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Generation IV Remake Speculation

Will there be remakes in Gen VIII?


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ORAS trimmed a lot of "useless fat" from Gen 3, a lot of things with no use in the new games like: berry blender game, Desert Underpass, Altering Cave, Sand Castle in the desert, etc. All those are pretty useless now, so there was no point in losing time to remake them. Instead, they COMPLETELY remade Mauville, added many small locations like Mirage Isles, etc. A whole storyline was added to Latios/Latias, a whole side plot has been given to contests, new npcs, a whole new concept like Primal Reversion, a whole post game Epidode, a brand new Battle Island, 20 new Megas, etc. A lot more was adeed, but people are whining about the exclusion of the berry blender. Trainer's Hill was substituted with Mauville Court, Gym leader rematches was substituted by Type Specialist rematches, and Secret Base rematches were added too. It's not like ORAS had a smaller content than Emerald...

Not all of that is useless fat, Desert Underpass would work as a place to find fossils, and they didn't really replace the Safari Zone Expansion and the game could've used the extra Pokemon (there should've been at least 500-550 Pokemon in the game). And Type Specialist rematches and the Battle Resort don't really replace gym leader rematches or the Battle Frontier. Regardless, simply keeping the same amount of content as Emerald isn't a good approach, ORAS needed more than Emerald. At the very least, they need to add in more post game areas, but the Mirage Spots don't really satisfy that well. And if they're not going to include the Battle Frontier, there should be at least some kind of side feature that unlocks post game.
 
ORAS trimmed a lot of "useless fat" from Gen 3, a lot of things with no use in the new games like: berry blender game, Desert Underpass, Altering Cave, Sand Castle in the desert, etc. All those are pretty useless now, so there was no point in losing time to remake them. Instead, they COMPLETELY remade Mauville, added many small locations like Mirage Isles, etc. A whole storyline was added to Latios/Latias, a whole side plot has been given to contests, new npcs, a whole new concept like Primal Reversion, a whole post game Epidode, a brand new Battle Island, 20 new Megas, etc. A lot more was adeed, but people are whining about the exclusion of the berry blender. Trainer's Hill was substituted with Mauville Court, Gym leader rematches was substituted by Type Specialist rematches, and Secret Base rematches were added too. It's not like ORAS had a smaller content than Emerald...

It's just fans are like dogs. You give them a dog- toy to play with. Then you try to take it from them, to give them something better instead, and they bark at you, because they don't want to let go of the old, already chewed toy. I mean, that's completely logical: people want the NEWLY added content, AND the old content from Gen 3. But the reality is, GF don't want to waste too much time with Remakes. They can't take the same amount of time for remakes and new games. They could've gone the easy way, and just make an Emerald port without any new features, without a new Mauville city, without a Delta, but with the Frontier, etc and people wouldn't have criticized them. They just decided to take the difficult way and surprise fans with many new features, at the cost of some gen III features that they considered boring, taken from the games.

In HGSS they barely added new stuff, so they kept a lot more old stuff to compensate that lack of new features. In ORAS they added SO MANY new things (for a remake) that they deleted some pointless old stuff, to compensate. It only makes sense. But it seems people prefer to have less NEW stuff, but to not have the old stuff taken from their games. That actually makes sense. But please, don't say ORAS has less content. It just has less old features... because it has, much more NEW features.

PD Gen I remakes had a WHOLE region added. But the originals were so tiny, the addition was obligated.

So, which way will they take with Shinnoh remakes? I think they will take the ORway, but seeing how fans don't appreciate their intention to innovate and surprise us, they might go the HGSS way.

First of: none of the stuff such as Desert Underpass was useless. Those were great features and better than the stuff from ORAS.
Second: If Game Freak doesn't like to spend time on the remakes, then they are lazy.
Third: HGSS had introduce and included new things. Kanto birds, Mewtwo, Hoenn legends, Hoenn and Sinnoh pokemon, Pokeathlon, Safari Zone, Gym leader rematches, etc.
Fourth: ORAS has a number of features but many are useless. Soaring was taken from Ranger 3 which is a bit of a rip-off.
Fifth: Sinnoh remakes should not take ORAS style. We want good remakes, not ones that excluded third version stuff and ripped off things like flying on Latias/Latios.
Sixth: Delta Episode was an awful post game which served no purpose other than giving us Deoxys.
Seventh: I take gym leader rematches over the type specialists any day. Those type specialists had no purpose and use only 4 pokemon.
Eighth: The Battle Resort wasn't that great. It had a copy and past Battle Maison, Camerupt and Sharpedo which you can get by evolution anyway and trainers that should have used six pokemon instead of four.

In conclusion: I want the Sinnoh remakes to stay away from the ORAS approach and give us back the remakes that we deserve. Gym leader rematches should be included, Distortion should also be available and a few more things from Platnium.
 
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Seafoam Islands was a dopey little cave in GSC, but the remake practically gave it a full makeover. Complete with Articuno and Blaine getting an actual Gym. They made more out of the Unknown Dungeon, the Trainer House, and the Safari Zone too. And these are all things that could've easily been left out in the same way that ORAS trimmed the game down.

I'd want see a similar direction with Sinnoh considering all that it had to offer and how much it still holds up (at least to me). Maintain the original games and build upon them. All new content is great for a remake too, but at the same time it puts a damper on the nostalgic experience when you remove or neglect a-lot of past elements.

I dread that it'd hurt Sinnoh even more than Hoenn...Especially cutting out dungeons. All those side areas is really part of what makes exploring Sinnoh, and even level grinding there because of the options you have for it along the way.

Urgh, this again? Could y'all please stop dragging this into an ORAS vs HGSS cockfight? I don't give a flying fudge over whether you guys think ORAS was good or not, especially when the thread has next to nothing to do with it.

Well it somewhat does, because those games set expectations for the future remakes. And they provide a sort of "template" for what people want to see. Then come the disagreements about which direction should be taken with Sinnoh.
 
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My two main concerns would be: (1) preserving as many elements from Platinum as possible and (2) keeping the exploration elements and hopefully adding to them. I can't say I have a lot of faith in the former happening: our only precedent is ORAS, where they ignored Emerald completely. The latter seems a bit more likely, simply because they've never been willing to cut content from the originals before. But the battle zone is quite large and only ever accessed by a very few players, so it would be the first to go if development time runs low.

Oh and it would cool if we got another event legendary un-evented. Preferably Darkrai, since it never made sense to me that all the context was there, except for the ability to catch the damn thing.
 
I dread the prospect of them cutting the Battle Zone, that would drastically reduce the post game content in the game which is one of Sinnoh's major strengths. If they did that, the fanbase would completely implode and I could see a lot of people quitting the series. I would definitely lose any respect I have for Game Freak if that's how Sinnoh remakes turn out.
 
In HGSS they barely added new stuff, so they kept a lot more old stuff to compensate that lack of new features. In ORAS they added SO MANY new things (for a remake) that they deleted some pointless old stuff. It only makes sense. But it seems people prefer to have less NEW stuff, but to not have the old stuff taken from their games. That actually makes sense. But please, don't say ORAS has less content. It just has less old features... because it has, much more NEW features.
yeah...............no.

Content added by HGSS:
  • Pokéthlon
  • Mt. Silver Expansion
  • Routes 47 and 48
  • Re-addition of the Safari Zone
  • Restoration of Viridian Forest and Seafoam Islands
  • Battle Frontier
  • GB Sounds
  • Nature bonuses displayed
  • Kanto trainer rematches
  • Photo spots
  • Substantial plot changes and region redesign
  • Gym leader rematches
  • Apriblending
  • Pokemon following behind

Content added by ORAS:
  • Delta Episode
  • Mirage Spots
  • PokeNav Plus
  • Soaring
  • Cosplay Pikachu
  • Primal Reversion
  • Battle Resort
  • PokémonAmie
  • Super Training

these lists exclude "series staples," or features that were not present in the original but are now considered "standard" in a game and consequently were added because they must appear in future games. it also excludes Wi-Fi features. an example of this would be Running Shoes in HGSS and Mega Evolution in ORAS. of course, the amount of content added isn't the most important thing ever if the remake fails to address issues from its source. and that's the problem with ORAS: it failed to fix any of the problems that it inherited from Ruby and Sapphire. HGSS may not have fixed all of GSC's problems, but it made a solid effort at doing so.

Yeah, your list squeezes every little thingy from HGSS, but lots of important things like Secret Base expansions and Contest expansions, completely expanded Mauville, New Mauville, etc you leave out of your ORAS list. And you are trying to tell us Soaring and photo spots are the same in importance. Don't treat people like they are newby fans, man...
ORAS did MUCH more to improve its original source, and HGSS did almost nothing to improve it's original source. It did NOTHING with its box Pokemon, while ORAS enhanced them completely. There are so many examples that I could go on and on about it. Everything in which HGSS beats ORAS are things from the original games , not the remakes. And a BF copy pasted from Platinum. Which it gets because it happened to come after a third game, while ORAS came after XY...

And please, you count Mt Silver expansion for Johto remakes, but you don't count MAUVILLE EXPANSION for ORAS? No comment.

ORAS added much more original stuff, no matter how much you want to desguise that.

Anyway, the debate has become annoying so Im stopping it here.
 
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Yeah, your list squeezes every little thingy from HGSS, but lots of important things like Secret Base expansions and Contest expansions, completely expanded Mauville, New Mauville, etc you leave out of your ORAS list. And you are trying to tell us Soaring and photo spots are the same in importance. Don't treat people like they are newby fans, man...
ORAS did MUCH more to improve its original source, and HGSS did almost nothing to improve it's original source. It did NOTHING with its box Pokemon, while ORAS enhanced them completely. There are so many examples that I could go on and on about it. Everything in which HGSS beats ORAS are things from the original games , not the remakes. And a BF copy pasted from Platinum. Which it gets because it happened to come after a third game, while ORAS came after XY...

And please, you count Mt Silver expansion for Johto remakes, but you don't count MAUVILLE EXPANSION for ORAS? No comment.

ORAS added much more original stuff, no matter how much you want to desguise that.

Anyway, the debate has become annoying so Im stopping it here.

HGSS did more than ORAS ever done. Most of the original stuff of ORAS that was introduced was useless and pointless. Sinnoh remakes should not suffered the same fate as ORAS. HGSS remains the best pair of remakes to date and with the best amount of features and post game. Gym leaders of Sinnoh should use their Platinum teams since the pokedex of Platinum gives them more option. They fail to do so for ORAS. I would like to see the double battle against Volkner and Flint again despite the Battle Frontier being unlikely to return.
 
Yeah, your list squeezes every little thingy from HGSS, but lots of important things like Secret Base expansions and Contest expansions, completely expanded Mauville, New Mauville, etc you leave out of your ORAS list. And you are trying to tell us Soaring and photo spots are the same in importance. Don't treat people like they are newby fans, man...
ORAS did MUCH more to improve its original source, and HGSS did almost nothing to improve it's original source. It did NOTHING with its box Pokemon, while ORAS enhanced them completely. There are so many examples that I could go on and on about it. Everything in which HGSS beats ORAS are things from the original games , not the remakes. And a BF copy pasted from Platinum. Which it gets because it happened to come after a third game, while ORAS came after XY...

And please, you count Mt Silver expansion for Johto remakes, but you don't count MAUVILLE EXPANSION for ORAS? No comment.

ORAS added much more original stuff, no matter how much you want to desguise that.

Anyway, the debate has become annoying so Im stopping it here.

HGSS did more than ORAS ever done. Most of the original stuff of ORAS that was introduced was useless and pointless. Sinnoh remakes should not suffered the same fate as ORAS. HGSS remains the best pair of remakes to date and with the best amount of features and post game. Gym leaders of Sinnoh should use their Platinum teams since the pokedex of Platinum gives them more option. They fail to do so for ORAS. I would like to see the double battle against Volkner and Flint again despite the Battle Frontier being unlikely to return.

ORAS did more than Johto remakes ever done. Most of the original stuff of HGSS that was introduced was useless and pointless. Sinnoh remakes should not suffered the same fate as Johto remakes. ORAS remains the best pair of remakes to date and with the best amount of features and post game. That´s what happens when I change the game names and use the same annoying and forceful type of answering a post that you always use.
 
I'd like to see a hybrid approach frankly, including the extra content of HGSS and the story and Mega improvements of ORAS.
 
I'd like to see a hybrid approach frankly, including the extra content of HGSS and the story and Mega improvements of ORAS.

Agreed. ORAS are better at introducing cool new changes and original new features and they flesh out thei region and lore more, and HGSS are better at not holding features back (like Gym rebattles held back from ORAS for no reason). A mix would be the best remake. Also,both games have a great art style.

In short, HGSS offer more of what fans want and expect from a remake, and ORAS offer more of what fans actually don´t expect in a remake, and are pleasantly surprised from said features.
 
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I'd like to see a hybrid approach frankly, including the extra content of HGSS and the story and Mega improvements of ORAS.

A hybrid would be really good! HGSS got a lot of points for nostalgia, but at the same time never felt like "new" games: just same-old, same-old. ORAS did a great job of bringing in new stuff, and felt fresh and fun to play! I never liked the BF, so I don't miss that, but I do miss some of the Emerald characters.

Something in the middle would be great!
 
I'd like to see a hybrid approach frankly, including the extra content of HGSS and the story and Mega improvements of ORAS.

A hybrid would be really good! HGSS got a lot of points for nostalgia, but at the same time never felt like "new" games: just same-old, same-old. ORAS did a great job of bringing in new stuff, and felt fresh and fun to play! I never liked the BF, so I don't miss that, but I do miss some of the Emerald characters.

Something in the middle would be great!

Finally an opinion I can relate to!

HGSS was more fateful to Gen II and more strict about including everything from gen II, while ORAS felt more fresh and unique, at the cost of being a bit less fateful to gen III, but going a bit further fleshing out Hoenn andfixing the few issues Gen III Hoenn had.
 
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ORAS did more than Johto remakes ever done. Most of the original stuff of HGSS that was introduced was useless and pointless. Sinnoh remakes should not suffered the same fate as Johto remakes. ORAS remains the best pair of remakes to date and with the best amount of features and post game. That´s what happens when I change the game names and use the same annoying and forceful type of answering a post that you always use.

No they didn't. HGSS features were better and had more purpose than ORAS. Sinnoh should stick to HGSS way because HGSS included Crystal elements while ORAS contained nothing from Emerald. HGSS are the best remakes to date and ORAS are the worst. HGSS had the best post game and amount of features. What you just reply to me is immature and arrogant. I have been playing the games for quite some time and I know what makes a good remakes. If DP remakes go the same as ORAS, then Game Freak clearly has doesn't care about the fans and should stop making remakes.

Sinnoh remakes should include:
Gym leader rematches
Distortion World
Post game involving Giratina and possibly Arceus
Move tutors
Double Battle against Volkner and Flint
Pokedex should be the expanded one from Platinum.
 
ORAS did more than Johto remakes ever done. Most of the original stuff of HGSS that was introduced was useless and pointless. Sinnoh remakes should not suffered the same fate as Johto remakes. ORAS remains the best pair of remakes to date and with the best amount of features and post game. That´s what happens when I change the game names and use the same annoying and forceful type of answering a post that you always use.

No they didn't. HGSS features were better and had more purpose than ORAS. Sinnoh should stick to HGSS way because HGSS included Crystal elements while ORAS contained nothing from Emerald. HGSS are the best remakes to date and ORAS are the worst. HGSS had the best post game and amount of features. What you just reply to me is immature and arrogant. I have been playing the games for quite some time and I know what makes a good remakes. If DP remakes go the same as ORAS, then Game Freak clearly has doesn't care about the fans and should stop making remakes.

Sinnoh remakes should include:
Gym leader rematches
Distortion World
Post game involving Giratina and possibly Arceus
Move tutors
Double Battle against Volkner and Flint
Pokedex should be the expanded one from Platinum.

Since you have proven to be completely unreasonable, this is the only way you can be handled: your own way.

So: ORAS are the best remakes, because they innovate. HGSS are boring and don´t fix anything. And this is a fact, not an opinion (actually, it is an opinion).
 
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Since you have proven to be completely unreasonable, this is the only way you can be handled: your own way.

So: ORAS are the best remakes, because they innovate. HGSS are boring and don´t fix anything. Andthis is a fact, not an opinion. (actually, it is an opinion, but you know, Alex style rulez).

I am not being unreasonable. HGSS are not boring games and ORAS have been rushed with nothing from Emerald. I never stated any of my opinions as fact but you have doing that. I have no rules nor state that I have any. I am allow to express my opinion on the matter. How could Game Freak remake Ruby and Sapphire but left out all Emerald elements in the process? HGSS had the Suicune event from Crystal. It shouldn't have been difficult to include gym leader rematches or Battle Frontier. That's why I want DP remakes to follow HGSS example of containing some stuff from Pokemon Platinum.
 
Since you have proven to be completely unreasonable, this is the only way you can be handled: your own way.

So: ORAS are the best remakes, because they innovate. HGSS are boring and don´t fix anything. Andthis is a fact, not an opinion. (actually, it is an opinion, but you know, Alex style rulez).

I am not being unreasonable. HGSS are not boring games and ORAS have been rushed with nothing from Emerald. I never stated any of my opinions as fact but you have doing that. I have no rules nor state that I have any. I am allow to express my opinion on the matter. How could Game Freak remake Ruby and Sapphire but left out all Emerald elements in the process? HGSS had the Suicune event from Crystal. It shouldn't have been difficult to include gym leader rematches or Battle Frontier. That's why I want DP remakes to follow HGSS example of containing some stuff from Pokemon Platinum.

It´s not ORAS. It is general. You give your opinions as if they are objective facts, and you NEVER even consider other people´s opinions! You say ORAS are shit, XY are great, New Zealand is a horrible place that must not become a Pokemon region ever, Pokemon GO is a horrible idea, etc.

The point is, you never discuss your opinions. You present them like facts, and you constantly repeat them even when somebody tells you he disagrees with you.
 
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It´s not ORAS. You give your opinions as if they are objective facts, andyou NEVER even consider other people´s opinions! You say ORAS are shit, XY are great, New Zealand isahorrible place that must not become a Pokemon region ever, Pokemon GO is a horrible idea...
The point is, you never discuss your opinions. You present them like facts.

That wasn't my attention. However, I will stopping this argument over ORAS. ORAS did had some nice features which I would admit to but I wish there was at least some Emerald elements in it. I would always like HGSS because of Eusine and Suicune thing but ORAS did allow me to revisit Hoenn since I no longer own the original Hoenn games. If DP remakes come, I would want them to at least include some Platinum elements along the new features that would be introduced.
 
It´s not ORAS. You give your opinions as if they are objective facts, andyou NEVER even consider other people´s opinions! You say ORAS are shit, XY are great, New Zealand isahorrible place that must not become a Pokemon region ever, Pokemon GO is a horrible idea...
The point is, you never discuss your opinions. You present them like facts.

That wasn't my attention. However, I will stopping this argument over ORAS. ORAS did had some nice features which I would admit to but I wish there was at least some Emerald elements in it. I would always like HGSS because of Eusine and Suicune thing but ORAS did allow me to revisit Hoenn since I no longer own the original Hoenn games. If DP remakes come, I would want them to at least include some Platinum elements along the new features that would be introduced.

Finally! I achieved to make you discuss an opinion. It wasn´t that hard, was it?

Yes, both games are good at different things, and we are free to prefer whichever game we choose, or like both. I definitely prefer ORAS but they are not perfect either, and would have benefited from some more Emerald elements, just like HGSS would have benefited from some more innovation.

Anyway, this debate is pointless, so we should stop it here, and discuss games in a more constructive, and less critical way.
 
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One of the questions I'm most curious about at this point in time, and dying to get the answer to, is if Gamefreak will make a remake of a remake, or bypass them and only remake games that have been made once.

If "Temporal Diamond" and "Spacial Pearl" are announced after X/7th gen and we hear no peep about Fire Red/Leaf Green remakes, then I'm confident in asserting that they are very unlikely to happen full stop. I just feel like, at least going with the current chronology, the 3rd gen remakes should be next in the queue for ANOTHER remake before we get to return to Sinnoh in 3D...much as I'd prefer going back to Sinnoh, to be perfectly honest. (Unless they can do something new and revolutionary with Kanto.)

Things is, if they do announce remakes of those 3rd gen games...that means Gamefreak are officially making remakes of remakes, and then it becomes logical to assume that Johto's time may come around again! I have a soft spot a mile wide for Johto, so I can't say I'd be sorry to see the Kimono girls dancing in 3D...ah...~
 
One of the questions I'm most curious about at this point in time, and dying to get the answer to, is if Gamefreak will make a remake of a remake, or bypass them and only remake games that have been made once.

If "Temporal Diamond" and "Spacial Pearl" are announced after X/7th gen and we hear no peep about Fire Red/Leaf Green remakes, then I'm confident in asserting that they are very unlikely to happen full stop. I just feel like, at least going with the current chronology, the 3rd gen remakes should be next in the queue for ANOTHER remake before we get to return to Sinnoh in 3D...much as I'd prefer going back to Sinnoh, to be perfectly honest. (Unless they can do something new and revolutionary with Kanto.)

Things is, if they do announce remakes of those 3rd gen games...that means Gamefreak are officially making remakes of remakes, and then it becomes logical to assume that Johto's time may come around again! I have a soft spot a mile wide for Johto, so I can't say I'd be sorry to see the Kimono girls dancing in 3D...ah...~

I'm curious as to what they'll do here, because they can't continue to create remakes ad infinitum. There has to be an end point somewhere. If we see remakes of Ruby/Sapphire and Fire Red/Leaf Green in Gen VI, then logically in Gen VII we should see remakes of not only Diamond and Pearl, but Heart Gold/Soul Silver as well. If the pattern holds, by the time we hit Gens IX or X they'll be needing to remake three generations worth of games in a single generation cycle. (Remakes of Kanto, Hoenn and Kalos all at once would be beyond ridiculous.) At some point, it has to stop.

At the moment, Sinnoh and Johto (and by extension, Kanto) can still all be played using current generation hardware. The wifi services on them may be discontinued, but the games themselves still work and the Pokemon caught there can still be transferred. I doubt we'll see remakes of these games on any hardware which retains backward compatibility with DS games. Even if backward compatibility were to be lost, the cycle of remakes has to have a line drawn somewhere. Remakes of remakes are where I'd draw it at. (And I speak as a huge Gen II fan who was a little disappointed with HG/SS... but I can't justify doing the same Johto story again no matter how much I love it and can see the potential there .)

If there is to be another Kanto remake, I'd like it to be a complete re-imagining and expansion of the game. Perhaps along the lines of a combined 16-badge region starting in Kanto and extending through Johto as part of the main game, with a totally new, in-depth Team Rocket plot. Tie in some loose lore threads in the form of the Unknown, Mew and Mewtwo along the way and let us unravel some of the long-held mysteries of the Pokemon universe. Take the core focus away from the gym quest and place the emphasis on story, discovery, and solving mysteries in order to stop the big bad. Totally shake up the stale old formula we've been playing for 20 years. The gyms would still be there, but they could be an optional challenge for once, only done if the player wants to become Champion and not forced upon us in order to complete the plot. Hell, make the Elite Four and the Champion post game material!

Basically, if they take us back to Kanto again, they ought to make it totally different and absolutely epic.
 
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