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Generation IV Remake Speculation

Will there be remakes in Gen VIII?


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I was thinking more like a better version of how you can do some Johto gyms out of order.
 

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Yeah, I get why people want no set hierarchy for the Gyms, but they have one for a reason.

I get that it is annoying to backtrack to certain cities, but with the Ride Pokemon nowadays, it's not that much of a problem.

That said, I think a sequal would also be interesting. How Cyrus is faring in the Distortion World, for example.
 
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If that happens, they'll have to reboot some of the gym leaders and their characteristics in the DPPt games. For example, Volkner said he was the strongest gym leader in the region (I think he wanted to join the E4 or something). If the gym challenges don't have a sequence, they'll have to change his story about his boredom from being the strongest and major game events that stemmed from his boredom, like the Sunyshore blackout. If I remember correctly, Volkner designed his gym puzzles out of boredom from being too strong. If we take away the gym leader hierarchy from Sinnoh, they'll have to change Volkner's character and some of the events and even aesthetic designs as well.

Of course - none of this will matter if they just go with prequels :D
Yes, but a gym leader's job is to test trainers and their abilities. I doubt a trainer who has no gym badges yet would get to fight the same team as a trainer with 7 badges. So just because Volkner has the best capabilities, doesn't mean he has to fight at full strength all the time. Iirc, none of the battles he had had so far posed a challenge. And that's why he's bored. So a rookie trainer challenger would still fit, cause he wouldn't even need to go all out, or be able to
 
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Just pointing out that Pokémon Generations (it was that right, and not some other side series) showed that Gym leaders adjust their teams according to the trainer's amount of badges.
 
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Just pointing out that Pokémon Generations (it was that right, and not some other side series) showed that Gym leaders adjust their teams according to the trainer's amount of badges.
It was actually Origins, but this has not been shown outside that continuity.
 
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Honestly, I don't expect the Sinnoh remakes to allow us to challenge gyms out of order. But backtracking is a whole lot easier now that the remakes are most likely not going to have HMs.
 
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Honestly, I don't expect the Sinnoh remakes to allow us to challenge gyms out of order. But backtracking is a whole lot easier now that the remakes are most likely not going to have HMs.
In DP, the player could battle Maylene and Crasher Wake in any order they want, with their teams being around the same level. In Platinum, Maylene has to be fought first, and then Crasher Wake.
 
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In DP, the player could battle Maylene and Crasher Wake in any order they want, with their teams being around the same level.
Really? I never knew that.

I'm also thinking about how you couldn't do the Hearthome Gym the first time you went to Hearthome City in Diamond and Pearl for some reason, which they changed in Platinum. Also, I don't like how they got rid of the Happiny egg you get in the gate to route 209 in Platinum. Could they bring that back for a remake?
 
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Really? I never knew that.

I'm also thinking about how you couldn't do the Hearthome Gym the first time you went to Hearthome City in Diamond and Pearl for some reason, which they changed in Platinum. Also, I don't like how they got rid of the Happiny egg you get in the gate to route 209 in Platinum. Could they bring that back for a remake?
The remakes will most likely be based on DP, so yes.
 
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Really? I never knew that.

I'm also thinking about how you couldn't do the Hearthome Gym the first time you went to Hearthome City in Diamond and Pearl for some reason, which they changed in Platinum. Also, I don't like how they got rid of the Happiny egg you get in the gate to route 209 in Platinum. Could they bring that back for a remake?
Well, if I recall correctly (I have not played Pearl in years), Maylene and Wake even had Pokémon the exact same levels.
 
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There's also Byron and Roark having some of their stories and dialogues backed up by the gym leader strength hierarchy. If I remember correctly, Byron says that the younger generation would have to overcome the trainers of the older generation like himself, and some of that has implications of him still thinking Roark as a young child and probably not experienced enough as a gym leader. They'd have to change most of that if all the gym leaders were to have equal strengths.
 
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There's also Byron and Roark having some of their stories and dialogues backed up by the gym leader strength hierarchy. If I remember correctly, Byron says that the younger generation would have to overcome the trainers of the older generation like himself, and some of that has implications of him still thinking Roark as a young child and probably not experienced enough as a gym leader.
Doesn't help that Roark was not the first candidate he had in mind. It was Riley, and he apparently chose Roark after Riley suggested him to Byron.
 
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There's also Byron and Roark having some of their stories and dialogues backed up by the gym leader strength hierarchy. If I remember correctly, Byron says that the younger generation would have to overcome the trainers of the older generation like himself, and some of that has implications of him still thinking Roark as a young child and probably not experienced enough as a gym leader. They'd have to change most of that if all the gym leaders were to have equal strengths.
There's no real need to change any of that. They can either scale the gym leaders based on your own levels or just... let you lose... :enzap:
 
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There's no real need to change any of that. They can either scale the gym leaders based on your own levels or just... let you lose... :enzap:
The gym leader strength hierarchy - or scaling - has been a big part of the Sinnoh gym leader backstories. It's because you have to challenge Roark before Byron that dialogue and backstory has meaning to it.

If they can get rid of the gym leader scaling without sacrificing any of the story aspect - then fine by me. If they can actually improve on that, with actual quests to solve conflicts and character problems and stuff all the while letting the player character choose which order they want to battle the gyms - then that would definitely work. What I don't want to see is the story getting sacrificed from the changes. I have my concerns about pokemon turning into "open world" because a story has a sequence. You can build it in anyways so that the player can make their own story, but there's always a beginning and there's always a resolution. Pokemon isn't built to be a visual novel where you make choices to progress the story and select your own conflicts. There's going to be a bunch of dialogue options/character appearance options/NPC event options/etc all on top of that basic Team Galactic story, and I really don't see how that can work into the Sinnoh games.

Though I like the idea of having to lose to progress because that would mean there's a reasonable story about the gym leader that requires you to lose before challenging them again. More story is always a plus.
 
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They will do both remake for crystal and for diamond and pearl. I really wanted that they change from remaking the original stories such as RGB, GS, RS by remaking the platinum version. So they really made me happy that they did remake for pikachu game and by doing a new thing which is removed from 1 game into 2 games let's go pikachu and eevee.

So I really want Let's go Crystal, and remake for DP and Platinum this time
 
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They will do both remake for crystal and for diamond and pearl. I really wanted that they change from remaking the original stories such as RGB, GS, RS by remaking the platinum version. So they really made me happy that they did remake for pikachu game and by doing a new thing which is removed from 1 game into 2 games let's go pikachu and eevee.

So I really want Let's go Crystal, and remake for DP and Platinum this time
They remade Crystal already with HGSS. They couldn't remake Emerald because they wanted to keep RS's differences. A hybrid between DP and Platinum is likely, maybe with a post-game episode based on Giratina.
 
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They remade Crystal already with HGSS. They couldn't remake Emerald because they wanted to keep RS's differences. A hybrid between DP and Platinum is likely, maybe with a post-game episode based on Giratina.
Yes I know but let's go pikachu is the first time so they can complete and they cannot and so I said my hopes
 
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