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Generation IV Remake Speculation

Will there be remakes in Gen VIII?


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Let wait for E3 in next Mouth maybe Nintendo announce Pokémon Gen 4 remakes also Stars on both 3DS & Switch plus Classic Gen 2 on Virtual Console.
 
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Let wait for E3 in next Mouth maybe Nintendo announce Pokémon Gen 4 remakes also Stars on both 3DS & Switch plus Classic Gen 2 on Virtual Console.
Woah, that a bit much, they can only release one game a year, it could be either Diamond/Pearl Remake or Stars. As for Gold/Silver/Crystal Virtual Console, they can release this year or next year. But having all that in one year is a bit too much IMO.
 
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We seem to be getting some very mixed message from Nintendo/GameFreak/Pokemon. Perhaps that is part of the plan.

As far as I'm concerned there's a valid case with strong evidence to be made for any of the follwing

* Alola 3rd version
* Kanto sequel (possibly Johto as well
* DP remakes
* Gap year

All of which have strong evidence backing them up, which if were not to be the case would leave you asking questions about why certain moves were made, all would break some form of pre established pattern.
 
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But we already have remake of Red/Blue
Which, since RS were remade with ORAS, has become the oldest game and next in line for a "remake." This is the first time that the next game "in line" is itself a remake.

Now they can do a Kanto/Johto reboot/remaster, that would be better. Since the 20th movie points to the possible next and a lot of hints and reference from Sun/Moon, it's likely possible.
This is exactly what I've been saying. I'm actually not arguing for a remake. That would be silly tbh, especially with the Virtual Console release last year. Talk about boring. But I believe a Kanto revisit in the form of SM sequels or something like that is likely. And, it would follow that this SM sequel in Kanto would also function as like a "20 years later" sequel for Kanto. Perfect, right?

That fucking land in Vermilion City with the Machop pounding the land will finally have a goddamn building on it!

As for Diamond/Pearl, okay yes it's the 10th anniversary of Diamond/Pearl, and yes it's time for remake.
This year is actually Diamond and Pearl's 11th anniversary, not 10th. Besides, ORAS came out during the 12th anniversary year of RS, whereas HGSS were the 10th anniversary. I'm honestly expecting DP remakes in 2019 (5 years after ORAS) or 2020 (their 14th anniversary).

In Sun/Moon, we have a lot of reference and hints toward Sinnoh
There were a lot of references and hints to every past region--but Kanto had way more than the rest (including Sinnoh).

along with 20th movie showing popular pokemon, Piplup and Lucario (also Luxray because of the toys, so he'll likely to appear in the movie also). With those hints and reference is a possibility of a Sinnoh Remake next.
Obviously we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I've said time and time again how these cameos likely don't matter at all when there are references to the whole series, again with Kanto in the lead as usual. (Not saying I like it, but it's true). Besides, there is no way they would do DP remakes on the 3DS. If nothing else, DPPt are still playable on 3DS.

It could go either way, but demanding it, is not going to help. The one person says "Kanto needs more than Sinnoh because it's the 20th anniversary" and the person says "Sinnoh need more because it's didn't get it remake, so Sinnoh is more demanding than Kanto". See demanding the games and fighting over it is not going to help.
I don't believe anybody is doing this that I recall... we're just debating different opinions, observations, and ideas.

Woah, that a bit much, they can only release one game a year, it could be either Diamond/Pearl Remake or Stars. As for Gold/Silver/Crystal Virtual Console, they can release this year or next year. But having all that in one year is a bit too much IMO.
RBY released on Virtual Console and we got Sun/Moon on 3DS in the same year (2016).

Also, FRLG and Emerald came in the same year, as well (2004, iirc).

However, I agree that there's no way we're getting X remakes and Stars at once. It's much much much more likely to be one main game/pair (like Stars) and GSC on 3DS VC.
 
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Okay now I ahve a question, regardless of when it happens, Gen 4 remakes have to consider one thing. What do do with the extra legendaries?

I'll elaborate. Every remake has had a way to get every legendary that isn't found in the headlining games (though Ho-oh and Lugia had some weirdness with that in Gen 3) It stands that the gen 4 remakes might be similar. Platinum established a way to get the Golems and Birds, but considering the latter are tied to a mechanic that seemed to be universally reviled...

Either way that still leaves the following:
  • Mewtwo
  • Crown Beasts (Entei, Raikou and Suicune)
  • Tower Birds (Ho-Oh and Lugia)
  • Weather Trio (Groudon, Kyogre,and Raquayza)
  • Aeon Dragons (Latios and Latias)
  • Deoxys
  • Swords of Justice (Terrakion, Viriziona dn Cobalion)
  • Tao Dragons (Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem)
  • Forces of Nature (Landorus, Tornadus and Thunderus)
  • Mortality trio (Xerneas, Yveltal and Zygarde)
And if not in 7 they also have to account for:
  • Cosmog and their evolutions
  • Necrozma
  • The Tapu (Koko, Lele, Fini and Bulu)
  • and the Ultra Beasts
  • On a lesser note they laso have to consider Silvally, but the connection to Arceus might make it easier).
How would you think a potential Gen 4 remake might handled those legendaries (and a side story centering on Giratina and a Gen 4 mythical should they consider that?)
 
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I think mostly because we've just been in SM, references will hardly give us any nostalgia at this point :p Also it's probably not about being against SM, but more about wanting a Sinnoh game to be about Sinnoh and not SM again, since again: we've just been there. At least that's my reasons for wanting to keep SM references to a minimum.

Aether Foundation people checking out the library would be fine by me though, cause that would make total sense. But if we get more SM cameos that would kinda ruin the immersion for me, because I play this game to be in Sinnoh again and see the Sinnoh characters, not the SM ones.
 
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How would you think a potential Gen 4 remake might handled those legendaries (and a side story centering on Giratina and a Gen 4 mythical should they consider that?)
Well, they did just use Hoopa to give us all the Legendaries in ORAS, so I can see them doing that again. Especially because of the Beasts, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Xerneas, Yveltal, and if not in Gen 7, the Tapus.

Cosmog, the UBs, and Necrozma could be thrown in a UB quest if it isn't in Gen 7. They're not restricted to one place after all.
 
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In any remakes how would Manaphy, Darkrai and Shaymin be handled?

In ORAS, Jirachi was completely ignored but Deoxys was part of the main game, requiring no event. Could the Membership Key and Oak's Letter be obtained through normal gameplay like Deoxys, event again, or scrapped altogether like the GS Ball in HGSS?
 
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Considering Arceus' status as the creator of the Pokémon world, I feel like it should remain as event-exclusive.

And that's if they decide to cut back on the event-only mons to 1 in the Gen that's getting remade. So in this case, Manaphy, Phione, Shaymin, and Darkrai would be obtainable without events.
 
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Well, they did just use Hoopa to give us all the Legendaries in ORAS, so I can see them doing that again. Especially because of the Beasts, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Xerneas, Yveltal, and if not in Gen 7, the Tapus.

Cosmog, the UBs, and Necrozma could be thrown in a UB quest if it isn't in Gen 7. They're not restricted to one place after all.
I agree. Hoopa portals are by far the best option. They could place Hoopa portals in random post-game locations, and then, as a reward for capturing every legendary from Hoopa's portals, you could then battle and capture Hoopa. Win/Win.
 
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Don't really like the idea of Hoopa portals, I never did. They're just too phoned in and lazy. I'm fine with Ultra Space portals for UBs, but regular legendaries generally have more lore and backstory behind them so just randomly cramming them in places with no explanation feels like an injustice.
 
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Yeah, I'm not too satisfied to this idea of "oh hey, there's a pokeyman who is creating portal for legendaries, go catch'em 'cause... yes". A bit of random lore would be cool to have. Like "oh, Latios is a smart Pokémon, which is the reason why you can find him near the library or sumfing i dunno." Not really hard to create a tidbit of explanation.
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UNLESS, of course, it means you can go and capture Hoopa. Like, he created some trials for the players to finish, which is capturing a X number of legendaries, and the reward is being able to capture Hoopa himself.
I wouldn't mind that at all. If they do that, then they can throw a kjghpillion ring portals around and it would be fine by me.
 
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They could place Hoopa portals in random post-game locations, and then, as a reward for capturing every legendary from Hoopa's portals, you could then battle and capture Hoopa.
I'm still disappointed ORAS didn't actually do something with Hoopa in-game, especially since they used his portals in the game. Maybe in the future, though.

Don't really like the idea of Hoopa portals, I never did. They're just too phoned in and lazy. I'm fine with Ultra Space portals for UBs, but regular legendaries generally have more lore and backstory behind them so just randomly cramming them in places with no explanation feels like an injustice.
I think the idea is fine for Legendaries that are supposed to be one-of-a-kind (Groudon & co, Dialga & co, Reshiram & co, Xerneas & co), don't have a reason to be active at the time (Reshiram/Zekrom should've been in their Light/Dark Stones if Hoopa didn't mess around), can't travel across the ocean (Entei/Raikou, the Musketeers), and whatever else.

I will say they could've easily not included Thundurus/Tornadus/Landorus, Heatran, and Cresslia with the Hoopa thing, so I don't think they should do it with every Legendary, just some of them.
 
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I've complained about this before, I don't like how recently, the franchise has been using legendaries as gimmicks. The biggest offender is Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon, where "Legendary Pokémon™ and Mythical Pokémon™ (are trademarks of The Pokémon Company © 1995 - 2015. All rights reserved.) are turning into stone", because that apparently makes the stakes inherently high. /rant

My point is, I don't like shoving legendaries into everything because usually, they don't actually do anything.
 
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I've complained about this before, I don't like how recently, the franchise has been using legendaries as gimmicks. The biggest offender is Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon, where "Legendary Pokémon™ and Mythical Pokémon™ (are trademarks of The Pokémon Company © 1995 - 2015. All rights reserved.) are turning into stone", because that apparently makes the stakes inherently high. /rant

My point is, I don't like shoving legendaries into everything because usually, they don't actually do anything.
I wouldn't call RSE recent. ORAS yes, but not RSE. And the ship has already sailed considering we're discussing the potential remake of games where the villain already had designs on the local Legendary pokemon.

Don't get me wrong, I can see how annoying the whole "Legendaries as mascots/gimmicks" concepts are and the entire concept of mythicals (limited time pokemon that requires you to be at the right place at the right time mostly) are.

X and Y are more egregious with this IMO. In D/P Cyrus wanted Dialga and Palkia because they have control over metaphysical domains and Cyrus wanted that power to recreate the universe in his own stoic image, while the Lake Trio were needed to summon them and have more of a presence and role as a result. In X and Y? Lysandre wanted Xerneas and Yveltal because he needed a power source for the Ultimate Weapon (even though Yveltal's power of killing/petrifying everyone that is in Oblivion Wing's range would be more appropriate for his ambitions without the Weapon), they were basically a glorified battery to Team Flare.

Sun and Moon by contrast make Sogaleo and Lunala more important to the overall story and Lillie's arc in particular, but considering how Divisive she is to fans and that the Ultra Beasts Lusamine has been obsessed with lacked presence until Looker shows up, I understand if you think Sun and Moon falls into the same trap.
 
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