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Generation IV Remake Speculation

Will there be remakes in Gen VIII?


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Honestly they should just forget about the Pal Park and devote the time and resources to something more important. Personally, I'd replace the Park with a generic house where NPCs trade you regional variants, and call it a day.

(Fun fact: Aside from Darumaka, Yamask, and Stunfisk for obvious reasons, every Pokémon that currently has a regional form can be found in Sinnoh through some method or another.)
 
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Yes. That too. It seems to me that the Pokemarts can be only found in regions that are based on Japan.
That's an interesting observation. I wonder whether Pokemon Centres and Poke Marts were merged partly to show how people do things differently in Unova, because it's a long way away from the other regions? Or maybe it's a coincidence. I think Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh will always have Poke Marts, even in remakes, because removing them would leave an empty space in the layout of each town.
 
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I would disagree with this, personally. It’s definitely subjective, mind you, but I would argue that a Wild Area is more thematically in-line with Gen 8 concepts while a Go Park more-so aligns with LG.
If what you mean is that Pal Park is an area with special rules that a Wild Area wouldn’t really have, I’d point to the Hoenn Safari Zone’s overhaul as a precedent for them retconning certain areas to simply being a new place to explore rather than a mini-game.
When I said I felt like it fits more thematically, I meant in regards to both Pal Park and GO Park sharing the same function of transferring over Pokemon (from Gen 3/GO) and having to find & recatch them across the area.

Though I will say @Esserise idea sounds like a nice alternative
 
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(Fun fact: Aside from Darumaka, Yamask, and Stunfisk for obvious reasons, every Pokémon that currently has a regional form can be found in Sinnoh through some method or another.)
I'm pretty sure Sinnoh had almost every pokemon available through some method or another. Though quite a few of them required a GBA game inserted into your DS.
 
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I'm pretty sure Sinnoh had almost every pokemon available through some method or another. Though quite a few of them required a GBA game inserted into your DS.
Yup. Between Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum every Pokémon was available barring the starters and most legendary Pokémon from other regions.
 
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I had completely forgotten you could get pretty much every Pokémon in the Sinnoh games via Poké Radar, swarms, the Trophy Garden, and the GBA slot. Admittedly, some of these methods weren't exactly convenient, but if you look at it that way, technically there wasn't really a reason for HeartGold/SoulSilver PokéDex-wise and we got them anyway. On the other hand, if you look at the available Pokémon in gen. 3 and 6, you could more or less predict the remakes.

And now in gen. 8, things are different yet again because thanks to Dexit, we don't really know how much of an argument the availability of Pokémon really is at this point. I still think we're definitely going to get those remakes next year.
 
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I had completely forgotten you could get pretty much every Pokémon in the Sinnoh games via Poké Radar, swarms, the Trophy Garden, and the GBA slot. Admittedly, some of these methods weren't exactly convenient, but if you look at it that way, technically there wasn't really a reason for HeartGold/SoulSilver PokéDex-wise and we got them anyway. On the other hand, if you look at the available Pokémon in gen. 3 and 6, you could more or less predict the remakes.

And now in gen. 8, things are different yet again because thanks to Dexit, we don't really know how much of an argument the availability of Pokémon really is at this point. I still think we're definitely going to get those remakes next year.
Legendaries and some starters were hard to get in DPPt, though.
 
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I had completely forgotten you could get pretty much every Pokémon in the Sinnoh games via Poké Radar, swarms, the Trophy Garden, and the GBA slot. Admittedly, some of these methods weren't exactly convenient, but if you look at it that way, technically there wasn't really a reason for HeartGold/SoulSilver PokéDex-wise and we got them anyway. On the other hand, if you look at the available Pokémon in gen. 3 and 6, you could more or less predict the remakes.
Legendaries and some starters were hard to get in DPPt, though.
Not just "hard to get," these Pokémon aren't available in DP or Platinum in any capacity:

- Bulbasaur, Charmander, and Squirtle lines
- Mewtwo
- Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile lines
- Raikou, Entei, Suicune
- Lugia, Ho-Oh
- Treecko, Torchic, and Mudkip lines
- Latias, Latios
- Kyogre, Groudon Rayquaza

And indeed, HGSS took care of all of those.

Also, I'm not so sure that XY's selection of Pokémon really presaged the existence of Hoenn remakes. Mega Blaziken getting a headstart and the Mega Eon duo being in the code, sure, but Kalos had all but a few of Hoenn's Pokémon included natively, be it within the Kalos Pokédex, through the Friend Safari, or in the case of Lileep and Anorith, version-exclusive post-game fossils. The only Hoenn Pokémon not available in some way were:

- Treecko, Torchic, and Mudkip lines (although Torchic got the early purchase event distribution)
- Slakoth line
- Baltoy line
- Feebas line
- Castform
- Regirock, Regice, Registeel
- Latias, Latios
- Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza

A second Kalos game could have taken care of those just as easily. Plus, the appearance of Hoopa rings to access all the missing Legendaries would have frankly made more sense in a Kalos game than a Hoenn one, seeing as Hoopa was a Gen 6 Mythical. (Not to mention how Volcanion was also teased ahead of time in XY as having a role in old Kalosian traditions. ORAS sort of papered over this by letting you view old tapes where Pyramid King Brandon tracks Volcanion down and has near-miss encounters with it in several different regions.)

All in all, XY were actually missing the most from Sinnoh and Unova. In terms of individual species, there were:

- 7 Kantonian Pokémon left out (Rattata line, Meowth line, Koffing line, Porygon)
- 18 Johtonian Pokémon left out (Starters, Misdreavus, Unown, Porygon2, Stantler, Legendaries)
- 25 Hoennian Pokémon left out (listed above)
- 30 Sinnohan Pokémon left out (Starters, Kricketot line, Cherubi line, Buneary line, Mismagius, Glameow line, Finneon line, Porygon-Z, Legendaries)
- 32 Unovan Pokémon left out (Starters, Cottonee line, Darumaka line, Yamask line, Frillish line, Tynamo line, Elgyem line, Bouffalant, Legendaries)

Furthermore, the only non-Gen 3 family from that pool that appears in the Hoenn Pokédex is the Koffing line.


* Note: For everything above, I largely ignored Mythical Pokémon, since they've got no bearing on Pokédex inclusion either way.
 
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Is it silly to be excited for the return of Pokemarts? I've never really been happy with pokemon centers and pokemarts being combined into one building.
No it isn't silly. I also prefer to see the Mart as a spearate building.
I was sad when playing Moon to see that the Centers were still united with Marts and had also the Café...:confused_emoji: What's next? Gyms in the back of the Centers? :rolleyes:

Edit: I go to Youtube and some videos about rumours for 2021 appear and I don't care one bit, first because I'm tired of every youtuber having a rumour every week and secondly because I don't care anymore about GF and the Pkmn franchise as it is and yet...I still like to come to this very thread and it seems I'm not the only one. Is this a mere sign of nostalgia and wanting to know if, what and how will Gen. IV remakes exist and be made or does it go deeper as a sign that newer games aren't good enough compared to older games!? Curious.
 
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I don't expect the remakes to include every species that was available in the original's post game because of Dexit. And that wouldn't be unprecedented either, there's multiple Pokemon from Emerald that weren't available in ORAS:

-Hoothoot/Noctowl
-Ledyba/Ledian
-Mareep/Flaafy/Ampharos
-Sudowoodo
-Wooper
-Gligar
-Snubbull/Granbull
-Shuckle
-Teddiursa/Ursaring
-Houndour/Houndoom
-Smeargle
-Miltank

I expect they'll just cut the dongle method (and maybe swarms) and shuffle around the availability to distribute the remaining Pokemon not in SwSh throughout the game and there's similarly going to be some Pokemon that were available in DPPt's post game that won't be available in the remakes. I fully expect all 210 Pokemon from Platinum's Sinnoh Dex to make the cut though.
 
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There is a guy on Twitter who has spilled the beans on the Nintendo 2021 line-up. If he is speaking the truth, we'll see both the gamebundle and gen 4 remakes next year. With the latter being announced after february. And a Let's Go sequel in 2022.

The guy has predicted things before, but I'm not certain, obviously.
 
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There is a guy on Twitter who has spilled the beans on the Nintendo 2021 line-up. If he is speaking the truth, we'll see both the gamebundle and gen 4 remakes next year. With the latter being announced after february. And a Let's Go sequel in 2022.

The guy has predicted things before, but I'm not certain, obviously.
We should take it with a grain of salt. Sometimes, he may gets the predictions wrong.
 
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There is a guy on Twitter who has spilled the beans on the Nintendo 2021 line-up. If he is speaking the truth, we'll see both the gamebundle and gen 4 remakes next year. With the latter being announced after february. And a Let's Go sequel in 2022.

The guy has predicted things before, but I'm not certain, obviously.
That sounds too good to be true, even though I would really love it to be true since it would give Gen 9 more development time and a better chance for it to be on the next Nintendo console rather than the Switch. As much as I love the Switch, I think working for a future system after Gen 8 is done when the console isn't even announced would be best for Pokemon right now since they have so much more time to make the first games a lot more polished.
 
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That sounds too good to be true, even though I would really love it to be true since it would give Gen 9 more development time and a better chance for it to be on the next Nintendo console rather than the Switch. As much as I love the Switch, I think working for a future system after Gen 8 is done when the console isn't even announced would be best for Pokemon right now since they have so much more time to make the first games a lot more polished.
Agreed, but he might not information about gen 9 yet if he's talking the truth.

But I obviously agree that we should take this with a grain of salt, even though he has been right on things before.
 
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