren't known about in the original DPPt's universe. In the universes of all previous games, the 107 we got in DP were the only known Sinnoh Pokemon but in actuality there would be more introduced in this game.
 
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My issue isn't with having Pokemon that weren't included in the original games-Pokemon from new gens are added in every remake. My issue is with having entirely new Pokemon that had never appeared before, even in the other games of the generation the remake was introduced in. It just doesn't make sense from a gameplay perspective-a Pokemon that only exists in a remake is going to have considerably less time to be enjoyed by fans until the next generation.
 
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Introducing new pokemon in Sinnoh remake is highly unlikely, having form changes For example, New Megas, and possibly some Sinnoh form would be likely. I don't see them introducing new pokemon in a remake, the UBs are an exception, because they're not consider pokemon, but they are.
 
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My issue isn't with having Pokemon that weren't included in the original games-Pokemon from new gens are added in every remake. My issue is with having entirely new Pokemon that had never appeared before, even in the other games of the generation the remake was introduced in. It just doesn't make sense from a gameplay perspective-a Pokemon that only exists in a remake is going to have considerably less time to be enjoyed by fans until the next generation.
I mean isn't it the same for version exclusive Pokemon? How does it make sense that Seal is only found in Diamond and that Slowpoke is only found in Pearl?
 
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I mean isn't it the same for version exclusive Pokemon? How does it make sense that Seal is only found in Diamond and that Slowpoke is only found in Pearl?
You're missing my point. Read my last statement again-
a Pokemon that only exists in a remake is going to have considerably less time to be enjoyed by fans until the next generation.
It's not about story, it's about gameplay. Diamond and Pearl weren't the remakes of their gen, and Seal and Slowpoke weren't only in those games-they could be obtained in HGSS,too.

If a Pokemon was included only in the remakes of a generation, it wouldn't be compatible with the main games of the generation, and would not be able to be enjoyed by as many people. It would also have less time to be noticed compared to the other Pokemon of its generation-remakes are always after the initial generation has debuted, after all-until the next gen started. (While the new UBs have been getting a lot of popularity, they also haven't had much to compete with-the only other information on USUM has been new forms and vague details about the story. Remakes for Gen 4, on the other hand, would surely have more information advertised)
 
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I understand your point even less now. A newly introduced pokemon to Sinnoh for DP remakes can still be included in the next generation for fans to continue enjoying that new pokemon. Also by virtue of it being a new pokemon, I think many would be eager to use it in the games that it is introduced, even if it is just a mid generation game.
 
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If a Pokemon was included only in the remakes of a generation, it wouldn't be compatible with the main games of the generation, and would not be able to be enjoyed by as many people. It would also have less time to be noticed compared to the other Pokemon of its generation-remakes are always after the initial generation has debuted, after all-until the next gen started. (While the new UBs have been getting a lot of popularity, they also haven't had much to compete with-the only other information on USUM has been new forms and vague details about the story. Remakes for Gen 4, on the other hand, would surely have more information advertised)
They can include those Pokemon at any point after their introduction, it doesn't really matter when it's introduced as long as it gets enough attention in the games. Hell, some new Pokemon in new generations are so rare that casual players probably don't know about them, would you say Pokemon like Mareanie would be able to be enjoyed by many people considering what it takes to get one in SM?
 
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I understand your point even less now. A newly introduced pokemon to Sinnoh for DP remakes can still be included in the next generation for fans to continue enjoying that new pokemon. Also by virtue of it being a new pokemon, I think many would be eager to use it in the games that it is introduced, even if it is just a mid generation game.
Yes, but remakes are meant to be a reincarnation of the original games with some added features. Whole new Pokémon wouldn't suffice with being in line with the originals.
 
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Why? People are suddenly getting this idea that this new Pokémon mid-generation action is going to happen every generation now. But what if it's only a one-time deal?
Certainly could be the case, but the point is the possibility exists now and is worth discussing. What SinnohEevee suggested wasn't even that presumptuous, it was just a simple "what if they did this?"
 
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Certainly could be the case, but the point is the possibility exists now and is worth discussing. What SinnohEevee suggested wasn't even that presumptuous, it was just a simple "what if they did this?"
Game Freak opened the floodgates. God knows what previously-though impossible thing they may do next. It might be a one-time thing only, but it might happen again.
 
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If they do introduce a new pokemon, I would like it to be based on something that has cultural significance to the actual place that the region is based on, i.e. Hokkaido in the case of Sinnoh.
 
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If they do introduce a new pokemon, I would like it to be based on something that has cultural significance to the actual place that the region is based on, i.e. Hokkaido in the case of Sinnoh.
Which type(s) do you think would fit it best?
 
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I understand your point even less now. A newly introduced pokemon to Sinnoh for DP remakes can still be included in the next generation for fans to continue enjoying that new pokemon.
Again, read what I quoted to you before.
a Pokemon that only exists in a remake is going to have considerably less time to be enjoyed by fans until the next generation.
I mentioned "until the next generation" for a reason. Of course it can be included in later generations, but another generation of Pokemon is going to take years to develop.
Also by virtue of it being a new pokemon, I think many would be eager to use it in the games that it is introduced, even if it is just a mid generation game.
But not everyone is willing or able to buy mid generation games.
They can include those Pokemon at any point after their introduction, it doesn't really matter when it's introduced as long as it gets enough attention in the games. Hell, some new Pokemon in new generations are so rare that casual players probably don't know about them, would you say Pokemon like Mareanie would be able to be enjoyed by many people considering what it takes to get one in SM?
Yes, because even if Mareanie is difficult to obtain in the wild, it can still be traded to players. Again, this is an out-of-game situation. It's not about how the Pokemon can be obtained in the game-it's the problem that it'd be literally impossible to use the Pokemon in half the games in its generation.
 
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Which type(s) do you think would fit it best?
Hokkaido crab? A cow or even a butter pokemon lmfao. IDK.

I'm just curious, are the generations a classification method used by the fandom or is it something official?
 
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I'm just curious, are the generations a classification method used by the fandom or is it something official?
I don't think they explicitly refer to the concept of generations very much, but it is inherently baked in to their standard procedure. The introduction of a new region and a new wave of Pokémon including new Starters + new Legendary Pokémon that occupy boxarts always coincides with a break in compatibility; a point where Pokémon from a previous point can be transferred forward to newer games, but not backward. So even if it's not used outright as a classification method, it still fundamentally exists on a mechanical level because of how they lay out the compatibility.
 
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